Cap isn't a war movie. Its a war movie the same way GI Joe is a war movie. As in not really a war movie.
It is a lot more when you consider they are all big budget action movies. Now how much of THAT pie does the 8 account for?When you think about it... 8 movies out of... what, hundreds of movies that release per year? Isn't a lot.
What lol.
And it's important to note that they started booming at a time when both the target audience and people behind those films included a lot of people who had closer connections to that period of time, either by being the children/grandchildren of people who lived it or having lived it themselves (incidentally, Wyatt Fucking Earp lived to see himself portrayed on the big screen). And then they started tapering off as soon as there were less film makers and moviegoers growing up with the nostalgia of grandad's stories from the old days.Westerns died because at their core they are a very specific period piece.
Not the same thing and you know it.You mean the Wild West?
Spielberg's not wrong that superhero movies are going to have a finite shelf life, but the problem is that with the mega-budgets superhero movies are working with, and the extremely tight and controlled release schedules, you're not going to have missed gems and interestingB-tier failures like you might if you watched, say, a random sampling of 100 Westerns.
Edit: lol at the "they're all different genres!" post. Perhaps, in a superficial sense, but they are all structured around costumed heroes in big action scenes.
Here's the thing Spielberg doesn't acknowledge; "Superhero" films are no longer confined to the genre of "superhero" movie.
The MCU is a big testament at how well it endures because all their franchises excel in DIFFERENT areas.
Iron Man 1 is half prison-break, half sci fi action film.
Incredible Hulk is a monster movie.
Captain America: First Avenger is a retro war movie.
Thor 1 and 2 are fantasy films.
Avengers was an alien invasion movie.
Captain America: Winter Soldier is an espionage thriller.
Guardians of the Galaxy was a science fiction space adventure.
Avengers 2 is a robot rebellion film.
Ant-Man is a heist movie.
Daredevil is a gritty street level drama.
Etc.
It's a disservice to brand them all as "superhero" movies when often they're so vastly different from one another. Doctor Strange is going to be vastly different from Black Panther which is going to be entirely different from Captain Marvel and the Inhumans.
That elasticity allows them a lot of flexibility to appeal to a lot of different people who are fans of different genres.
It's why you can be a fan of Guardians of the Galaxy, but not Thor movies, or a fan of Captain America but not Hulk. There's still something there for everyone.
Like how most people consider Blade to be what started our current trend of cape movies ... and MOST PEOPLE at the time had no clue it was a "comic book movie" and had no idea he was some character with history with Spider Man and so on. It was just seen as a vampire action movie cause that's what it was.
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We don't have nearly as much super hero movies right now, as there were westerns in the 40s, 50s, or 60s, do we?
Btw that are 3 decades, so a lot of super hero movies to come.
So what he's saying is that in 20 years, we'll have a Quentin Tarantino superhero movie?
Scorched Hollywood brought us the new wave Hollywood with the likes of Jaws and Star Wars in the later half of the 70s.
The death of the current blockbuster system would result in a similar resetting, it'd would be fantastic.
Why do superhero movies get singled out so much? I mean between Kingsmen, Spy, Mission Impossible, Man from Uncle, Spectre and whatever else im missing, there's easily more spy movies this year then there are superhero movies. Not to mention plenty of other genres that outnumber superhero movies.
There's what? At most 6 superhero movies coming out next year among the hundreds and hundreds of other kinds of movies coming out next year. It's not like there isnt anything else to watch if you hate superhero movies.
Anyways, Speilberg might be right but im going to enjoy the fuck out of it while it lasts
Not the same thing and you know it.
In fairness, yes.That's 37 years, Steven- did westerns have that kind of run without running out of steam?
Right.
The Wild West was an actual time and place.
In fairness, yes.
One of the more popular silent film genres throughout the 10s and 20s, with a slight dip in popularity relegating them to lower budget pulpy films for the early 30s (equivalent to, say, the time between Superman and Batman), and then back to being one of the most popular genres for a solid three or four decades.
yep. "Superhero" is a very flexible term. The greek and roman gods and heroes were more or less the same thing. You could even extend this to Jesus if you want. there will always be a market for films about people able to do the extraordinary for implausible reasons.
But "going the way of the western?" Spielberg shows he doesn't understand the genre, and not much else. The first truly "blockbuster" superhero movie hit the big screen in 1978 and it was a cultural phenomenon. That's 37 years, Steven- did westerns have that kind of run without running out of steam?
Since then there hasn't been more than 3 or 4 years between a big screen Marvel/DC adaptation- and that's ignoring all of the other properties that are superheroes but rarely viewed as such- Flash Gordon, He-Man, Neo from "The Matrix", Conan the Barbarian, Black Dynamite, Arnold in Terminator 2, The Beastmaster- fuck, even Star Wars is basically a superhero ensemble franchise.
These things aren't going away. They might get grittier (look at the change from batman 66 to Batman 89) but vanishing entirely? not happening. better get used to them.
yep. the marvel/DC stable is so deep and broad just about any story that can be done has been done there. If people get tired of traditional "cape" films like the avengers or superman, there will simply be movies released that people have no idea were comic books in the first place.
I can't wait for the Anime - hollywood live action adaptation revolution!
Yes, if you literally call every action movie with an overpowered main character a superhero movie I guess they never will go away.
Whats disrespectful is what Fox did to Darwin. That was done out of spite.
I wish to God the western would come back.
Can't come soon enough, IMO.
Can't wait for that now that Nolan is done.
I'll give you The Winter Soldier. Laughed at the rest.
Only to be replaced by respectable movies based on shrunken manga.
it's actually quite odd how no one has managed to make a blockbuster (western) film based on popular manga or anime yet.
The closest i can think of is Speed Racer, and that one is generally not viewed very favorably.
I did no such thing- and the examples I cited are clearly superheroes. Flash Gordon, Conan, and He-Man in particular all had comic books on shelves that predated the film adaptations.
The rest are clearly in the same category- even without comic origins...unless you want to handwave away Neo literally flying out of a phonebooth at the end of the matrix as having absolutely nothing to do with superman.
Hopefully JC gets those Avatar sequels finally over with so Battle Angel happens.it's actually quite odd how no one has managed to make a blockbuster (western) film based on popular manga or anime yet.
The closest i can think of is Speed Racer, and that one is generally not viewed very favorably.
Right.
The Wild West was an actual time and place.
I fell like the defining characteristic of a superhero is their costume.
If you extend it to "action character with special powers" then the term is meaningless, and yes, basically every action hero could be considered super.
Comic /=/ superhero either. Comics are a medium not a genre. A history of violence and waltz with bashir are comic book adaptations too but you wouldn't call them superhero movies.
Okay so there's arty comics and there's superhero conics and no such thing as comics that are just sci fi or adventure or action.
What is a superhero then, according to you.
It is a lot more when you consider they are all big budget action movies. Now how much of THAT pie does the 8 account for?
Read my above edit. and comics that are "just sci fi or adventure or action" do exist, but I didn't name those.
Well yeah. Age of Ultron practically bombed, so
It is a lot more when you consider they are all big budget action movies. Now how much of THAT pie does the 8 account for?
I mean I concede he man. But does Conan have superpowers? What's your definition, I'm honestly curious