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[TheExodu5]

I don't see us coming up with a day 1 vote. Burb seems legit to me...too risky of a play considering how likely it would be for someone else to be Snape. There's no gain to voting him out.

Sure, voting patterns help, but I have the feeling this crowd is beyond making simple voting slip-ups this early on. Some townies will start votes to evoke a response. Some scum will start votes to attempt to avoid suspicion.

Unless it actually gets to the point where we're nearing 50% on someone, we won't get anywhere. And we're nowhere near that point. The only thing that will make us get to that point is more information, and that goes beyond simple voting patterns.

 

[Kalor]

I'm ok with letting Burbeting live at least another day. I know that they will likely continue to be a major topic of discussion as long as they are alive but I don't think that a mafia/neutral would fake claim in their first post of the game. The game is going to last a while so having a gambit on the first day just seems unnecessary and detrimental to their team. Which is why I am leaning towards them being Town for now.

 

[roytheone]

Unless we are dealing with an absolutely massive scum team, is there any role trade off where a 1 for 1 would be favorable for mafia? Snape would have to be our Harry Potter Jesus in this game for some reason, so I think we can throw out that this could be a scum attempt to get the "actual" Snape to claim.

The corollary to that being, if there is a Snape out there who hasn't claimed out of fear of getting NK'd I think it would be in the villages best interest to come forward regardless. (Not that I think there is another Snape.)

Three things I want to say about this:

1) Normally, I would agree that a 1 for 1 trade off favors town. However, if Burbs is actually scum, he has just crippled himself by putting himself in the spotlight. PR like role blockers and trackers will probably focus on him more than usual, and during the day he can't really try to steer discussion a certain way because he is going to be mistrusted by default. This makes him a lot less dangerous if he indeed turns out to be scum.

2) There seem to be a decent number of people at least considering a Burb vote right now. So if there is a "real" Snape, it will probably be smarter to stay hidden and see if Burb will get lynched anyway without having to role claim.

3) If there is another "real" Snape, that would mean that scum didn't get any fake names to claim or that Burb decided to ignore those for some reason. And then he picked Snape, a huge character in the franchise that is pretty likely to be in the game as a role, and thus is a huuuge risk. I really don't see Burb taking such an insane risk, especially this early in the game, there was no reason to yet.

 

[Kawl_USC]

Three things I want to say about this:

1) Normally, I would agree that a 1 for 1 trade off favors town. However, if Burbs is actually scum, he has just crippled himself by putting himself in the spotlight. PR like role blockers and trackers will probably focus on him more than usual, and during the day he can't really try to steer discussion a certain way because he is going to be mistrusted by default. This makes him a lot less dangerous if he indeed turns out to be scum.

2) There seem to be a decent number of people at least considering a Burb vote right now. So if there is a "real" Snape, it will probably be smarter to stay hidden and see if Burb will get lynched anyway without having to role claim.

3) If there is another "real" Snape, that would mean that scum didn't get any fake names to claim or that Burb decided to ignore those for some reason. And then he picked Snape, a huge character in the franchise that is pretty likely to be in the game as a role, and thus is a huuuge risk. I really don't see Burb taking such an insane risk, especially this early in the game, there was no reason to yet.

Good points. Honestly, I think it's mostly a moot discussion as I believe Burbs claim would just be shooting himself in the foot as mafia.

 

[Hyperactivity]

We're currently letting too many players get away with being quiet, not pressuring gem, etc. that's the reason why we don't have a decent lynch candidate

rats off to ya, flame_ac, and crab really stand out because I know all 3 are pretty fairly active

rats showed up, talked about some stuffs regarding lynching d1 and cute analysis, zip since then

same with crab
and flame_ac has done very very little, so I'd like to hear from him

VOTE: Flame_Ac

 

[Retroid]

We're currently letting too many players get away with being quiet, not pressuring gem, etc. that's the reason why we don't have a decent lynch candidate

That might be partially true, but lets not forget its only the first day. We have not much to go off of no matter what. Scum could easily vote RNG and if they did, most likely their target wouldn't even get hit. Even if everyone were extremely active today, what could they say? If you force people to talk then they might just post non-sense, and that wouldn't be something I would want to gather a read off of.

As well, I don't think anyone else will claim today. I'm sure there have been cryptic claims, but there haven't been any obvious ones, and I'm sure anyone would just deny if they were called out. I certainly am not planning on explicitly claiming.

That being said, I guess it's good to at least post what your opinion is for our collective actions today, which for myself, I don't have a firm belief other than I'd rather not lynch Burb.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

We're currently letting too many players get away with being quiet, not pressuring gem, etc. that's the reason why we don't have a decent lynch candidate

rats off to ya, flame_ac, and crab really stand out because I know all 3 are pretty fairly active

rats showed up, talked about some stuffs regarding lynching d1 and cute analysis, zip since then

same with crab
and flame_ac has done very very little, so I'd like to hear from him

VOTE: Flame_Ac

I have little to say because we have ~8 votes from 28 people. I can either a) speculate about Burbeting further, b) make empty role speculation on the basis of flavour reasons, c) continue to argue with Gorlak whch is pointless because he is wrong and won't admit it, or d) engage in those absolutely pointless arguments about whatever the fuck Blargonaut actually means.

If things aren't particularly different by tomorrow I will start voting for people who have not voted just so we actually get something but right now I'm waiting for people to do that under their own initiative.

 

[Burbeting]

For all of you people who are thinking about lynching me, I can't really blame you, Miller as a role is always a big question mark in general. I will say that I will use all might on hunting scum and work for town no matter what. But this is basically how I feel about my position:

For FlameAC, the very reasons that my Miller-ism was going to be a major stumbling block for the investigations, was the reason why I came forward about it immediately. That way no investigator needs to reveal themselves by "hey, I found burb the scum!", now that everyone knows that they would get that result from me due to my Miller role.

So...some of the more obvious roles.

I'm not really sure if it's too wise to think too far about what possible roles we have, especially since the scums don't know the roles either, so discussing them will give the scum team more information/ideas about what to expect (thinking about alignments is fine, but safe claims will be there for sure).

And no, I am not Tanner, nor am I any other sort of third party, just Hogwarts aligned Miller.

----

swamped, care to tell me why did you put Exodu5 in your "top town" list, when he had posted just two sentences long post before it? It seemed kinda weird inclusion, since at that point he had not said anything, really (which has changed now, obviously). You mentioned something about him responding to you about something, but could you point out to me what it was, because I seriously can't find it. At this point I feel like you put him there for no reason, so bit more explanation would be good.

I still wouldn't really look too much in to Blarg's posts, I guess I still feel a bit burnt by his antics in the NX game, sorry Blarg. I guess there might be something in there though, BSP made some noteworthy points.

So far this game has been kinda weird in a sense that I keep reading the topic, and thinking about things, yet what I feel is basically just like Blargonauts gif he posted in page six (of 50ppp). Hmmh.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

After thinking about it for a day, I could be willing to let burbeting slide for a day. That being said I do think we can find someone to vote on today.

I see worthyedge got banned. We could vote him out, that way when he comes back he could sub in for another game... Just saying it gets us information, and is kind of a low key way to do it.

 

[Retroid]

I see worthyedge got banned. We could vote him out, that way when he comes back he could sub in for another game... Just saying it gets us information, and is kind of a low key way to do it.

+1 on that, unless SalvePot or Nin1000 are going to bring in a replacement for him.

 

[Hyperactivity]

After thinking about it for a day, I could be willing to let burbeting slide for a day. That being said I do think we can find someone to vote on today.

I see worthyedge got banned. We could vote him out, that way when he comes back he could sub in for another game... Just saying it gets us information, and is kind of a low key way to do it.

ooff

and if we end up lynching the doctor without giving him a chance to claim?

I guess we would be keeping true to GAFIA tradition

 

[Arkos]

ooff

and if we end up lynching the doctor without giving him a chance to claim?

I guess we would be keeping true to GAFIA tradition

maybe it's like the beginning of Deathly Hallows and we'll have more clone doctors.

Can a mod chime in on what will be done with the banned player? That is a bit of a pickle

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

I don't like the idea of lynching someone who won't get the chance to defend himself...
His ban is really unfortunate though because I was just planning on pressuring him to make him talk a little more. He sure was one of the quite players so far...

We still have more than a day to decide what to do with TWE. Enough time to figure out how long his ban will be. Maybe he will get replaced immediately and his replacement will give us some more to work with. And if not we can still decide to lynch him.

TWE was not the only player falling under my radar and since it is now getting closer to the end of the day I will cast my first Vote on

Vote: MagnumBoy20xx

Hope to here more from you soon

 

[Hyperactivity]

he can communicate via outer GAFIA right?

let's ask how long his ban lasts from there

 

[SalvaPot]

About theworthyedge we should figure out how long is his ban. Otherwise I should remplace him.

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

UNVOTE

Got what I needed.

 

[TheAwesomePossum]

Burb could just be scum that made up the role. There might not even be a Miller in this game. If it was an actual role that wasn't his, then wouldn't someone interject as the "real" Snape? Of course, it could be completely real and not suspicious. If so, carry on Burb.

 

[Drago]

edit: nuking.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

Sup guys... dunno how I would verify this but Worthy was talking to me (we are good friends) and he asked me if he could post and participate through me while he is banned. Not sure if that would be allowed, but it's an option.

Ban is 2 weeks long btw.

Hahaa that's kind of funny, like you have to go undercover with polyjuice potion as long as you're banned
Well I guess it's up to the Nin/Salva to decide what to do here. If you pm them your Role PM they could easily identify you as TWE. It's fine with me but I'm not the one in charge here

 

[Arkos]

Sup guys... dunno how I would verify this but Worthy was talking to me (we are good friends) and he asked me if he could post and participate through me while he is banned. Not sure if that would be allowed, but it's an option.

Ban is 2 weeks long btw.

Drago... sounds like Draco... Lynch Worthy

 

[SalvaPot]

Sup guys... dunno how I would verify this but Worthy was talking to me (we are good friends) and he asked me if he could post and participate through me while he is banned. Not sure if that would be allowed, but it's an option.

Ban is 2 weeks long btw.

Sounds like magic. Fine by me.

 

[roytheone]

I have no problem with this idea. It always sucks if a game gets impacted by outside happenings, and I think this is a good way to mitigate the impact.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

That's fair enough. I was worried more about an extended ban.

Remember everyone, don't get banned. Juniors especially you all!

Well, I'll have to think about who to look into now.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Burb could just be scum that made up the role. There might not even be a Miller in this game. If it was an actual role that wasn't his, then wouldn't someone interject as the "real" Snape? Of course, it could be completely real and not suspicious. If so, carry on Burb.

and a tracker/motion detector/watcher sees burb once and BOOM

bye bye burb
not going to discount the possibility though, I'd scum have a tracker they might feel safe in burbeting doing this

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

I don't like the idea of lynching someone who won't get the chance to defend himself...
His ban is really unfortunate though because I was just planning on pressuring him to make him talk a little more. He sure was one of the quite players so far...

We still have more than a day to decide what to do with TWE. Enough time to figure out how long his ban will be. Maybe he will get replaced immediately and his replacement will give us some more to work with. And if not we can still decide to lynch him.

TWE was not the only player falling under my radar and since it is now getting closer to the end of the day I will cast my first Vote on

Vote: MagnumBoy20xx

Hope to here more from you soon

Vote, and you shall receive. What would you like to know?

 

[Hyperactivity]

Vote, and you shall receive. What would you like to know?

thoughts

 

[Hyperactivity]

wait, I think crab might be banned...

 

[kingkitty]

Crab is banned.

GG to everything.

 

[kingkitty]

I guess we should figure out how long his ban is...

 

[roytheone]

He got into a screaming match with someone in the PoliGAF thread.......again. He called someone a moron. This could be a long one.

 

[Arkos]

Vote, and you shall receive. What would you like to know?

thoughts

This is a lame answer. Obviously they want some input.

And Crab ban lol. All we need now is a Blarg ban. Are people communicating on GAFia or what?

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

thoughts

Well, I don't nessasrily want to lych Burb day 1 unless we have to.

We don't really have any obvious targets for lyinching right now so the only way to get more information is to cross-examne and press people. We normally begin this process with a vote so...

vote:Gorlak

First off, when the game started his first action was to immediately vote no Lynch.

Welcome, welcome, welcome ... where is everyone?

Vote: No lynch

This really isn't that big of a deal, except for the fact that he never explained why in the post.

His next post was this.

Now this is my first proper main season day 1. Can we please walk the thought of not lynching anybody? I'm entirely open-minded to any position. Throwing out random votes will achieve what exactly? I don't want to throw somebody out of this game because of previous behaviour, meta gaming is no fun.
In my heavy mafia research it was said that most online games tend to a no lynch on day 1 because of the lack of real information. Gafia history has shown we have found a way to surely lynch a doctor day 1 almost everytime The pure lack of any evidence leads me to my position right now.

Which explains his reasoning. He also claimed to be open-minded about any position, but then procedied to discount other's reasons for wanting to Lynch, claiming that they are bad examples because scum won those games and that the arguments are not convincing him.

lol, yes the games in which scum won are extremely good examples of HOW NOT TO DO IT! #scumtell

You are putting words in my mouth. Hyper claimed the scum wins are good examples of a D1 lynch. And I wholeheartedly disagree, because scum won - q.e.d.

As I said I'm still weighing the options and at least this argument does not convince me at all.



Why is it going to be different this time around? I know YOU will look at the votes, as I will do, but the vibe of "yeah, let's lynch someone for the sake of lynching (who cares about vote patterns anyway...)" is strong. With a no lynch we may give scum an option to act, but our power roles can act as well. The chance of hitting scum is minimal, losing a vanilla or PR far more likely. It's now obviously all about trusting the usefulness of vote patterns.

It was around this phase of the game that he started an argument with crab.

The more material scum have to put forward, the more difficult it is for them to remain consistent as the day goes on. If anyone tries to No Lynch today, I will do my hardest to lynch them over the next few days as it is a profoundly anti-town move.

Just lettin' y'all know.

And if you keep threatening everyone who doesn't play after your fiddle, I will do my hardest to lynch you over the next few days as it is a profoundly anti-town move.

Just lettin' u know.

Don't do a Danganronpa. Lynching me (or anyone else) because I (they) know how to play qualifies as a Bad Move. I capitalize to emphasize how Bad it is.

Please crab, stop... I... I.. I bow to you my master. With your clearly superior knowledge everyone should follow you mindlessly. Your supremacy is stunning, you even capitalize to show the dumbest of us, how dumb we are, if we question you. Only you know how to play this game, therefore we need you as our leader!

Tell us what to do?!

• D1 lynch? - Done.
• Lynching Burb? - Done.
• Capturing all muggles? - Done.
• Torturing & killing all non-followers? - Done.
• Bringing darkness upon the earth? - Done.

Please allmighty crab... I'm awaiting your orders!

/s

I realize that as I typed this crab just got banned, but still I want to know from Gorlak why he was so aggro on crab. Anyone who has read daganropa knows that crab is always pro day 1 lycnch and has a very commanding playstyle. He played the same exact way in dagonronpa, threats and all(how else would we have gotten THUNDERDOME?). I understand not wanting to be threatened, but at some point that's the only way to get info.

So TLR, Gorlak, why were you being so aggressive with crab?

Also to respond to this

This is a lame answer. Obviously they want some input.

And Crab ban lol. All we need now is a Blarg ban. Are people communicating on GAFia or what?

I was just checking to see if they wanted me to talk about something specific or just thoughts in general. Cut me some slack, this is my first fourm mafia game ever.

 

[Enker]

Which explains his reasoning. He also claimed to be open-minded about any position, but then procedied to discount other's reasons for wanting to Lynch, claiming that they are bad examples because scum won those games and that the arguments are not convincing him.

Granted, Gorlak was a sub in Archer, but we Day 1 lynched

Spoiler

the doctor

there and still won the game so he should have personal experience with the counter to his argument.

Potentially being down one extra town after day 1 will make the game slightly shorter, but it provides more information by the role reveal, so I believe the tradeoff is worth it.

 

[Bananaspaceprincess]

I was actually hoping you would tell me your favorite flavor of Bertie Botts Beans but this is also good!!

I agree with you on the Burb issue. I also don't see the need to lynch him (right now)

You have some interesting thoughts on Gorlak! His bickering with Crab really was weird to watch. I don't know what happened between them but I am curious... maybe we will get some answers.

For now

Unvote: MagnumBoy20xx



Damn I hope this ban series ends soon! I am scared to death right now to set a foot out of this thread XO

Any news on Crab yet?

 

[roytheone]

Alright, we are slowly approaching the end of the day phase, so let's poke someone I still have almost 0 read on :

vote: rynam

He has only made a single relevant post and he had to be directly asked a question by swamped before he did that. So I want to know a bit more about his thoughts.

Where do you stand on lynch Vs no lynch? What do you think about Burb his claim? Any other things you noticed?

 

[Sawneeks]

Any news on Crab yet?

He posted in Outer GAFia saying his ban ends on the 21st so it's only for a week but he would still miss the end of this Day phase and the start of the next. o:

Maybe someone not in the game can proxy for him like what Drago is doing for WorthyEdge?

 

[Rynam]

Alright, we are slowly approaching the end of the day phase, so let's poke someone I still have almost 0 read on :

vote: rynam

He has only made a single relevant post and he had to be directly asked a question by swamped before he did that. So I want to know a bit more about his thoughts.

Where do you stand on lynch Vs no lynch? What do you think about Burb his claim? Any other things you noticed?

I'm more the silent type and dont write very much if it's not really needed.
I don't really know yet what to think about the claim of Burb, but it would be really stupid not coming forward as a Miller asap because noone is gonna trust him if he's gonna be inspected an it says hes a Death Eater so for now I'm believing him.
On the Subject of Lynch vs No Lynch, I myself find it stupid to lynch someone of whom I'm unsure if he's a Death Eater or Hogwarts aligned because the chance to lynch one of the good guys is too high at least on Day1(The Bad Guys start with less guys than the good ones, or am I remembering something incorect here?). So I'm hoping that the night phase gives some more infos about the people here and a better reason to lynch someone.


vote: no lynch

 

[Blargonaut]

¬_¬

 

[Sawneeks]

I'm more the silent type and dont write very much if it's not really needed.
I don't really know yet what to think about the claim of Burb, but it would be really stupid not coming forward as a Miller asap because noone is gonna trust him if he's gonna be inspected an it says hes a Death Eater so for now I'm believing him.
On the Subject of Lynch vs No Lynch, I myself find it stupid to lynch someone of whom I'm unsure if he's a Death Eater or Hogwarts aligned because the chance to lynch one of the good guys is too high at least on Day1(The Bad Guys start with less guys than the good ones, or am I remembering something incorect here?). So I'm hoping that the night phase gives some more infos about the people here and a better reason to lynch someone.


vote: no lynch

What kind of info are you hoping comes out of the Night phase? Alignments? Roles? etc?

 

[Blargonaut]

 

[Blargonaut]

*sigh*

 

[Rynam]

What kind of info are you hoping comes out of the Night phase? Alignments? Roles? etc?

Yes, there should be some roles that can inspect others at night, or not? That's why I'm hoping that day2 will bring new/better infos on who I can trust and who not.

 

[Blargonaut]

Don't blame yourself, the first day of school is meant for slacking

 

[Lone_Prodigy]

That no lynch vote... I'm pretty sure we're leaning towards a lynch. No lynch shuts down discussion and lets scum make a free move. Any town reveals put a PR in the spotlight and they have to hit scum in the first place before coming out.

Anyway, went through the list of players and settled on LoC.

I'm still inclined to believe Burb honestly. I think there was way to much risk for him to claim this early. I feel bad for him too. It's a fucked role. Claim now and risk possible death or claim after investigation and risk certain death. Do or don't certainly.

Im not sure who to lynch today. I'm kinda leaning Blarg because of how distracting he'll be but I'm not sure enough to cast. Not enough info yet. I'll mull it over today and make a gut call.

Ill probably throw a pressure vote out later at the very least.

Let's see that pressure vote.

 

[Flame_AC]

Look at that, I think I'm tied for the lead on votes with a total of 2.

I'll address Hyperactivity's statement that I have done very little. I made my post about Burbeting, which is the only person who we have anything to go on with. I think it is in our best interest to lynch someone, it doesn't necessarily matter who it is, but I think we need to get a distraction out of the way. If Burbeting is Snape, then that's too bad, he is much like Blarg was during our Cthulhu game. Every day he survives is another day we ask if it is the correct day to lynch him. The Death Eaters have no reason to kill him as he will just siphon away our discussion as the longer he lives as a supposed "Confirmed Townie", the less likely anyone here is to believe him.

I don't believe that Burbeting is a Death Eater, but I do think that it is entirely possible. He could have worked this out with his fellow members and decided that our town would be too afraid to lynch someone with such a believable claim. They would think that we want to keep someone with a role alive. Naturally, they would never kill their own member and so he would live on every day, always drawing discussion away from other topics of that day. I couldn't think of a more valuable use of a Death Eater than to draw all of a day's discussion away from his fellow Mafia. They would know that we are careful not to lynch someone like Snape right away, and so they have at least a couple of days until it's a real possibility.

I think that Burb is our best choice by far as he is simply going to be a distraction, Hogwarts or Death Eater, and that to save him for Day 2 or any other day is to throw away meaningful discussion. I understand why you came out early, assuming you're pro-Hogwarts, not wanting to trip up an investigator, but I think you coming out now will trip up any day in which you are alive.

Vote: Burbeting

 

[Kalor]

Yes, there should be some roles that can inspect others at night, or not? That's why I'm hoping that day2 will bring new/better infos on who I can trust and who not.

Those people who get inspection results likely won't reveal themselves tomorrow since they don't want to reveal themselves so early. Day 3 is the typical time where people might start claiming with those details.

 

[Rynam]

Those people who get inspection results likely won't reveal themselves tomorrow since they don't want to reveal themselves so early. Day 3 is the typical time where people might start claiming with those details.

Yeah, but I hope some people will write differently than on day one and give some hints etc.

 

[Flame_AC]

Yeah, but I hope some people will write differently than on day one and give some hints etc.

It's a good idea in theory, but it will be hard to discern differences in posting styles from Day 1 to Day 2 as almost everyone will be acting differently after the first lynch and whatever happens at night. That's when the real game starts.

 

[Sawneeks]

Going to follow L_P's example..

Swamped, I'm still curious as to how you picked your Dumbledore fan club members.

Yes, there should be some roles that can inspect others at night, or not? That's why I'm hoping that day2 will bring new/better infos on who I can trust and who not.

I think it's a safe bet to assume we have a Cop somewhere in this game but I don't think they would spill their findings tomorrow if they did happen to hit Scum. If they claimed tomorrow and pointed out scum we would vote out the Scum and the alleged Cop would more than likely be Night killed very shortly afterwards for revealing their role. The most we are probably going to get is the Role of whoever we lynch today and maybe 1 more if Scum kill someone during the Night.

We are basically going to be flying blind here for a while and we are going to make some mistakes along the way, that's unavoidable, but we can't wait and let Scum make the first move for us.

Are you still for a No Lynch?

I think that Burb is our best choice by far as he is simply going to be a distraction, Hogwarts or Death Eater, and that to save him for Day 2 or any other day is to throw away meaningful discussion. I understand why you came out early, assuming you're pro-Hogwarts, not wanting to trip up an investigator, but I think you coming out now will trip up any day in which you are alive.

We still have a Day and a half worth of discussion left to us to discover who we wish to vote for but as it stands right now I'm still not comfortable voting out Burb. If it comes down to it I probably will just because this is Day 1 and I would rather mislynch now instead of way later but voting him out feels very safe. It's an easy bandwagon for Scum to jump on and leaves us with little to work with, not to mention the possibility that Burb is telling the truth and all we will learn from his role is that a miller existed. If another candidate pops up today I would much rather vote for them than Burb and then leave him until another Day.

 

[Flame_AC]

We still have a Day and a half worth of discussion left to us to discover who we wish to vote for but as it stands right now I'm still not comfortable voting out Burb. If it comes down to it I probably will just because this is Day 1 and I would rather mislynch now instead of way later but voting him out feels very safe. It's an easy bandwagon for Scum to jump on and leaves us with little to work with, not to mention the possibility that Burb is telling the truth and all we will learn from his role is that a miller existed. If another candidate pops up today I would much rather vote for them than Burb and then leave him until another Day.

I agree with you that it'd be great to have a better target than Burb, but I think it will be hard to have someone else reveal themselves so long as Burb is on the hotseat. If another candidate pops up, of course we'd all change our votes. I think you're right in saying it is a safe vote, but that can be a good thing on a Day 1 in a game supposedly filled with power roles.