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Youtube Gaming set to launch... TOMORROW !

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Diablohead

Member
I feel that the website and setup isn't suitible for low spec windows devices, it kills my tablet and keeps causing my firefox on my pc (which is below average now) to choke, something twitch and hitbox never do.

All the performance gains I get from watching HTML5 video over flash are lost with the bloat of the website and chat.
 
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Sou Da

Member
Diablohead said:
I feel that the website and setup isn't suitible for low spec windows devices, it kills my tablet and keeps causing my firefox on my pc (which is below average now) to choke, something twitch and hitbox never do.

All the performance gains I get from watching HTML5 video over flash are lost with the bloat of the website and chat.
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This happens to me to a degree on my work laptop, the stream pages and the chat especially take a minute or so to load but then chill out.

The front page is just terrible for performance though, overall the whole app is just really unoptimized.

I feel like most streamer would be better of embedding the stream on a site and then having their own chatango set up.
 
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fugimax

Member
Yokai said:
Well, I think the only way this fire will calm down is if Youtube Gaming takes the time to go into the details.

I think this is perhaps the biggest point of contention currently and needs to be resolved.
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Honestly, the law here is crazy complex. It's hard to say much. Try it. Our actions will hopefully speak louder than words.
 
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atbigelow

Member
jediyoshi said:
Specifically for those interested in streaming, there are more actions required to get the same amount of info from elsewhere. If you want to look at a game's streams, you end up hitting the game's landing page, and then the stream's page, and then scrolling through giant thumbnails. If I want to find a channel's info, I land on a channel's stream, and then manually click through to the info page, whereas elsewhere contains all 3 elements simultaneously. They entirely forgo scroll bar functionality on a browser forcing people to use autoscrolling/mousewheel, which is especially a pain since there's so little of the page to 'grab' onto to initiate the former. You get no sense whether the featured channels are actually the most popular channels or whether either of the games categories are the most popular games. The displayed info is so focused towards what YouTube specifically curates, smaller channels playing less popular games that retain a dedicated following will have a harder time getting discovered.
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I can agree with the scrollbar issues they've made. When making PC UX, you want to remember that they are on a PC. MS made this mistake with Windows 8.

I think it's pretty obvious YTG wants to compete with Twitch by shoring up their existing first place position (saved video content) with the addition of streaming. Streaming became a first-class citizen on YTG, but not the only citizen. I think that's a far smarter and better approach.

Yes, you have an extra click to get to the streams on a game hub. And the thumbnails are certainly too big for my taste as well. But I would hardly call these "sacrifices". I think their approach overall is better than Twitch's.
 
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QFNS

Unconfirmed Member
fugimax said:
This article isn't accurate. I can't go into details, but there are several assumptions in this article that are incorrect that lead to wildly incorrect conclusions..
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If so, you can reach out to the author (Patrick Klepek has a twitter, youtube, etc) and inform him. If they are spreading misinformation, you should try and tell them the actual stance and get the story corrected. Otherwise, the falsehoods will be assumed true.

If NDAs prevent people from discussing the actual terms (which I strongly suspect, as basically no one from YT ever talks about Content ID in a straightforward and open manner), then why even bother with your statement? It's tantamount to saying, "that just isn't true, we swear" while having no proof whatsoever. I really want YT Gaming to prove a viable challenger to twitch, but this current incarnation really doesn't do it.

The tech is better in every conceivable way. HTML5, Live re-winding, everyone gets quality options, etc. On a PC it looks like someone uprezzed a tablet UI onto my desktop, in the worst possible way. Extremely busy UI with giant buttons everywhere and a bunch of LIKE, FOLLOW, SUBSCRIBE things taking up more of the UI than even on normal youtube. I understand those things are important to the business model. Give me an option to to hide the giant bar at the bottom of the UI when watching a video at least. Actually that right there would solve a large part of my complaints. Thankfully the UI gets out of the way (mostly, that darn bar) once you get into a stream.
 
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IcyRhythms

Member
I often use push to talk for my streams on Twitch. Has anyone figured out how to do this with Youtube? I'm using OBS, it's set to push to talk, but YT streaming picks up my mic all the time.
 
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fugimax

Member
QFNS said:
If so, you can reach out to the author (Patrick Klepek has a twitter, youtube, etc) and inform him. If they are spreading misinformation, you should try and tell them the actual stance and get the story corrected. Otherwise, the falsehoods will be assumed true.

If NDAs prevent people from discussing the actual terms (which I strongly suspect, as basically no one from YT ever talks about Content ID in a straightforward and open manner), then why even bother with your statement? It's tantamount to saying, "that just isn't true, we swear" while having no proof whatsoever. I really want YT Gaming to prove a viable challenger to twitch, but this current incarnation really doesn't do it.

The tech is better in every conceivable way. HTML5, Live re-winding, everyone gets quality options, etc. On a PC it looks like someone uprezzed a tablet UI onto my desktop, in the worst possible way. Extremely busy UI with giant buttons everywhere and a bunch of LIKE, FOLLOW, SUBSCRIBE things taking up more of the UI than even on normal youtube. I understand those things are important to the business model. Give me an option to to hide the giant bar at the bottom of the UI when watching a video at least. Actually that right there would solve a large part of my complaints. Thankfully the UI gets out of the way (mostly, that darn bar) once you get into a stream.
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See my other reply. Our actions will speak for themselves..
(We're also contacting folks writing stories about this and trying to help clarify.)
 
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Nanashrew

Banned
Froli said:
Turns out Twitch broadcasters with partnered status are not allowed to use other streaming sites like Youtube Gaming. It breaks their contract lol
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Sort of. Some like Cosmo were allowed to stream on Hitbox but as long as it wasn't something he normally speedran like Wind Waker or Ocarina of Time. Cosmo instead played F-Zero GX and Beetle Adventure Racing.
 
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WolfForager

Member
*Loads website*

"This looks pretty nice, let's check out a live stream"

*Live streaming is not available in your country due to rights issues*

Germany strikes again!

Damnit...
 
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fugimax

Member
Froli said:
Excuse for us having doubts but, Youtube's actions has fucked up so many times that I stopped counting. I'm sorry if this coming too strong and we appreciate you posting here.
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Yup. We've fixed a lot of things and there's definitely trust to earn back. Thanks for holding us to a higher standard. The space is still incredibly complex. We will get a bunch of things right, and some wrong, and we'll evolve..

We're all gamers over here and we all feel the same pain many of ya'll have.
 
Palom

Palom

Member
The discoverability leaves much to be desired. I usually play and like to watch niche games, and there is no way to find these streams aside from favoriting games and going through my list one by one to check.

Additionally, content ID scares me off. The export of my stream of the ending for Lightning Returns was blocked because of a copyright claim on the CGI scenes. (How are there other videos of the ending on YouTube?! I didn't even try to monetize it.) So, if I streamed Lightning Returns on YouTube, I'd have to cut the stream whenever a CGI cut-scene comes up, or get a copyright strike? Fuck that. I was just getting ready to start Kingdom Hearts, too. Think I'll stick with Twitch, because I can only imagine how restrictive copyright claims would be with both Square-Enix and Disney involved.
 
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botty

Banned
Palom said:
The discoverability leaves much to be desired. I usually play and like to watch niche games, and there is no way to find these streams aside from favoriting games and going through my list one by one to check.

Additionally, content ID scares me off. The export of my stream of the ending for Lightning Returns was blocked because of a copyright claim on the CGI scenes. (How are there other videos of the ending on YouTube?! I didn't even try to monetize it.) So, if I streamed Lightning Returns on YouTube, I'd have to cut the stream whenever a CGI cut-scene comes up, or get a copyright strike? Fuck that. I was just getting ready to start Kingdom Hearts, too. Think I'll stick with Twitch, because I can only imagine how restrictive copyright claims would be with both Square-Enix and Disney involved.
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PM me if you play kingdom hearts on twitch, etc. i want to watch
 
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Tetsuo9999

Member
fugimax said:
Yup. We've fixed a lot of things and there's definitely trust to earn back. Thanks for holding us to a higher standard. The space is still incredibly complex. We will get a bunch of things right, and some wrong, and we'll evolve..

We're all gamers over here and we all feel the same pain many of ya'll have.
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I've been on the site since the beginning (October 2005, channel is youtube.com/tetsuo9999), and it's nice to see steps being taken to make the gamer's general experience better. I remember that awkward period where there wasn't a gaming section at all! My PC is currently in the shop, but I'm down to try this out when I can. One thing I hope for is that less popular games can be easier to find. I took a short tour of the site this morning and was able to find myself on several of the niche games that I cover, which is a step in the right direction. Youtube constantly shoves the big games down your throat, and it's always been harder to find people in smaller communities until now.
 
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watershed

Banned
It's been alright to use so far. I'v been watching a few videogame livestreams on youtube lately so I'll keep up with this and see how it goes. Splatoon ftw!
 
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Newlove

Member
I've downloaded the app, checked out the desktop website. It works and looks nice, my only problem with it really is the YouTube comment community is just nowhere near as moderated or involving as Twitch, and I don't think that's a hurdle they will easily overcome with me.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Newlove said:
I've downloaded the app, checked out the desktop website. It works and looks nice, my only problem with it really is the YouTube comment community is just nowhere near as moderated or involving as Twitch, and I don't think that's a hurdle they will easily overcome with me.
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Probably people didn't want to comment with their real name and Google+ account? Haha
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

Banned
Newlove said:
I've downloaded the app, checked out the desktop website. It works and looks nice, my only problem with it really is the YouTube comment community is just nowhere near as moderated or involving as Twitch, and I don't think that's a hurdle they will easily overcome with me.
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You know I never thought of that but when you consider how bad twitch chat can be and how youtube comments are at least exponentially worse then wow.
 
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Run Jump Stomp

Member
fugimax said:
We have chat moderation. Creators can designate moderators for their live streams.
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That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.

We need a good Chat API so we can have bots that do the work of moderators for us. Then moderators can make judgement calls where things are too complicated for a bot to handle.

As a streamer I would also like to find out when someone subscribes to my channel so I can thank them. It encourages others to subscribe. Perhaps they hadn't thought of hitting the sub button, they were just browsing and stumbled in. Hearing me say "Thanks for the sub fugimax" might click in their brain, oh, look there is a sub button there for me to click.
 
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fugimax

Member
Run Jump Stomp said:
That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.

We need a good Chat API so we can have bots that do the work of moderators for us. Then moderators can make judgement calls where things are too complicated for a bot to handle.

As a streamer I would also like to find out when someone subscribes to my channel so I can thank them. It encourages others to subscribe. Perhaps they hadn't thought of hitting the sub button, they were just browsing and stumbled in. Hearing me say "Thanks for the sub fugimax" might click in their brain, oh, look there is a sub button there for me to click.
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Working on it..

As for automated tools, we have a bad word list that you can setup/configure that automatically drops anything it matches.
 
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loaf of bread

Member
Ysiadmihi said:
Getting a delay of 20+ seconds compared to the 5 or so on Hitbox. Is this normal or have I missed something?
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That is standard I've found. Youtube Streaming has horrible delay and I don't like using it as a result. I still watch conferences etc on Twitch because the extra iq isn't worth the sometimes 30+ second delay on streams.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Run Jump Stomp said:
That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.

We need a good Chat API so we can have bots that do the work of moderators for us. Then moderators can make judgement calls where things are too complicated for a bot to handle.

As a streamer I would also like to find out when someone subscribes to my channel so I can thank them. It encourages others to subscribe. Perhaps they hadn't thought of hitting the sub button, they were just browsing and stumbled in. Hearing me say "Thanks for the sub fugimax" might click in their brain, oh, look there is a sub button there for me to click.
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Oh yeah those are all good points! At least allow for sub notification for the streamer to see. It doesn't have to be broadcasted like TwitchAlert usage. I'd like to know so I can thank the new sub! Also curious if there is a monthly donation thing like Twitch's sub.
 
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NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Iadien said:
This runs like shit for me, but Twitch runs fine. GG
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It would be great if you could elaborate more on maybe your computer specs or something. Help the dev to troubleshoot why it might not be working well on your computer? We are lucky to have a dev on board here who reads our posts, after all...
 
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gai_shain

Member
Run Jump Stomp said:
That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.
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even big streams with bots have chats were people arent able to read anything, if streams go past a certain number of viewers bots wont really help anymore
 
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Run Jump Stomp

Member
gai_shain said:
even big streams with bots have chats were people arent able to read anything, if streams go past a certain number of viewers bots wont really help anymore
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While this is true, today when watching a stream I saw people posting ASCII art non stop a bot could stop that kind of thing making things much easier. Chat also needs a slow mode so people can't post things over and over.
 
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Jacksinthe

Banned
Ysiadmihi said:
Getting a delay of 20+ seconds compared to the 5 or so on Hitbox. Is this normal or have I missed something?
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loaf of bread said:
That is standard I've found. Youtube Streaming has horrible delay and I don't like using it as a result. I still watch conferences etc on Twitch because the extra iq isn't worth the sometimes 30+ second delay on streams.
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Streamers have options to enable a delay to improve buffering or remove it to improve discussion latency.

I don't know what people are using as a default but I would choose the option for the best streaming experience (delay).
 
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Darvan

Member
Fugimax,

Is there a fix for Chrome user's trying to login to YouTube gaming with the error code 404 ? The only way I can view streams is to use incognito mode.
 
Mr Nash

Mr Nash

square pies = communism
Palom said:
The discoverability leaves much to be desired. I usually play and like to watch niche games, and there is no way to find these streams aside from favoriting games and going through my list one by one to check.
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Yeah, I really don't like this. It's been a huge pain in the ass on Twitch as well. Great for folks who like LoL, Starcraft, or some other popular game, but for folks who like niche stuff, good luck finding it. Even worse, it discourages others from streaming their niche games because they'll just figure, "Well, it's not like anyone will be able to find it anyway..."
 
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GreatMightySymp

Member
Is the site lagging heavily for anyone else? Loaded the site up in Safari tonight and it's lagging heavily.

(Wouldn't be entirely shocked if they only tested/optimized this in Chrome.)
 
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Nyoro SF

Member
Did nobody on the YT gaming staff... watch Twitch at all at least to see what they do right and apply it?

Because with all this feedback I've heard now my 10% motivation to check out youtube streaming pretty much dropped to zero.
 
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