KainXVIII
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Well, Grim Fandango make a bad trend.
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Grandia 2 Anniversary Edition on August 24, $20 (25% off sale at launch)
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Well, Grim Fandango make a bad trend.
That's because it had prerendered backgrounds. You would have to crop to do widescreen on those.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Does it really matter? That's its original presentation. Changing the aspect ratio either means showing less of each scene or ending up with a bunch of places not designed for 16:9 breaking. Especially in this game with a bunch of 4:3 FMVs used for special effects.
Man, I hope you enjoyed it. One of the best main themes ever
Both Grim Fandango and this were both standard ratio (Well, let's call it "90's standard" now hahahahah). A lot of pre-rendered stuff means either cropping (no), pillarboxing (no) or stretching (hell no) to fit a wide ratio. I guess if they really wanted to they could have had some kind of fancy graphic to fill out the sides every time the game needed to go 4:3 (which is about half of it, including the Skill FMVs in combat)
edit: beaten re: above
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Why. WHY. WHY IS THIS EVEN AN OPTION
Might as well put a checkbox labelled "Would you like cancer?"
Deft Beck
Member
Yikes. That's bad enough to put me off for a while.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
So, hard mode is just monster's HP increased by 20%, you can potentially miss out on coins, the frame rate is locked to 30fps and it is indeed 4:3 only.
Well, at least its dual audio and I no longer have to dig out my DC anymore.
Basileus777
Member
No support for higher than 1080p resolutions? Ugh.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's still to be confirmed I guess. I mean, unless they used DSR/VSR or beyond 1080p monitor.
So, hard mode is just monster's HP increased by 20%, you can potentially miss out on coins, the frame rate is locked to 30fps and it is indeed 4:3 only.
Well, at least its dual audio and I no longer have to dig out my DC anymore.
Heh, at least on PC there's a chance of it being fixed. Can't say the same for PS2 version. (Yikes!)
texhnolyze
Banned
My hype has deflated immensely.
Too bad. It seems that it's just a re-release and not a remaster/HD version. They don't even call the game a remaster/HD.
Diablohead
Member
So, hard mode is just monster's HP increased by 20%, you can potentially miss out on coins, the frame rate is locked to 30fps and it is indeed 4:3 only.
Well, at least its dual audio and I no longer have to dig out my DC anymore.
Personally after hearing that i'd prefer to stick with the DC version over VGA, I wonder if some modders out there can find a way to force 16:9
This is a downer, especially when there's been a hard mode hack on the internet for ages that significantly rebalances the game.
Yeah, when I noticed that some time ago, it triggered some alarms
FullmetalPain
Banned
texhnolyze
Banned
Even some emulators nowadays have HD textures for certain games' HUD and fonts.
Valkyria Chronicles had some HD UI elements rebuilt (by fans) from the ground up within weeks of release. (Thanks Durante!)
IronicSonic
Member
Laptop gaming here and this looks like a no no, despite my initial hype. Maybe I need to stick my dreamcast's original
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
locked 30fps? and Hard mode is just enemies with 20% more health?
I haven't played Grandia II, is the game hard at all in "normal"?
I haven't played Grandia II, is the game hard at all in "normal"?
Wait so hard mode just raises the enemy HP? That's like the one thing that wasn't an issue previously.
dont we all play games for the gameplay?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Disappointing, I really like to be challenged with almost any game.
Will wait for more impressions, but it seems like I'll buy it later and not day one.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
Thats the only thing I'm a bit sad about too, it just doesn't look right...
Oh well, I haven't played this since the year it got released, so still looking forward to it
And that money glitch doesn't seem to be something thats hard to fix
It's a sample size of one laptop, I would wait for impressions and look how it runs after the game is out, maybe it's just a problem with his specific laptop
So, hard mode is just monster's HP increased by 20%, you can potentially miss out on coins, the frame rate is locked to 30fps and it is indeed 4:3 only.
Well, at least its dual audio and I no longer have to dig out my DC anymore.
Doesn't original dreamcast game run at 60 fps?
So, hard mode is just monster's HP increased by 20%, you can potentially miss out on coins, the frame rate is locked to 30fps and it is indeed 4:3 only.
Well, at least its dual audio and I no longer have to dig out my DC anymore.
I really wanted to grab this, since I've been playing through Grandia 1 on my PSTV, and I love the fuck out of Grandia.
But I think I'll wait and see if GAF or someone fixes this mess.
This is bullshit, fuck that I'll not support a lazy +20% HP mode, this game was WAY TOO EASY !!!! This is not going to make the game any harder....No way this is only that ?!? Not def, str boost ??? Nothing else...
They lost a sale....
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
It's not a mess, It's the original specs of the game. Not every game can just be made widescreen without problems
CrunchyFrog
Member
Chill out, being on PC I'm sure someone out there will make a proper hard mode mod in due time.
So, it is a bad port in most ways that ports can be bad, but it has a hard mode... which changes almost nothing?
I think I'll have to wait for some mods and/or clarification of the Hard mode.
Is there anything wrong with the old PC version of the game? Is the balance mod good for that?
I think I'll have to wait for some mods and/or clarification of the Hard mode.
Is there anything wrong with the old PC version of the game? Is the balance mod good for that?
Getting New Bugs like the Coin thing is certainly a mess. Between that, the wimpy "hard mode", and still being 4:3 I have no reason to buy the game on yet another platform. I might as well just play my PS2 version.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
It doesn't look like it's even on the Steam Store yet.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Durante, pls
PS2 version itself is filled with problems, though. With this one running at higher resolutions + being based on dreamcast version it's still the best version. Specially of some modders put a bit of work on it.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
That this version does not have enough new stuff to justify a new purchase from you is fair game, but I still wouldn't call a version that is better than the PS2 version in every other way a mess just because of one easy to fix bug, which may be also already fixed when the game releases today, so lets just wait
PumpkinSpice
Banned
I'm still going to get this. Pretty much what I expected with a minor glitch that I assume will get patched. Right now the only way to play a good version of Grandia 2 is to have a Dreamcast. This is significantly better than the other ports, is easily available for purchase, and runs on modern hardware. Oh and hey higher resolutions, yay.
People just complain about everything with PC releases these days. How long until someone comes in with fov slider complaints?
People just complain about everything with PC releases these days. How long until someone comes in with fov slider complaints?
This is the PC thread, buy it on PC if you love it so much, I am sure it will run on a toaster.
Second time I'm bringing up Valkyria Chronicles PC in this thread but yeah
Old PC version and PS2 versions were a mess. The old PC version would outright crash on some skills due to shenanigans with the FMV.
I can't say what this port is like, but the fact that it's based off the Dreamcast version and is advertised as such is already a good sign. (We'll see, etc)
People in this thread saying they're better off playing the old PC port or PS2 version is typical internet hyperbole. Maybe that's true, but it's too early to tell, and many of the problems of those two versions aren't related to visual specifications.
It's only a funny joke till it happens...
Anyone remember? Many games were 60fps on the Dreamcast, but I can't remember if Grandia 2 was one of them. If it was 60fps in the original and 30fps here that would be a dealbreaker to me.
Diablohead
Member
The last time I tried to run grandia 2 on Reicast on my ouya I tried the forced widescreen option and it worked fine, some menu stuff was cut off but the overworld and battles were fully 16:9 visually.
I hate to use the word lazy but this port sounds like it was just done without much thought put into it.
The RPG Site piece is mine, actually. I can answer some questions if you have them. I should mention I'm no PC guru or anything like that.
But right, gist of it is that I was surprised my laptop, which can play early HD-era games pretty readily, struggled with this at 720p or higher. The game is 4:3, 30fps, no support for Nvidia DSR for resolutions above 1080p.
It's mostly a sharpened port but it mostly works well (on a GTX 780) otherwise. As someone who played the PS2 version a few years ago, it's much, much better than that. No chugging every time the camera pans around a city for each new place you visit.
The glitch I encountered was amusing, but I figure it can be fixed.
I'll post a short video or two (including that amusing glitch) probably today sometime.
But right, gist of it is that I was surprised my laptop, which can play early HD-era games pretty readily, struggled with this at 720p or higher. The game is 4:3, 30fps, no support for Nvidia DSR for resolutions above 1080p.
It's mostly a sharpened port but it mostly works well (on a GTX 780) otherwise. As someone who played the PS2 version a few years ago, it's much, much better than that. No chugging every time the camera pans around a city for each new place you visit.
The glitch I encountered was amusing, but I figure it can be fixed.
I'll post a short video or two (including that amusing glitch) probably today sometime.
I'd already made it 30 hours through a couple of other times before this one so I actually got a little burnt out this time by the end.
Loved that theme but couldn't understand why it sounds like something from the 70s/early 80s.
Seems like this port isn't ideal but might give it a go anyway if it ever comes up on the store. I've played most of Grandia 2 on PS2, think it's time I finished it.