Turns out Twitch broadcasters with partnered status are not allowed to use other streaming sites like Youtube Gaming. It breaks their contract lol
I feel that the website and setup isn't suitible for low spec windows devices, it kills my tablet and keeps causing my firefox on my pc (which is below average now) to choke, something twitch and hitbox never do.
All the performance gains I get from watching HTML5 video over flash are lost with the bloat of the website and chat.
Honestly, the law here is crazy complex. It's hard to say much. Try it. Our actions will hopefully speak louder than words.Well, I think the only way this fire will calm down is if Youtube Gaming takes the time to go into the details.
I think this is perhaps the biggest point of contention currently and needs to be resolved.
Specifically for those interested in streaming, there are more actions required to get the same amount of info from elsewhere. If you want to look at a game's streams, you end up hitting the game's landing page, and then the stream's page, and then scrolling through giant thumbnails. If I want to find a channel's info, I land on a channel's stream, and then manually click through to the info page, whereas elsewhere contains all 3 elements simultaneously. They entirely forgo scroll bar functionality on a browser forcing people to use autoscrolling/mousewheel, which is especially a pain since there's so little of the page to 'grab' onto to initiate the former. You get no sense whether the featured channels are actually the most popular channels or whether either of the games categories are the most popular games. The displayed info is so focused towards what YouTube specifically curates, smaller channels playing less popular games that retain a dedicated following will have a harder time getting discovered.
This article isn't accurate. I can't go into details, but there are several assumptions in this article that are incorrect that lead to wildly incorrect conclusions..
If so, you can reach out to the author (Patrick Klepek has a twitter, youtube, etc) and inform him. If they are spreading misinformation, you should try and tell them the actual stance and get the story corrected. Otherwise, the falsehoods will be assumed true.
If NDAs prevent people from discussing the actual terms (which I strongly suspect, as basically no one from YT ever talks about Content ID in a straightforward and open manner), then why even bother with your statement? It's tantamount to saying, "that just isn't true, we swear" while having no proof whatsoever. I really want YT Gaming to prove a viable challenger to twitch, but this current incarnation really doesn't do it.
The tech is better in every conceivable way. HTML5, Live re-winding, everyone gets quality options, etc. On a PC it looks like someone uprezzed a tablet UI onto my desktop, in the worst possible way. Extremely busy UI with giant buttons everywhere and a bunch of LIKE, FOLLOW, SUBSCRIBE things taking up more of the UI than even on normal youtube. I understand those things are important to the business model. Give me an option to to hide the giant bar at the bottom of the UI when watching a video at least. Actually that right there would solve a large part of my complaints. Thankfully the UI gets out of the way (mostly, that darn bar) once you get into a stream.
Turns out Twitch broadcasters with partnered status are not allowed to use other streaming sites like Youtube Gaming. It breaks their contract lol
Our actions will speak for themselves..
Excuse for us having doubts but, Youtube's actions has fucked up so many times that I stopped counting. I'm sorry if this coming too strong and we appreciate you posting here.
The discoverability leaves much to be desired. I usually play and like to watch niche games, and there is no way to find these streams aside from favoriting games and going through my list one by one to check.
Additionally, content ID scares me off. The export of my stream of the ending for Lightning Returns was blocked because of a copyright claim on the CGI scenes. (How are there other videos of the ending on YouTube?! I didn't even try to monetize it.) So, if I streamed Lightning Returns on YouTube, I'd have to cut the stream whenever a CGI cut-scene comes up, or get a copyright strike? Fuck that. I was just getting ready to start Kingdom Hearts, too. Think I'll stick with Twitch, because I can only imagine how restrictive copyright claims would be with both Square-Enix and Disney involved.
Yup. We've fixed a lot of things and there's definitely trust to earn back. Thanks for holding us to a higher standard. The space is still incredibly complex. We will get a bunch of things right, and some wrong, and we'll evolve..
We're all gamers over here and we all feel the same pain many of ya'll have.
Probably people didn't want to comment with their real name and Google+ account? HahaI've downloaded the app, checked out the desktop website. It works and looks nice, my only problem with it really is the YouTube comment community is just nowhere near as moderated or involving as Twitch, and I don't think that's a hurdle they will easily overcome with me.
I've downloaded the app, checked out the desktop website. It works and looks nice, my only problem with it really is the YouTube comment community is just nowhere near as moderated or involving as Twitch, and I don't think that's a hurdle they will easily overcome with me.
We have chat moderation. Creators can designate moderators for their live streams.
I'm testing it out, check out my black ops 3 stream http://www.youtube.com/user/paulink/live
That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.
We need a good Chat API so we can have bots that do the work of moderators for us. Then moderators can make judgement calls where things are too complicated for a bot to handle.
As a streamer I would also like to find out when someone subscribes to my channel so I can thank them. It encourages others to subscribe. Perhaps they hadn't thought of hitting the sub button, they were just browsing and stumbled in. Hearing me say "Thanks for the sub fugimax" might click in their brain, oh, look there is a sub button there for me to click.
Getting a delay of 20+ seconds compared to the 5 or so on Hitbox. Is this normal or have I missed something?
I'm testing it out, check out my black ops 3 stream http://www.youtube.com/user/paulink/live
Oh yeah those are all good points! At least allow for sub notification for the streamer to see. It doesn't have to be broadcasted like TwitchAlert usage. I'd like to know so I can thank the new sub! Also curious if there is a monthly donation thing like Twitch's sub.That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.
We need a good Chat API so we can have bots that do the work of moderators for us. Then moderators can make judgement calls where things are too complicated for a bot to handle.
As a streamer I would also like to find out when someone subscribes to my channel so I can thank them. It encourages others to subscribe. Perhaps they hadn't thought of hitting the sub button, they were just browsing and stumbled in. Hearing me say "Thanks for the sub fugimax" might click in their brain, oh, look there is a sub button there for me to click.
It would be great if you could elaborate more on maybe your computer specs or something. Help the dev to troubleshoot why it might not be working well on your computer? We are lucky to have a dev on board here who reads our posts, after all...This runs like shit for me, but Twitch runs fine. GG
That is not good enough, have you looked at a channel that has a lot of viewers? You can't read anything, a human cannot moderate channels with large numbers of viewers, that's why we have bots on Twitch.
even big streams with bots have chats were people arent able to read anything, if streams go past a certain number of viewers bots wont really help anymore
Getting a delay of 20+ seconds compared to the 5 or so on Hitbox. Is this normal or have I missed something?
Streamers have options to enable a delay to improve buffering or remove it to improve discussion latency.That is standard I've found. Youtube Streaming has horrible delay and I don't like using it as a result. I still watch conferences etc on Twitch because the extra iq isn't worth the sometimes 30+ second delay on streams.
One big thing this has over Twitch is the ability to rewind in live streams. That's awesome.
The discoverability leaves much to be desired. I usually play and like to watch niche games, and there is no way to find these streams aside from favoriting games and going through my list one by one to check.