Gordon Shumway
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24 Questions Black People Have For White People
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So in the old X Men (or was it Spider-Man, can't remember they crossed over so much) cartoon they made Blade a white guy because they were worried his figure wouldn't sell if he were black.
John Kowalski
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are you a sith
User 73706
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I'm actually a hyper-quantum left-leaning pansexual SJW think tank that accidentally intercepts transmissions from Bernie Sanders supporters on occasion
Deified Data
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Hashtags aside, is "some white people" the other "extreme" you're referring to?
Mohonky
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Well you seem to think #notallwhitepeople is some troll or something, so you're infering that either its the majority or all.
Hint; people dont like being stereotyped or profiled. If I'm not mistaken, this is an issue the African American community is fighting against, so you're kind of surprised that people of other races don't like it either?
Manmademan
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I'm sure africans have more than a few bones to pick with europeans, but that's a different discussion.
Shhhh, please don't speak logically. Your white feelings and white tears are not welcome on this board.
What country do you live in where racism never happens? I need to catch a flight there ASAP.
User 73706
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ftfy
NoblesseOblige
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I ain't watching a three minute video to answer 24 questions. Why are they not just written out?
Edit: Or are they not meant to actually be answered? I'm at work so I don't actually have sound to listen to any of them. I would still like to at least read them though.
Edit: Or are they not meant to actually be answered? I'm at work so I don't actually have sound to listen to any of them. I would still like to at least read them though.
Hey, let's not talk about those sorts of non-racist traditions in this thread
Most likely. I just couldn't answer any of the questions the video was asking me, since none of it is relative (at least, I hope not). Talking about wanting to use the N word, privilege, the worth of an animal over a person, Idris Elba playing Bond (awesome!), being uncomfortable on the topic of race, etc.
Hey, now. I never - and would never - claim that. Ireland, by the way. There is plenty of racism here, but then idiots are everywhere.
The fact that so many people miss the point of the video, bypassing the humor and irony and stupidity of all of it... really means that this discussion will not be over anytime soon.
Nobody wants to be considered "lumped in" with a group because of the actions of the ignorant or stupid. Even if it doesn't apply to us, we still are bothered when it could be SLIGHTLY perceived that we all could be the same.
This video/list is meant to ruffle feathers, creating awareness through trolling and satire, but it clearly doesn't feel aimed at those of us who aren't guilty of doing such mindless, annoying things described in the video.
The entire (ignorant) tone is to generalize and stereotype "white people", probably so we can share in the experience and move forward from it. When stuff bothers me, even after I react negatively, I reflect and learn something.
Seems like one of the last potent methods of getting the point across in our era.
Nobody wants to be considered "lumped in" with a group because of the actions of the ignorant or stupid. Even if it doesn't apply to us, we still are bothered when it could be SLIGHTLY perceived that we all could be the same.
This video/list is meant to ruffle feathers, creating awareness through trolling and satire, but it clearly doesn't feel aimed at those of us who aren't guilty of doing such mindless, annoying things described in the video.
The entire (ignorant) tone is to generalize and stereotype "white people", probably so we can share in the experience and move forward from it. When stuff bothers me, even after I react negatively, I reflect and learn something.
Seems like one of the last potent methods of getting the point across in our era.
am english, have friends who don't want idris elba to play bond because 'bond isn't black'
Yaphett Kotto
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No, its people not understanding/dodging the point of the video and what it is actually doing. Its a simple awareness/reflection video that puts certain black issues in the spotlight (with a sprinkle of goofy ones). Generalizations go without saying, but some people still have the urge to wag their fingers and tell us how its not everyone.
Or they hear some of the dumb questions like the dog one and get all hurt from some harmless shit.
and lol at being profiled over a video
Imagine if it was this JLA that was on screen
Batman's the only dude in that picture who wasn't turned into a minority. I guess depicting a billionaire as anything other than a white man was too unrealistic for that writer.
SneakyStephan
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The irony is that you always act like an open minded progressive in the US black people related threads , and then out yourself as a xenophobe in EU/uk immigration related threads or romani related ones.
It's culturally acceptable to shit on gypsies and to treat EU immigrants like undesirables and others so that's where you show your true colors.
It's funny but I always think of Idris Elba as an 'I can only think of one black actor that I take seriously in a suit' answer. It's just lazy.
I'm not pretending to be an open minded progressive (relative to this nuthouse anyway). I'm just able to recognise that culture is as important as skin colour which is why the American definition of 'white people' is hilariously specific and yet promoted as all encompassing. At the same time, my views are too nuanced for blanket xenophobia, even if I openly dislike the cultures and trappings of certain immigrant groups.
I'm still not really getting irony from any of it though.
it's also because black people are rather under-represented in the thesp trade
Even so, David Oyelowo and Chiwetel Ejiofor are both widely known and far better choices.
More than that, it is a process in which the context of a culture is being modified. Traditional African hairstyles, for example, have been considered unprofessional in corporate settings for decades. Twerking and minority women with large butts have been derided and shamed for years.
So it stings when these subjects - which have been used against minorities by society for years - are incorporated by the mainstream and then celebrated and profited from.
Even further, certain subjects are attributable to a specific culture; they are cultivated and maintained by these people. And when this culture is already niche, it comes off as a caricature when it is adopted by the mainstream, which generally add nothing to the culture in and of itself.
I've watched all of the Bond movies multiple times and would like to see a black Bond. A black Bond would introduce a whole new set of dynamics to the Bond character. The movie could be far more interesting.
BlackBanditSho
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I come to this thread to relax. I mostly lurk and post every so often because I'm so much older - and possibly angrier - than most of the guys in here. Main OT and GAMING gets me so annoyed sometimes, that it's nice to come here to watch the fellas joke about bullshit like chicken, anime, gaming, and whatever else seems topical. Besides, Slayven, Angelus, or any of the numerous other cool-headed brothers drop counter-argument zingers on the regular, so all is well.
Was gonna continue lurking but that last line got me. The Black Community thread has been the MOST embracing thread I've seen on this GAF. It's definitely multi-cultural and refuses to take the mean jabs at people that most of the threads in OT seem to. Folks just come in here, shake their heads, code-switch a little to relax, then brush shit off their shoulders with Naruto jokes. Life is hard as HELL out there, so BlackGAF is just a safe place to be easy.
Dudes like SmokeyDave come in here, contribute to the conversation, and have fun. Nobody's alienated, and it's a real buzzkill to see read drive-by judgment posts like the one above. To be honest, BlackGAF keeps me from getting banned on the DAILY because if I type HALF of the stuff that I want to say when I read some of the bullshit on GAF Prime, my membership would've been revoked a LONG time ago.
I hope main GAF *is* reading BlackGAF....so people can see how it's entirely possible to respectfully talk to other people without taking shit personal, being inclusive, having a difference of opinions, and leaving with mutual respect.
Sorry for the heavy post, BlackGAF. It's too early in the morning...
EDIT - of course i posted this in the wrong thread. :/
David Oyelowo is actually James Bond
Kinda
http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ack-actor-james-bond-trigger-mortis-audiobook
Now that is a link to The Guardian there, SmokyDave so you might need to chant out 16 Hail Farage's after clicking it. Fair warning.
Kinda
http://www.theguardian.com/film/201...ack-actor-james-bond-trigger-mortis-audiobook
Now that is a link to The Guardian there, SmokyDave so you might need to chant out 16 Hail Farage's after clicking it. Fair warning.
stufte
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I wasn't referring to the BCT as a disaster. I think the BCT seems like a nice place to post in general, there's a sense of community that I'd love to participate in, but don't feel like I belong. I just think it's top tier sketch to talk shit about people in a separate thread instead of just engaging in the OT thread in earnest.
BlackBanditSho
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Yeah, kinda realized that after I hit post and saw that this linked to the 24 Questions thread. Sigh.
Back to lurking.
Dice
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Except when people don't get it, which is actually a lot of the intended audience, and then instead of having a good conversation, people come in with mocking, passive-aggressive, drive-by posts about all the fragile white people.
I know man, I called it years ago!
For what it's worth I can read The Guardian. It's just that my skin goes all sparkly and I start pouting like a sad florist.
That's at the heart of the disconnect, as I see it, when it comes to dicussing appropriation. What I've seen reinforced over and over is that appropriation would be rendered toothless if it wasn't an ugly reflection of double standards. Double standards rooted in racism, intolerance, and dismissive superiority. And white America should be called out on it. It's an effective mirror to shove in the face of people who wouldn't otherwise give something a second thought. But as I understand the true offense is what it's reflecting and not necessarily the act in and of itself. The only issue I see is the act in and of itself is treated with the same ferocity. That the individual or entity is just as culpable in the problem as the society that it's a reflection of. That's why those conversations get so heavily bogged down in the minute details of an incident when the larger ramifications are much more relevant and offensive. I see cultural appropriation as a jumping off point for discussing larger social attitudes, but a waste of time and energy to drill into the specifics of the person or entity(unless it's baldly aggregious). But who knows, maybe my reading is off-base but I would like to discuss it. I've attempted in the past and just been ignored but I guess that's just how it goes sometimes.
Well yeah, the bitterness directed towards white people as a whole does nothing but turn the conversation into more of an argument, which it shouldn't be. We all take offense to being called "over-sensitive" for standing up for our beliefs.
Lack of empathy on both sides leads to all of us being unwilling to compromise.
Coffee Dog
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I've seen this notion repeated throughout the thread, but what about saying "don't generalize me" means that you are trying to distract from the message of the video?
Do you think it is impossible to both dislike the title and agree with the video, as I have?
Allow me to introduce myself. Hi there! My name is jackal27. I am a white male. Booty is life.
I think this was a pretty good video. I hope the questions were written by the askers, because I really think that would be best. One question I've been asked by a black friend "Why do white people wear shorts when it's like 50 degrees outside!?" I never even thought about this, haha. That's why conversations like this one are so valuable. There are things we just accept about our culture and behavior (especially in a country where our race has been historically dominant) that need to be questioned. From the serious to the silly, it's good to have conversations like this.
User 73706
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You guys understand direct, 1:1 parallels can't be drawn between "both sides improving" because one of those sides has been aggressively, systematically subjugating the other for hundreds of years, right? While this is pointed at MRA nonsense, it's equally applicable to discussions on race. "Punching up," when push comes to shove, is seen (by morons) as a heinous act that ultimately belittles white people so much that, well, it's like we're not trying to get rid of racism in the first place!
Coffee Dog
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When did I ever make a direct, 1:1 parallel? That would be absolutely ridiculous and out of line.
Just pointing out that you dislike the generalizations present in the video title and premise doesn't mean that you're somehow trying to equate the struggles.
Edit: it feels like people are reacting to the reactions by aggressively strawmanning. I shouldn't have to begin every post with "when did I say that?" in a conversation that actually wants to be a conversation.
Dice
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If all you want to do is communicate a grievance and feel justified, you can do that however you want and trust in the historical reasons for you being justified no matter how well people understand it or not.
If you want to facilitate communication and understanding and develop allies, you need to consider the social effectiveness of your methodology because people aren't going to turn miracles against the nature of language and learning just because it seems more fair to you.
I talked about this in another thread and as I have said in here, I think this applies equally to other big civil debates. People often only consider how right they are as if that is all they need to win people over rather than considering what their end goals are and how to most effectively progress toward them.
Gotdatmoney
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I honestly will never understand the whole concept of "both sides". It completely understandable that minorities are annoyed of being disadvantaged and stereotyped over and over and yet if they want even a shred of a chance of surviving in the world at large "We have to bite our tongues constantly". Even still, I have never imteracted with any minority that actively hates or is bitter towards white people.
But rather I have found that sometimes in the face of just overbearig ignorance sometimes sarcasm and rhetoric is just easier. I don't really get what else minorities are suppose to compromise on? People don't wanna have a serious discussion on race, people don't wanna have a in jest discussion on race (given the responses to this video even on gaf), so are we just suppose to not address it?
User 73706
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Let me break it down for you, because it seems like you're making a meticulous effort to defend your stances with as surgically-precise rhetoric as possible:
No. No, it was not. Mumei very clearly laid out that this video is directed towards the people whom practice aforementioned dumb diet racist stuff, not all white people, as it were.
And yet:
If people were coming in here to exclusively express their concerns regarding the title of the video and the structure of it alone, this thread wouldn't be ten pages long.
Let's revisit this one:
This is a solid "hell no" through and through. This, if nothing else, is where you stumbled into a 1:1 comparison. You're more or less suggesting that minorities / oppressed peoples have to come to you with their plights with perfect clarity, diction, and MLA citations. It's not a sacrifice "we" have to make. It's a sacrifice you're trying to get black people to make, even though they've already had so much stripped from them in the first place. Just because you believe that you, personally, are approaching this with such a level head, clear intent and succinct rationale, doesn't mean that you can attempt to force that on the whole of victimized groups. White people (but not all of them!) are already in a position of power relative to people of color. On a fundamental level, this means that they're probably going to be coming at situations like this with markedly more definitive intent, as though it's possible to either "end racism" or distill the belief into others that it's already been taken care of.
tl;dr you're more or less attempting to trivialize the entire conflict through some purportedly enlightened veil of "necessary objective scrutiny" and you're trying to build semantic pitfalls to avoid actually getting called out on anything that could remotely paint you as a bad person. You're going with the "both sides" argument because you see posters in here refuting white opinions and as a result you feel like you don't have to "give in to them."
EDIT: meta edit:
See tl;dr above. You've never had to immediately go on the defensive.
Gotdatmoney
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The title of the video is appropriate given the context of the video. This is a discussion on racial generalizations. Why the fuck should the title not be a generalization? How can you understand that the video is about generalizations and not grasp why the title is a generalization? That's the point. It's suppose to be ironic.
TwEE-N-Toast
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Good to see the Buzzfeed back in good graces with the right people again.
richardhawk
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Dumb video however I really do need to know why white folks kiss dogs on the mouth and or share utensils with them. It's fucking disgusting. My girlfriend will lay in bed while our dog is going absolutely ham on her mouth like its coated in peanut butter or something.
Ray Wonder
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This is a common thing I see in these type of threads. Someone makes a point, and the response is like this. You're loading what you're saying with a lot more than what was warranted. This looks unarguable, because if the argument was about which race, black or white, experiences more racism then it would be. But when you're actually talking about people not liking being generalized then this doesn't even make that much sense as an argument. Of course black people have it rougher, and that's horrible. That doesn't mean that every point about generalization about white people is automatically moot because of that.
The symptoms that black people have because of those generalizations aren't exclusive to black people. White people also feel defensive/get offended by certain stereotypes. When facing a racial barrier as big as black people face with the white majority, offending in any way is probably not the best way to get people who don't agree with you to understand you. A seemingly harmless insult such as "Why do white people let their dogs lick them in the mouth" may turn someone who came in unbiased, biased against the video.
What do those people really matter anyways? They were closed minded enough to be turned away by such a small insult? What I'm saying is that being aware of this, when the goal is to make as many people understand your view as possible, is a good thing. Knowing that when you respond to someone that is trying to tell you that they don't like being generalized by saying "We have it worse, therefore I don't care that you're offended, just care about us" Isn't the most effective way to make people who don't currently care, care.
EDIT: to add a little:
What I'm saying is that the "Jokes" in this video, and the generalization makes this more effective at pandering to people that already know the problems and are on board. Much, much less effective as convincing new people to get on board. It may actually have a negative effect.
Are you being serious?
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