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[MagnumBoy20xx]

Okay, I have to make a note here for everyone, this is something that has been bugging me.

Do not vote by what the concensus thinks, vote how YOU think (at least for starters).

Saying stuff like "I will vote player X, if everyone does even though I kinda don't want to" is just a sign that said player does not want to take responsibility from their vote.

Now, sometimes players do need to take a side on things, but even then said player needs to take responsibility from their voting. At least Flame is really set on voting me, he is not saying "oh I'll vote you even though I don't think that's a good idea."

People, take responsibility at your votes when you do. Otherwise you get scumpoints from me, at least.

I guess that I should apologize then. This being my first game, I have been trying to play it safe. I think that I should trust my gut more and take some chances, that way we can get more info and try to really win this.

With all of that said

vote: Rats Off To Ya

 

[Flame_AC]

Okay, I have to make a note here for everyone, this is something that has been bugging me.

Do not vote by what the concensus thinks, vote how YOU think (at least for starters).

Saying stuff like "I will vote player X, if everyone does even though I kinda don't want to" is just a sign that said player does not want to take responsibility from their vote.

Now, sometimes players do need to take a side on things, but even then said player needs to take responsibility from their voting. At least Flame is really set on voting me, he is not saying "oh I'll vote you even though I don't think that's a good idea."

People, take responsibility at your votes when you do. Otherwise you get scumpoints from me, at least.

I agree with this, everyone who is bandwagoning Rats! is looking quite suspicious to me. There could easily be scum hiding in this lynch train since it's such an obvious vote for those that haven't taken a side on Burb yet.

 

[TheExodu5]

UNVOTE: Rats Off To Ya

Sounds like you aren't going to tell us your role beforehand, but I intend to keep my promise that I will vote for you if you change your mind. I urge everyone who trusts me right now not to vote for Rats Off To Ya as I think that it is not the right choice, although I can't explain why.

I'm kind of with you.

I can't for the life of me think of a downside to him revealing his role's power. Town should outnumber scum in any vote, so I'm sure we can all commit to killing him if we agree that he is indeed a liability alive.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I'm soooo curious about this...but I really can't for the life of me think of why Rats divulging his power could be used against us, and how lynching him is good for town. I haven't decided if I'm voting for him yet.

This is not the most ordinary of games, these aren't the most ordinary of circumstances.

I believe Rats, and think it's better just to trust him right now

 

[Flame_AC]

I agree with those urging people who are voting Rats! to wait until he reveals his role. If it is truly something that will damage the town, then we'll lynch him. All of you running to Rats! are just following a consensus and not necessarily your own views.

 

[TheExodu5]

Actually, I may have guessed what Rats role is.

He's Lupin, or something of the sort.

His power is to kill anyone who investigates him at night. Which sounds like a great scum cover...which is how it could be used against him. Scum brews mistrust to keep him alive today, and he remains a strong suspect moving forward.

That being said, if this were the case, I feel confident that we can pull together and manage 50% on a vote.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I agree with those urging people who are voting Rats! to wait until he reveals his role. If it is truly something that will damage the town, then we'll lynch him. All of you running to Rats! are just following a consensus and not necessarily your own views.

I'm sorry, but I can decide my own views for myself, and I've decided I trust Rats in this

See the thing is as long as your alive people are going to keep talking about you all throughout the days ahead. It's in my opinion the best for us all if we 1) see if you're telling the truth which you may be! 2) we know what you are and we can move on, without sticking on that subject for a while

For those non lynching today: WHY?

I have a good feeling Drago will be joining Gafia by the end of this.

 

[Sawneeks]

It's not a common role but we have had an instance in a past Mafia game where a person was never allowed to speak about their role at all or they would lose part of their power. StarSketch in GAF Mafia was not allowed to vote during the Day Phase but was NK immune, however if she even spoke about why she didn't vote she would lose her immunity. Seeing as this game is an 8 on the crazy scale I wouldn't be surprised if their was a variant of that in play and it's something to keep in mind.

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

 

[Burbeting]

I agree with those urging people who are voting Rats! to wait until he reveals his role. If it is truly something that will damage the town, then we'll lynch him. All of you running to Rats! are just following a consensus and not necessarily your own views.

I will say that my vote came from my own thoughts, and not from the concensus, so I will keep my vote for now. I don't see how Rats could be a scum, so I'm inclined to believe him.

However, yes. If you are just following just the concensus, rethink. But I don't agree with Flame, who jumped quickly to the conclusion that everyone voting rats to not have used their own brains either.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Actually, I may have guessed what Rats role is.

He's Lupin, or something of the sort.

His power is to kill anyone who investigates him at night. Which sounds like a great scum cover...which is how it could be used against him. Scum brews mistrust to keep him alive today, and he remains a strong suspect moving forward.

That being said, if this were the case, I feel confident that we can pull together and manage 50% on a vote.

In any case it can only be beneficial to vote for him

Please, any of you worried about Rats role, tell me a situation where voting for Rats isn't ideal. I highly doubt he's our cop or doctor right now

 

[Swamped]

Actually, I may have guessed what Rats role is.

He's Lupin, or something of the sort.

His power is to kill anyone who investigates him at night. Which sounds like a great scum cover...which is how it could be used against him. Scum brews mistrust to keep him alive today, and he remains a strong suspect moving forward.

That being said, if this were the case, I feel confident that we can pull together and manage 50% on a vote.

We don't have to have 50% on the vote. If Rats is the player with the most votes at the end of the day phase, he automatically gets lynched even if he doesn't have all 15 votes on him or whatever.

I'll be keeping my vote on LoC for now, just so it remains on the record.

 

[Flame_AC]

It's not a common role but we have had an instance in a past Mafia game where a person was never allowed to speak about their role at all or they would lose part of their power. StarSketch in GAF Mafia was not allowed to vote during the Day Phase but was NK immune, however if she even spoke about why she didn't vote she would lose her immunity. Seeing as this game is an 8 on the crazy scale I wouldn't be surprised if their was a variant of that in play and it's something to keep in mind.

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

And if he's going to die anyways, who cares if his role gets weakened?

 

[TheExodu5]

It's not a common role but we have had an instance in a past Mafia game where a person was never allowed to speak about their role at all or they would lose part of their power. StarSketch in GAF Mafia was not allowed to vote during the Day Phase but was NK immune, however if she even spoke about why she didn't vote she would lose her immunity. Seeing as this game is an 8 on the crazy scale I wouldn't be surprised if their was a variant of that in play and it's something to keep in mind.

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

I suppose that's a possibility.

Could there be a possibility that there's a scum who does something bad when they die? Of course, if that were the case, then I don't see why they'd reveal it now...better do it later to take heat off scum (and I don't believe Burb is scum).

I guess I feel pretty safe in doing so.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Let's run through the possibilities:

I'm Town: I have no reason to be lying.

I'm scum: Whatever gambit I'm trying to pull, you'll have to lynch me at some point.

I'm neatral: same as the above.

Just trust me on this one, guys. I'd have no reason to do this if my intentions weren't noble.

 

[Hyperactivity]

It's not a common role but we have had an instance in a past Mafia game where a person was never allowed to speak about their role at all or they would lose part of their power. StarSketch in GAF Mafia was not allowed to vote during the Day Phase but was NK immune, however if she even spoke about why she didn't vote she would lose her immunity. Seeing as this game is an 8 on the crazy scale I wouldn't be surprised if their was a variant of that in play and it's something to keep in mind.

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

But that involved her not being able to even say that, so I doubt its that case.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Just curious, what's the vote count currently?
The mod tool isn't working for me.

 

[TheExodu5]

And if he's going to die anyways, who cares if his role gets weakened?

Part of his power may be in death?

 

[TheExodu5]

Just curious, what's the vote count currently?
The mod tool isn't working for me.

Mod tool?

 

[Flame_AC]

From the tool and a fresh recount.
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Day 1 votes

no lynch (0)
gorlak 105 (436)
rynam 337 (412)
theexodu5 391 (513)
retroid 401 (484)

rynam (0)
hyperactivity 109 (305)
roytheone 335 (386)
zippedpinhead 389 (461)

burbeting (5)
thegoddamn 159
crab 162
blargonaut 168 (296)
flame_ac 345
kingkitty 398
drago 485

flame_ac (0)
kalor 167 (497)
hyperactivity 305 (358)

theawesomepossum (0)
kingkitty 251 (294)

sawneeks (0)
swamped 265 (438)

arkos (0)
lone_prodigy 281 (316)

magnumboy20xx (0)
bananaspaceprincess 313 (334)

gorlak (0)
magnumboy20xx 332 (356)

hyperactivity (0)
kingkitty 361 (398)

matt attack (0)
lord of castamere 364 (383)

swamped (0)
burbeting 388 (444)

lord of castamere (2)
blargonaut 394
swamped 438

blargonaut (2)
roytheone 420
gorlak 436

rats off to ya (7)
hyperactivity 475
retroid 484 (500)
burbeting 487
kawl_usc 488
rynam 495
kalor 497
magnumboy20xx 501
theexodu5 513

retroid (1)
zippedpinhead 482

 

[Hyperactivity]

I just want to get this concern out of the way right now:

If anyone thinks I'm posting too much, just tell me. I get into the habit of posting a BUNCH when I'm posting/in the mood

Just curious, what's the vote count currently?
The mod tool isn't working for me.

The mod tool updates every page.

So it should be updated up to post 501 right now

 

[Burbeting]

I suppose that's a possibility.

Could there be a possibility that there's a scum who does something bad when they die? Of course, if that were the case, then I don't see why they'd reveal it now...better do it later to take heat off scum (and I don't believe Burb is scum).

I guess I feel pretty safe in doing so.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya

I don't think Rats is a scum who is giving himself on a silver platter, for these reasons:

When I am town (which I am): Sacrificing a scum just to make a Miller look suspicious? That's just stupid play from scums.

If I was scum (which I'm not): If Rat's flipped scum, it would make me look more suspicious, and that would be two scums down quickly. That would be also extra stupid play.

Now, there could be a scum role, that would so something bad when dying (like lynch bomb), but that would be saved until the last possible moment for maximum impact, not on D1.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

Mod tool?

This thing hyper mentioned.

http://rfnx.ddns.net/mafia/index.html

Takes a little time to recount though, but this is the tool mods are using

 

[Retroid]

Actually, I may have guessed what Rats role is.

He's Lupin, or something of the sort.

His power is to kill anyone who investigates him at night. Which sounds like a great scum cover...which is how it could be used against him. Scum brews mistrust to keep him alive today, and he remains a strong suspect moving forward.

That being said, if this were the case, I feel confident that we can pull together and manage 50% on a vote.

I don't think that would be the case. If it were, he could just tell us not to use a power on him at night because bad things will happen.

 

[Burbeting]

And once again, that Crab vote was taken off.

I guess it always needs to be taken off manually.

 

[TheExodu5]

I don't think that would be the case. If it were, he could just tell us not to use a power on him at night because bad things will happen.

Who would say that but scum? Sounds like a likely scum cover: "Don't investigate me or you'll die!". Hence why in that case he wouldn't want to tell us his power.

Not that it really matters...I'm just trying to think of what his power could possibly be. And that's the likely scenario in my head that makes sense to me.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

First

unvote

Retroid voted, so no reason to vote for him. Also it appears that there are no more "no lynch" people today.

I can get behind pushing for rats, but I'm not going to help tunnel him out without at least a chance for him to explain his ability.

If this is another game where everyone has an ability except for me...

 

[Retroid]

Who would say that but scum? Sounds like a likely scum cover: "Don't investigate me or you'll die!". Hence why in that case he wouldn't want to tell us his power.

Not that it really matters...I'm just trying to think of what his power could possibly be. And that's the likely scenario in my head that makes sense to me.

Yeah, but if he revealed his role and that was it, it would give us a real reason to get rid of him now. That is much worse than someone's role coming up as the opposite when investigated.

 

[Sawneeks]

And if he's going to die anyways, who cares if his role gets weakened?

'Variant', he could become stronger/uncontrollable or, as Rats alluded to, could be used against Town by Scum. He talked about answering a question previous asked in the thread about roles and seeing as he could be dangerous I think there can be a safe assumption he is Lupin.

I suppose that's a possibility.

Could there be a possibility that there's a scum who does something bad when they die? Of course, if that were the case, then I don't see why they'd reveal it now...better do it later to take heat off scum (and I don't believe Burb is scum).

I guess I feel pretty safe in doing so.

Vote: Rats Off To Ya

It's always a possibility, even something like a Tanner that everyone loves to hate. We won't know for certain until a person is lynched/killed.

But that involved her not being able to even say that, so I doubt its that case.

She couldn't talk specifics, aka what Rats is doing now.

 

[Retroid]

Retroid voted, so no reason to vote for him.

I unvoted, and plan to no lynch if Rat doesn't reveal his role.

I really hope everyone does the same as me, which is to promise to vote for Rat if he reveals his role and the reason why we should vote for him. This way, anyone who doesn't follow through can be held accountable.

I find it hard to believe there would be a role with so much power that it could ultimately ruin the game in one day.

 

[TheExodu5]

If this is another game where everyone has an ability except for me...

This may be the first suspicious post I've seen since the game started.

 

[Matt Attack]

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

It's not like I'm 100% against voting him out, but I'm usually apprehensive about voting out people who are likely to be town (and he probably is, because if this is a scum play then wow). If has to be between Rats and Burb, then I would prefer to vote out Rats because I know he's a strong player- if he says that he's a liability, then I'll take his word on it.

If this is another game where everyone has an ability except for me...

A role claim? Really?

 

[Sawneeks]

Also a general question for those who don't want to vote Rats, why? What are you afraid of?

A few of you didn't answer my question. Retroid? Flame?

I unvoted, and plan to no lynch if Rat doesn't reveal his role.

I really hope everyone does the same as me, which is to promise to vote for Rat if he reveals his role and the reason why we should vote for him. This way, anyone who doesn't follow through can be held accountable.

I find it hard to believe there would be a role with so much power that it could ultimately ruin the game in one day.

Rats never said that, he just said it would make it harder to Town to win.

We don't have to have 50% on the vote. If Rats is the player with the most votes at the end of the day phase, he automatically gets lynched even if he doesn't have all 15 votes on him or whatever.

I'll be keeping my vote on LoC for now, just so it remains on the record.

Aw come on Swamped, join in the fun of deciding who to murder.

Between Burb and Rats who do you think should be lynched?

 

[TheExodu5]

Sorry guys, sorry Rats, I think I have to do this.

Vote: Zippedpinhead

A masked role-claim for no reason whatsoever.

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I unvoted, and plan to no lynch if Rat doesn't reveal his role.

I really hope everyone does the same as me, which is to promise to vote for Rat if he reveals his role and the reason why we should vote for him. This way, anyone who doesn't follow through can be held accountable.

I find it hard to believe there would be a role with so much power that it could ultimately ruin the game in one day.

I learned my lesson from last game. Think twice when someone is saying something and wants to lynch a specific person for everyone's benefit (without explicitly stating that benefit). There is a difference between testing a theory, and from accidentally unleashing a serial killer...

 

[Retroid]

Rats never said that, he just said it would make it harder to Town to win.

I wasn't suggesting he did, more suggesting that by him not revealing his role, he is telling me that the role can cause havoc in one day and that we won't be able to get rid of him after the fact.

 

[Matt Attack]

Sorry guys, sorry Rats, I think I have to do this.

Vote: Zippedpinhead

A masked role-claim for no reason whatsoever.

I don't think this is wise either. I wouldn't say it's a "masked claim", because if Zipped is scum then he would know we'd see it. I just think that role claiming even something as mundane as an ordinary role makes things easier for the Death Eaters when they choose their targets.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I learned my lesson from last game. Think twice when someone is saying something and wants to lynch a specific person for everyone's benefit (without explicitly stating that benefit). There is a difference between testing a theory, and from accidentally unleashing a serial killer...

Except he's trying to lynch himself...

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

Rats Off To Ya (6)
Hyperactivity
Retroid
Burbeting
Kawl_USC
Rynam
Kalor
MagnumBoy20xx
TheExodu5

Burbeting (4)
TheGoddamn
Crab
Blargonaut
Flame_AC
kingkitty
TheWorthyEdge

Blargonaut (2)
roytheone
Gorlak

Lord of Castamere (2)
Blargonaut
Swamped

Zippedpinhead (1)
TheExodu5

Sawneeks (0)
Swamped

Retroid (0)
Zippedpinhead

MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Bananaspaceprincess

TheAwesomePossum (0)
kingkitty

Flame_AC (0)
Kalor
Hyperactivity

Hyperactivity (0)
kingkitty

Arkos (0)
Lone_Prodigy

Gorlak (0)
MagnumBoy20xx

Matt Attack (0)
Lord of Castamere

No Lynch (0)
Gorlak
Rynam
TheExodu5
Retroid

Swamped (0)
Burbeting

Rynam (0)
Hyperactivity
roytheone
Zippedpinhead


No active vote for Day 1:
Arkos
Bananaspaceprincess (has previously voted)
Christina Mackenzie
Crab (has previously voted)
Enker
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
Lord of Castamere (has previously voted)
Matt Attack
Rats Off To Ya
Retroid (has previously voted)
Sawneeks
TheAwesomePossum
Zippedpinhead (has previously voted)



Day 1 ends:

15 votes for majority

 

[Zippedpinhead]

Sorry guys, sorry Rats, I think I have to do this.

Vote: Zippedpinhead

A masked role-claim for no reason whatsoever.

It's ridiculous, third game in a row as just a non-ability Hogwarts (read town) aligned character.

It's not for "no reason" it's a theory, we have two people who have role pained a power day 1, we've never had that before. My theory is that most of us have power roles, or death information, or something, and it stinks to not have one. I'm complaining about my luck.

 

[MagnumBoy20xx]

It's ridiculous, third game in a row as just a non-ability Hogwarts (read town) aligned character.

It's not for "no reason" it's a theory, we have two people who have role pained a power day 1, we've never had that before. My theory is that most of us have power roles, or death information, or something, and it stinks to not have one. I'm complaining about my luck.

What's your role name?

 

[Sawneeks]

I wasn't suggesting he did, more suggesting that by him not revealing his role, he is telling me that the role can cause havoc in one day and that we won't be able to get rid of him after the fact.

Then it's even more of a reason to lynch him now instead of later yet you still don't want to vote for him. Why?

 

[Zippedpinhead]

I will vote before the day is out. Likely for burb or rats (assuming the votes don't swing drastically one way or another). I'm going to think it through before I throw my vote on a miller or someone who wants us to kill him...

 

[Hyperactivity]

Sorry guys, sorry Rats, I think I have to do this.

Vote: Zippedpinhead

A masked role-claim for no reason whatsoever.

Hmm

That is annoying, although he might be trying to play WIFOM

Just gonna get this out of my chest:

An ordinary can still be useful, especially a mysterious one, especially if they divert Death Eaters away from the power roles

 

[Flame_AC]

A few of you didn't answer my question. Retroid? Flame?

I think that we have a better target in Burb as all we're going to do on Day 2, barring some new information from an investigator or otherwise, we'll be back to Burb. I'd rather do him today and then we can evaluate Rats! tomorrow after seeing what a night in this game is like.

 

[Hyperactivity]

It's ridiculous, third game in a row as just a non-ability Hogwarts (read town) aligned character.

It's not for "no reason" it's a theory, we have two people who have role pained a power day 1, we've never had that before. My theory is that most of us have power roles, or death information, or something, and it stinks to not have one. I'm complaining about my luck.

Dude, ordinaries can still be really useful, and you're just making this easier for the death eaters

And we have had this before, in both NX and Election Mafia

 

[Zippedpinhead]

What's your role name?

And tell scum what to look for between having a named role and a non-powered role?

Look at "Severus Snape". He appears as a death eater, but is Hogwarts aligned. This tells me two things,

1: that town (Hogwarts) has a role that can tell alignment
&
2: that there is likely a role (maybe even one each for town and scum) that can see a person's "name"

So no more names today.

 

[Hyperactivity]

What's your role name?

I swear if it ends up being that ordinary has a different name that the sample one given you've just made scum's job easier

ORDINARY IS A PERFECTLY FINE ROLE GUYS

 

[Lord of Castamere]

LoC is also worrying me, he says he believes Burb, but is also pushing others to vote for him.


He also talks about lynching Blarg, who I think is too easy of a target.

Hmm...I actually wanted to vote for Rats, because he hasn't really done anything of note, and I expected him to be more active (in another game he said he was not good at D1's, but even in that game he was more active, and even posted a reads list). Pretty much all he has done is agree with some posts others made. But I think I'll vote for LoC instead.

I think you misread my posts. I've said that odds are good Burb is telling the truth but that there's a slim chance he isn't. When it comes down to it killing a known weak role is better than randomly hitting a possibly powerful one. Plus, as I said, he could be neutral too. All possibilities. I don't see no lynch as an option and he's our best choice for day 1.

Blarg is still a distraction but not as much as in Chulthu. Easy or not, if it continues I will continue pushing for him to be lynched. I also don't know how to respond to his vote against me, so I won't

VOTE: Burbeting

 

[Hyperactivity]

And tell scum what to look for between having a named role and a non-powered role?

Look at "Severus Snape". He appears as a death eater, but is Hogwarts aligned. This tells me two things,

1: that town (Hogwarts) has a role that can tell alignment
&
2: that there is likely a role (maybe even one each for town and scum) that can see a person's "name"

So no more names today.

So you're saying we have an alignment cop AND a role cop?

 

[Enker]

Burbeting, I mentioned that I believe you are Snape but I don’t know if that is good or bad for us. However, after thinking about it, I do not want to vote for “Snape” because you’re probably hiding some role power that’s good for Town. Hopefully we’ll see it assuming Scum doesn’t NK you. My guess at the moment is that you have an Agreement to protect Draco while both he and Dumbledore still live. If you were a cop (or secret doctor given the Potion Master abilities) you probably wouldn’t have role claimed.

Also, if we had all voted for you before, then Rats would not have had the chance to volunteer. As I am another person who will be unable to participate on Monday during the mad rush to the bell, I need to vote tonight as my final vote. If someone’s asking to die, especially on Day 1, why?

I believe that if Rats was playing a Scum gambit to protect Burbeting, the volunteer would have happened pages ago. So, likely Town and as such has no reason to lie to us.

VOTE: Rats Off To Ya

That said, I’m around for a few more hours and if something more convincing pops up reserve the right to change my vote.