StrongBlackVine
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PS4 will be same price as Xbox One on Black Friday. Mission accomplished for Sony. Although of it wass the Battlefront bundle instead of Uncharted it would be a massacre.
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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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PS4 will be same price as Xbox One on Black Friday. Mission accomplished for Sony. Although of it wass the Battlefront bundle instead of Uncharted it would be a massacre.
MisterR
Member
You're talking about a main line Halo not even hitting a million in NPD. That is huge underperformance and is going to take up most of the discussion. This has nothing to do with an Xbox persecution complex.
I have a feeling we will still be disappointed with the sales of both consoles this November. I expect them to sell well, but would guess that XB1 will be down over 2014, and PS4 won't be up as much as some expect.
Obliterator
Member
A lot of questions will be answered about the health of these systems in November. They will both be $299 which is a pretty mass market price. If things are going well both should be over 1 million imo.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I never said not but they are a very small number .
for eg we also know that certain genre push hardware for eg JPRG but that also small amount unless we talking about Japan .
I am not sure what makes you say that really.
PS4 will be at $299 for the first time not to mention the massive bundles this time around.
Stone Ocean
Member
Last November numbers were something like 1200k X1 / 800k PS4, right? It will be hella interesting if both consoles break a mil
MisterR
Member
We'll see. I think with the good sales and Fallout, COD and Battlefront dropping this will be a massive month.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Why do you expect sales to be down with Fallout, Black Ops and Battlefront pushing sales. All 3 of those games are bigger than anything last year outside of GTAV Remastered.
And all 3 are next gen only(OK COD has a half ass port on last gen).
Neuromancer
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gundamkyoukai
Member
Well we have to wait and see if $50 is enough which going to take until next year .
Can't really tell much with Nov and Dec .
Still Sony should have gone with a $100 price cut since $50 after 2 years is very low .
Obliterator
Member
The software releases are MUCH larger this November and they are at mass market price points. If they can't break a million something is off. I think they will though
It's too close to black Friday /Cyber Monday deals for people. Why save $50 when if I wait 3 weeks I can save $100+? They you have halo along side it and it off course it won't look good. The price cut was for a longer play sort of thing to keep it looking priced competitively after the holiday sales rush.
For those of you "wondering" why Halo and AC are such a prevalent topic of discussion in this thread: when one of the most recognizable IPs in gaming is showing a 70% decline in sales in its strongest territory that is absolutely earth shattering. There is no way those sort of results don't get discussed in a thread devoted to discussing sales. It is literally the most noteworthy thing to happen in this reporting period and perhaps even all year. It is by no means small news nor was it by any means predictable. Nobody expected a drop of that margin.
3.3 million to 935k. Just think about that for a moment. Then perhaps you'll understand why it had dominated discussion.
3.3 million to 935k. Just think about that for a moment. Then perhaps you'll understand why it had dominated discussion.
Diprosalic
Banned
good.
Obliterator
Member
In another thread I got told that I am a torrent of hatred for talking about how crazy shocking those sales were. No joke
I don't think that price was holding the PS4 back as much as some are suggesting. Sales to date this year haven't been all that stellar, and we were seeing a lot of $349 sales, even before the official price cut. I do think we will see PS4 break 1M again this November (which would be a healthy increase), but I don't think it will top XB1's Nov 2014. That will be the metric that people will measure the PS4 by.
michaelius
Banned
Sony is global company - they have more markets than just America. So You can't judge that price cut without data from Europe and Asia. We will see when they post shipments but I'll be suprised if they aren't up compared to last year globally.
Yeah, they push some hardware, but I don't think any single game pushes it as much as people think. I look at graphs that Zhuge has done and I have a pretty hard time picking out where the big exclusives landed until I line them up by date. Sure, there are a few (tiny) noticeable upticks, but by and large each year looks pretty similar.
Neuromancer
Member
LOL, okay. I am simply pointing out that it still won the month, along with Xbox One hardware, which is what the thread is about. But it somehow got turned into Halo being a failure even after winning the month with only 5 days of sales to show for it. Which just seemed rather odd to me.
Meanwhile, PS4 did even worse even after a price drop, but that is strangely not noteworthy at all. Point being, if this month is seen as a failure for Xbox despite them winning, then I guess it is an even bigger drop off for PS4. Just calling a spade a spade, my friend.
No, those games sell up to 70-80% of their sales outside of North America, they don't sell well in NA regardless of their release date
the Uncharted franchise sold 8 million just before UC3 launched, 5 months later it hit 17 million units, so UC3 sold upwards of 9 million units in its launch window, the franchise sold an additional 4 million since then. It took The Last of Us an entire year to hit 7 million units.
As for GT5, here are a few charts from PAL in 2010 Christmas week:
Denmark:
01 (02) Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
02 (03) Gran Turismo 5 (Nordisk Film)
03 (04) Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
04 (07) Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
05 (01) Fifa 11 (Electronic Arts)
Spain:
01 (02) [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (Sony)
02 (01) [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Activision)
03 (__) [NDS] Art Academy (Nintendo)
04 (__) [PC] World Of Warcraft: Cataclysm (Activision Blizzard)
05 (__) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
Italy:
01 (02) [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (Sony)
02 (01) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
03 (03) [WII] Wii Fit Plus + Balance Board (Nintendo)
04 (05) [360] Kinect Adventures (Microsoft)
05 (04) [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo)
06 (07) [PS3] Call of Duty Black Ops
Germany:
01 (01) [WII] Wii Party (Nintendo)
02 (03) [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (Sony)
03 (07) [PS3] Call Of Duty: Black Ops (Activision Blizzard)
04 (02) [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo)
05 (08) [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo)
Just to name a few. Feel free to search GAF for more PAL charts during that entire holiday season.
We already have previous Halo numbers in this thread, all of them released in the holiday season as well.
EDIT: Just as a reminder, NPD launch month alone:
Halo 3: 3.3 million.
Halo Reach: 3.3 million.
Halo 4: 3.2 million.
Obliterator
Member
There were no big winners in October, I think everyone can agree to that. Rough month overall. Especially software though and thats why people are talking about it.
Both Halo 5 and Syndicate number are truly terrible compared to franchise norms.
It can be inferred that Yoshi sold about 150k and SMM sold less than 100k. We've had no indications about Splatoon (but it's assuredly less than 100k).
We got Black Flag numbers: It sold 620k in its launch month, then sold 1.2 million the next month when the PS4 and Xbox Three launched.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Some people are thinking that PS4 sales low because of Nov so they waiting on that .
You can bet if PS4 does not out sell last years numbers Nov NPD going to have a lot of that
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
It....it's like you've had your eyes closed for the past two years o.0.
Amazing.
Pretty much, and now it comes down to the bundles. Too bad for PS4 that $299 isn't the Battlefront bundle but I'm sure some retailers (probably online ones) will make unofficial cuts to sell them at that price.
That was Black Flag, Unity was not on PS3/360
I do think that people are waiting on the holidays for sure. November and December should see a bump.
Bahaha what?!?!? I'd love to hear he logic behind that one.
Please make it stop, I'm getting dizzy now
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[img]http://www.ranthollywood.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Darth-Vader-at-Disney-GIF.gif[/img]When it comes to the month of October, I was mainly referring to the game itself. I never expected anything close to (say) a 2:1 month for XB1 vs. PS4 console sales.
In these posts you've brought up, I was referring to the Holiday season as a whole. The top posts you quoted mentions COD and Battlefront... games that released this month -- November... not October. Bottom post mentions/states "Holiday season".
Halo helped Xbox sales in October (i.e.: first time the system has been #1 in a decent amount of months) and the game should help Xbox One system sales in November and December -- months in which a ton of people buy consoles. Will it help as much as 360 Halos? Highly doubt it. But it alongside other games/multiplats should still help some people who are still on the 360 to move to the Xbox One this Holiday season.
Yes, stating that it will more than likely cause the the Xbox One to be #1 during an NPD month -- a console that usually never gets that position (e.g.: similar to the PS3 last gen). MGS4 helped the system it was for be #1 during the month it released and the same was true for Halo 5. Not really seeing the problem here.
Not sure why you quoted me saying the PS3 almost doubled the Xbox 360's sales during the month that MGS4 released either -- I wasn't suggesting that the exact same thing would happen last month for Xbox One vs. PS4. I was simply posting a fact in reply to someone else.
"Everyone" who likes Uncharted will not have a PS4 during the Spring. I said in my previous post in this thread (which started our discussion) that the PS4 should definitely get higher sales in March (vs. February) thanks to Uncharted.
I simply stated that it's yet to be determined if the game will help the PS4 sell more than 307K (what the Xbox One did this month). It depends on how well the PS4 does during the Holiday season as well as how Sony will set up special Uncharted 4 bundles. I brought this up simply because March is usually similar to October for console sales. So overall, I don't see why me stating this was a reason to have a pretty deep post history investigation (haha).
you sound kinda fanboyish, with the generalizing and persecution.
Sales for h5 are shitty as the are for asscreed. Hardware is in line with like the past 6 October's. Lack of an uptick in ps4 in Nov would be a very bad sign, but Oct, not so much.
Just... get off the ride then.
Are you kidding dude? Halo dropping 70% in debut sales over previous entry is literally the single most noteworthy thing about this NPD. Period. 70% DECLINE what part of that are you not understanding. That is HUGE.
What if they are happy that halo 5 had largest revenue?
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I think it speaks more to the luster wearing on the Halo franchise than anything else. MCC was some serious damage to the brand. There have been plenty of success stories this gen and AAA games have had healthy launches for the most part and indies have started filling the AA hole, but publishers have to be cautious about mistreating their brands.
The market may indeed shrink this gen, but I think the market will also be more informed and more likely to buy multiple games and more niche games. Because let's be serious those 160 million PS360 owners were not all active, I'd say less than half were. Something publishers learned the hard way with all the cross gen games performing poorly on last gen. So it should be a very healthy market for publishers still. However, you can't just slip Tony Hawk 5 onto the market anymore and expect it to sell well, the opposite will happen and people will instead not ever want to buy Tony Hawk ever again.
GillianSeed79
Member
Percentage-wise, are software sales up or down compared to last year? Halo 4 selling less than a million is one thing, but did the rest of the top 10 even break 500,000? Isn't that terrible if the other two in the top three are NBA 2K in its second month and Ass Creed Syndicate, which apparently didn't exceed more than 400K? Where is MGSV? I mean normal months this wouldn't seem that bad, but it's October when some of the biggest games are starting to hit. I'm probably over reacting a bit. I'm sure Blops III, Battlefront and Fallout will do crazy numbers next month
Yeah, sorry, I fixed my post. I guess I'm just making shit up in my head
Obliterator
Member
I mean we are talking a level of drop that I assure you MS has to reevaluate the state of the franchise. No I'm not saying Halo 6 is in any danger of being canceled. But you don't have a 60-70% drop on a framchise and say screw it its all good.
MS is without a doubt thinking about the future and how they handle the franchise
We don't have sell through numbers, so we don't know the revenue.
Yes, I feel so persecuted. I hate the PS4 so much that I even own one. LOL, come on.
I just found it odd that that the thread has been turned into a negative mainly for Xbox One, when PS4 did even worse after a price drop. Which is just as noteworthy when looking at the whole picture. As a few others have pointed out. I never disputed the drop-off for Halo. That's obvious, man.
boredandlazy
Member
Revenue /= Profit.
are they?
I mean they know what they had to do to come up with that #
We see the numbers in the UK and the probable numbers from NPD, that wasn't generated soley on the sale of the game.
I think people are like "who cares it's a win"
But that was Microsofts biggest title...biggest IP
When is the next time they will have this opportunity again? Gears?
Primethius
Banned
Because the decline is massive. The PS4 and XB1 posting terrible numbers can be explained by (presumably) customers waiting for the deals in November (and bundles).
So while both consoles will have a huge uptick in November, Halo 5 already had it's best month and it was awful.
Well yeah but the point is that s drop that large is going to perk up ears and generate some mileage I'm a sales focused thread. Declines that steep in AAA gaming don't happen everyday. So yea people are gonna talk about it.
It really isn't.
Does Sony? All I ever said is that they did win the month and Sony did even worse even after a price-drop, despite low numbers across the board. It is what it is.
Anyway, I actually think they wish they were doing better overall. Not just for the month. But I would not call the system a complete failure yet, either.