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Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| “Yer a werewolf, ‘Arry”

Why am I getting singled out for the Blarg distraction crap when I haven't even voted for him? I mentioned voting for him once, and have admitted that he's not as bad this game. Still not good, but not as bad.

It's his own damn fault. All 3 games(didn't read NX) he's played the same, town or no, and first two games he helped scum more than town. That is a fact. It's too early to tell who he'll help this game but history tends to repeat

To be fair, he subbed in in election and it was the other two town getting caught in his reputation despite him being overall serious that lost the game.

That, and the lack of karkadorian math making one stray vote in a lylo a game over for town
 

Sawneeks

Banned
I'm a firm believer in a good Reads List before bed is the key to a good nights sleep so before I run off I'm going to go type that up and place down my final vote.

I'll admit that I haven't been paying the closest attention to the game in anticipation of this move of mine.

With that said, I'm getting strong Town vibes from you, Hyper, and Burb.

I'm wary of anybody pushing another player as a "distraction" that has to be lynched. It's a convenient excuse for scum to hide behind, as GAFia history has shown. Flame and LoC stick out as examples, but there have been others. You're stronger than that, Hogwarts.

I'm not sure exactly what Retroid is playing at, but his intentions seem pure enough.

Awesome, thanks Rats.

What strange branch of magic be that?

It's a sub-genre of Defense Against the Dark Arts.
 
Beware the crazy girl claiming Serious.

SWAMPED IS SERIOUS?!?

Omg, first Giant Squid, now Blarg is claiming Sirius Black?!

I AM SIRIUS?!??

To be fair, he subbed in in election and it was the other two town getting caught in his reputation despite him being overall serious that lost the game.

That, and the lack of karkadorian math making one stray vote in a lylo a game over for town

I'M ALWAYS SERIOUS.

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I was expecting this. Yeah, sry, I'm not Sirius Black. I'm assuming that you saw my 'not a dog person' line and came to that conclusion via the dog -> Sirius, the Dog Star -> Sirius Black association or something else as mildly esoteric like that, but that line of mine was purely an off-hand sly response to the Lupin/Werewolf talk thrown my way, with that intended effect in mind. Please, I'm not that transparent. Like, B- for effort, though. Keep trying. Seriously.




ahhhhh you're not crazy Swamped, pls don't Hutt me ;_;





But, like, calling me serious is crazy tho







Sirius, I meant










yes, I apologize for making this entire corny overdone pun joke too
 

Sawneeks

Banned
It's the half-assed reads list of the Day! I'm too lazy to go reread the whole Day so this is all off the top of my head and it's probably far from accurate but eh whatever.

01 [m] Retroid - New - Town. Is willing to make his point known and defend it. Unlikely to be Scum due to how active he is.
02 [m] MagnumBoy20xx - New - Unsure. Not very committal and sits in the middle of topics with room to back down if pressured.
03 [m] Kawl_USC - New - Probably Town. Good ideas and explains himself fully.
04 [m] Rynam - New - Unsure. Scum? VERY quiet, might just be new player syndrome.
05 [m] TheExodu5 - New - Town? Is unsure of what to do as it is his first game but participates a lot.
06 [f] Swamped - VERY quiet, more so than normal. No hard stances, acting a lot in the background. Her big play was her Dumbledore Army which fell away pretty fast. Go with my gut; NEVER trust Swamped. Scum?
07 [m] Arkos - Unknown. No read.
08 [f] bananaspaceprincess - Unknown. No read.
09 [m] TheWorthyEdge - Got banned. Unknown.
10 [m] Gorlak - VERY aggressive towards Crab and then...nothing. Connected to Crab somehow?
11 [m] Hyperactivity - A level head and can figure things out, willing to take stances. Town.
12 [m] Flame_AC - Tunneling Townie? Good ideas but is stuck on a Burb lynch because he believes Town is too inept to stop talking about him. Doubtful he is Scum because of how active he is.
13 [-] Enker - Uknown. No read.
14 [m] TheAwesomePossum - Unknown. No Read.
15 [m] Burbeting - Miller - Claims Miller at the start and asks to be lynched or at least to be clear. Due to how early the claim is and how forthcoming he is I believe him. If he is not Town then a Neutral Tanner.
16 [m] Matt Attack - Town? Quiet but it’s how he plays.
17 [m] Rats Off To Ya - unknown anti-town PR - Quiet and then claims a Town PR than can become detrimental to Town if he is left alive. Asks to be lynched. Town unless he is another Neutral.
18 [m] Crab - Banned again, lol.
19 [m] kingkitty - Something is bothering me here and I can’t place it. Quiet, noncommittal, and generally feels ‘off’.
20 [m] Blargonaut - What?
21 [m] Kalor - Hard to tell.
22 [m] TheGoddamn - Only posted like once???
23 [m] Lord of Castamere - Also strange but I can't really place it. Unsure.
24 [m] Christina Mackenzie - Town? Can never quite read him but no scum vibes.
25 [m] Lone_Prodigy - Town? No scum vibes really.
26 [m] roytheone - Something is wrong, just like Swamped. Quiet, noncommittal, is not taking an active stance or fight. VERY unlike GAFia Town Roy. Scum?
27 [m] Zippedpinhead - STILL can’t read you
28 [f] Sawneeks -

Vote: Rats Off To Ya

And I'm gone, have fun guys~!
 
It's the half-assed reads list of the Day! I'm too lazy to go reread the whole Day so this is all off the top of my head and it's probably far from accurate but eh whatever.



Vote: Rats Off To Ya

And I'm gone, have fun guys~!

I'd like to advise against activity and inactivity forming the base for town and scum reads. For now, people who we don't have a read on are often the best options to pressure, and its true that high activity scum will sooner or later trip over themselves, but it shouldn't form the full breadth when it comes to reading other players
 

nin1000

Banned
Day 1 votes

no lynch (1)
gorlak 105 (436)
rynam 337 (412)
theexodu5 391 (513)
retroid 401 (484)
retroid 586

rynam (0)
hyperactivity 109 (305)
roytheone 335 (386)
zippedpinhead 389 (461)

burbeting (2)
thegoddamn 159
crab 162
blargonaut 168 (296)
flame_ac 345
kingkitty 398 (596)
lord of castamere 548 (603)

flame_ac (0)
kalor 167 (497)
hyperactivity 305 (358)

theawesomepossum (0)
kingkitty 251 (294)

sawneeks (0)
swamped 265 (438)

arkos (0)
lone_prodigy 281 (316)

magnumboy20xx (0)
bananaspaceprincess 313 (334)

gorlak (0)
magnumboy20xx 332 (356)

hyperactivity (1)
kingkitty 361 (398)
blargonaut 628 (636)
christina mackenzie 666

matt attack (0)
lord of castamere 364 (383)

swamped (0)
burbeting 388 (444)

lord of castamere (1)
blargonaut 394 (610)
swamped 438

blargonaut (3)
roytheone 420
gorlak 436
theawesomepossum 580 (625)
kawl_usc 676

rats off to ya (12)
hyperactivity 475 (656)
retroid 484 (500)
burbeting 487
kawl_usc 488 (627)
rynam 495
kalor 497
magnumboy20xx 501
theexodu5 513 (533)
enker 550
theexodu5 594
kingkitty 596
lord of castamere 603
sawneeks 606 (675)
zippedpinhead 621
theawesomepossum 625
blargonaut 636 (637)
matt attack 662
sawneeks 712

retroid (0)
zippedpinhead 482 (526)

zippedpinhead (0)
theexodu5 533 (594)

rats off to you (0)
zippedpinhead 620 (621)

kawl_usc (0)
blargonaut 685 (686)


Votes required to reach majority: 15.
 
I'd like to advise against activity and inactivity forming the base for town and scum reads. For now, people who we don't have a read on are often the best options to pressure, and its true that high activity scum will sooner or later trip over themselves, but it shouldn't form the full breadth when it comes to reading other players

There will likely be one relatively active scum (when other active players are knocked off he/she will step into a more influential role) and the rest will be low-to-moderate (not low enough to be useless or a centre of attention).

But it's Day 1. Everyone is suspicious.
 
I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier.

Don't lynch Rats.

28 person game and he wants to be lynched Day 1? Adamant that if he claims we STILL lynch him? Does he have that little faith in us? Is his role THAT detrimental to the town? Cthulhu, town lost doctor and cop early, still won. NX, cop and jailer died first day, and town almost won. We lose a PR, that will suck. But we have numbers, and if Rats stays, as a strong town player, we can use him, even if he's inadvertently killing PR's left and right.

Unless he can be converted to a Death Eater, in which case lynch away.

No one would bow out so easily just to save a townie or two. The other alternative I can think of (besides lynch bomb but that's a survival tactic) is that he WANTS to be killed/lynched so that he can come back stronger. You know, kind of like how Voldemort was "killed", but just lost his physical form so he could go around possessing people and wreaking havoc. Yes, don't look at flavour, yada yada.

So yeah, don't lynch Rats. Heck, I'd prefer a no lynch instead.
 
LOL guys... I was just getting used to the nice and slow pace of this game... :p

Interesting turn of events!

With only 3 more votes needed for majority I will not vote for Rats right now. Some of you mentioned that he might not be allowed to talk about his role. Probably true. If that's not true I don't see a reason why he doesn't at least leave us some hints to work with.

As for his power I remember that in Election that very own SalvaPot claimed to be kind of a bomb-man who gets informed if someone visits him and then can use the command OOPS and blow his visitor up... It wasn't true back then but I wonder if he took this idea over to his own game.... With that in mind Rats is dangerous for town and should be lynched today.

But as I said I don't see a need to rush things now. And there are players who were not talking a lot lately. The one that sticks out to me the most is TheGoddamn. You've been waaaayy to quite this game so far.You had your vote on Burb and that's why your inactivity might have been overseen but it doesn't change the fact that you only posted twice in this game so far!! Please chime in and give us your thoughts on the recent events!!

Vote: TheGoddamn
 

Gorlak

Banned
Hey,
weekend was busy. Here I am. The pleasent anticipation of the game was real, I still am excited to be here and play :)

I like to take a different view at things, a good town is a town which considers every possibility and does not vote because it's easy. My no lynch proposal sparked early discussion and was my way of starting the game. Burb's claim offered another opportunity to get to know the crowd in here. And over the weekend discussion shifted to Rats.

Now with Rats offer I have a problem. Many people are willingly jumping at the wagon, because he has to be town. Besides his vigorous "pro lynch" argument there was nothing special from him, I don't understand why some see him as town. Well, he could very well be town and upfront with us, but this is mafia. Does nobody have the imagination to see something bad coming out of this? Scum being wanted to be lynched? Being more powerful in death? I'm not the one to simply swallow "I'm town as fuck".
One important note: He is essentially saving Burb today. I don't know if this is his intention, but a result of his claim nonetheless. In post 158 and 263 he says he believes Burb, and yesterday he claimed. I don't know if this is good/bad/intended but we have to keep in mind this will happen if we follow through his plan.

Rats: My guess is, you soft claimed Lupin/werewolf and will kill somebody every other night without having a control about it. Maybe scum can force you to lose control. You vaguely talk about your info being used against you. Maybe people would have different opinions about your lynch if you reveal yourself? Some will probably not see you as dangerous enough to lynch you? The override is a classic and basically creating a theoretical worry in your favour.
Would you lynch any random person in here if he/she came up with the exact same claim as you did? Would you trust anybody with such a claim?
If you came to your decision before the game, why did you wait until now?
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Completely different topic, because some wanted me to speak up - I want to come back to the No Lynch one more time:
Look who voted for it: people who joined the community. There is some form of peer pressure in Gafia towards a Day1 lynch. Don't get my wrong, today I'm against a no lynch, because we have claims and can make a decision based on them. But the general attitude of "we have to lynch" still doesn't sit right with me. This is why I wanted to talk about it. It is an unwritten law in here and even discussing it, is ultimately suspicious? Crab stood out because he was very threatening, so I reacted especially to him. We should not sit around and silently agree on things that have always been done a certain way. I question my viewpoints and my conclusions a lot. Otherwise one can be blinded easily and miss crucial information.
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Speaking of missing, looking at the one flame ac post now.
 
I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier.

Don't lynch Rats.

28 person game and he wants to be lynched Day 1? Adamant that if he claims we STILL lynch him? Does he have that little faith in us? Is his role THAT detrimental to the town? Cthulhu, town lost doctor and cop early, still won. NX, cop and jailer died first day, and town almost won. We lose a PR, that will suck. But we have numbers, and if Rats stays, as a strong town player, we can use him, even if he's inadvertently killing PR's left and right.

Unless he can be converted to a Death Eater, in which case lynch away.

No one would bow out so easily just to save a townie or two. The other alternative I can think of (besides lynch bomb but that's a survival tactic) is that he WANTS to be killed/lynched so that he can come back stronger. You know, kind of like how Voldemort was "killed", but just lost his physical form so he could go around possessing people and wreaking havoc. Yes, don't look at flavour, yada yada.

So yeah, don't lynch Rats. Heck, I'd prefer a no lynch instead.

I appreciate the confidence in my ability, and that's something I considered, but we have a lot of strong players in this game. My role is simply a net negative for Town. I am less than Ordinary. You don't need me.

I'm going to bed and won't be up until after the deadline, so this is my last post. I promise I have been completely honest with you all, and I hope my intentions become clear when you see my role text. I believe in you guys. Make me proud.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Wait whaaaat? I totally missed this, can you find the post?
Here:
We kind of had a situation like this in Cthulhu where we kind of had to choose to let a player win so that we could get a benefit as a result. We let someone else win early in the game and still had fun, so if Burb wants to get lynched, which has very rarely, if at all happened in our games here, then it would be okay if he wins.
and his explanation:
That was me, it happened in Cthulhu and we had to make a choice. We could gain a benefit to the town, but a 3rd party would have to win. We took that choice, it was against Blarg actually, and it worked out in our favor. If Burb is somehow a neutral whose job it is to get lynched, I'm pretty sure it would be the first time that happened in a GAF game and it would be a very controversial and unpopular role, I think. If Burb is that role, then fine, let him win and he can get out of the game as a winner, and we don't have to focus on him in our future discussions.

Hm, in hindsight it's not as strange as I thought and your explanation focusses on the "get the distraction out of the way" part again. The benefit for town is important as well I think, because why let somebody win for the lulz? Okay, wasn't really important, but I owed myself this look at your post.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Probably won't get an answer to that.

My initial thought to Rats claim was that he offered another bandwagon option and wanted to see who would swing towards him. Ultimately following with him withdrawing his claim and looking at the early switchers. Now this not a probable outcome anymore.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Unvote

Gee, Blarg offered some insight. He's not hiding in the Rats bandwaggon and #692. Hey Blarg, do you believe Burb is Snape and a miller? Do you think it's useful to lynch Rats?
 

Gorlak

Banned
TheExodu5: I like your idea, but it was never going to happen. We have 28 players and aside from the votes nothing concrete we can people nail onto. Creating an extra layer of trust in mere words won't work. The organisation behind this is too complicated and effortful, even though it does not look like it. But it is very hard to get more than 15 people to agree to an optional procedure for anything (I feel kind of remembered of the mission mechanics in Archer, Season 3 game, were it was impossible to do something better than: first come, first served)
 

roytheone

Member
Alright, so a lot has happened while I was asleep. Now, looking at what rats is saying and specifically telling us hyper and Sawneeks were on the right track leads me to believe he is some kind of role that randomly kills (or does something else that is bad). BSP has offered the option that Rats is some kind of "visitor bomb", but that seems very unlikely to me since then he could just not use his power and he will not be a danger to town. No, if rats speaks the truth, he has little to no control over his powers. That would be very bad for us, as

A) Statistically he will be much more likely to hit a towny then scum, and
B) It makes the night happenings much more chaotic and harder to make sense of, which will help scum to hide their night actions.

Now, the obvious question we need to answer is if he is speaking the truth? I think he is. I struggle to find another explanation for this kind of behavior. Him being scum trying to save Burb makes no sense so early on in the game, and being a tanner is also highly unlikely since that role is kind of a no-go in this community. Being a role that "powers up" after being "lynched" is also a long shot, since if we lynch him and he doesn't die, that would put a ridiculous amount of suspicion on him during D2 and he will probably be lynched again, this time for real.

The only thing that does strike me as weird is his complete unwillingness to share his power with us. He has a very high vote lead right now, and has said that he can in fact talk about his power, yet he doesn't. His main arguments are that he is afraid of an override and that he want the role reveal to be "exciting". I disagree with both arguments. I doubt a town PR with an override would use it to save Rats right now, it would be kind of a waste. A scum PR with an override would also not make a lot of sense, since that scum would basically out himself. And for what, to profit from rats power for one night? I doubt they will do that. And playing to make a game "exciting" is not a smart thing to do IMO, especially if that hurts your own team.

Still, even with that bit of doubt in my mind, I think Rats is the best option for today. I find it unlikely he is lying, and if his role is what I think it is, it would be very bad for us to have around, so:

VOTE: Rats Off To Ya
(I don't want to risk a turbo right now since a lot of people are sleeping and may want to say some last minute things later)
 

Gorlak

Banned
TheExodu5:
Eh, wasn't your plan, was it? Sorry Retroid.

Who to vote?
Vote: Palmer
jk

I'm undecided right now... Apply pressure? Apply pressure.

Vote: Arkos
I've found 3 posts were you talk about ingame matters. Please speak up more. Why do you want to vote for Rats and what do you think of Burb as of now? Has nothing else caught your attention?
 
post 158[/URL] and 263 he says he believes Burb, and yesterday he claimed. I don't know if this is good/bad/intended but we have to keep in mind this will happen if we follow through his plan.
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I don't agree with the line of thought that leads to Rats = scum. A scum ability that lets a scum cripple town isn't common, mainly because it's too easy to force your lynch. The main possibility paints Burb and Rats as bad players.

Scum Burb does an automatic role claim at the beginning of the day hoping town would spare him for his honesty. Plan backfires and it looks like town might lynch him. So Scum Rats soft claims to save his life. Sparing him for one day. Either Rats deliberately cut in to save a fellow scums life or capitalized on the opportunity. Why though? Nothing that speculative role does could make up for 2 players lost. Horrible play. I can't believe it. Even one scum lost this early is unnecessary. Especially when just not talking would have spared both of them. The role would have to be very powerful which I just don't find likely. I think Rats is telling the truth.
 

Gorlak

Banned
Being a role that "powers up" after being "lynched" is also a long shot, since if we lynch him and he doesn't die, that would put a ridiculous amount of suspicion on him during D2 and he will probably be lynched again, this time for real.
What if he can't be lynched? (I know this is unlikely, but maybe?) I find it hard that "copycat" and "5-shot lightning rod" are convenient and fine claims that people believed in the past, but now it's impossible this lynch could be bad?
The only thing that does strike me as weird is his complete unwillingness to share his power with us. (...) And playing to make a game "exciting" is not a smart thing to do IMO, especially if that hurts your own team.
You agree that Rats does not act in favour of town by withholding his info, yet you believe him? I won't vote for him, he did not speak the full truth.

Honestly I don't want to be the one arguing against a Rats vote, but somebody has to offer a different viewpoint. It feels like it was too easy for him to get everyone behind him.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier.

Don't lynch Rats.

28 person game and he wants to be lynched Day 1? Adamant that if he claims we STILL lynch him? Does he have that little faith in us? Is his role THAT detrimental to the town? Cthulhu, town lost doctor and cop early, still won. NX, cop and jailer died first day, and town almost won. We lose a PR, that will suck. But we have numbers, and if Rats stays, as a strong town player, we can use him, even if he's inadvertently killing PR's left and right.

Unless he can be converted to a Death Eater, in which case lynch away.

No one would bow out so easily just to save a townie or two. The other alternative I can think of (besides lynch bomb but that's a survival tactic) is that he WANTS to be killed/lynched so that he can come back stronger. You know, kind of like how Voldemort was "killed", but just lost his physical form so he could go around possessing people and wreaking havoc. Yes, don't look at flavour, yada yada.

So yeah, don't lynch Rats. Heck, I'd prefer a no lynch instead.

For the first part of your argument, it seems that you are saying Rats is a strong enough town player to outweigh the loss of several PRs. That ignores the fact that with more complete role information he has assessed his position and thinks that the best way he can help town is being lynched. Either he's a strong player who's judgement can be trusted or he isn't going to be helping town this game. Both point to lynch to me.

The second part of flavor based speculation has a little more weight in my mind for a reason to not vote for Rats. I don't think lynch bomb would reveal so early as its more useful for forcing a surprise mylo or lylo situation. It basically boils down to me thinking some type of Obi wan role of "if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you can ever imagine" is not likely enough for me to pick a random/less favorable lynch target than Rats.

(Current vote is on Blarg because we were a vote away from hammer at one point)
 

Kawl_USC

Member
What if he can't be lynched? (I know this is unlikely, but maybe?) I find it hard that "copycat" and "5-shot lightning rod" are convenient and fine claims that people believed in the past, but now it's impossible this lynch could be bad?

You agree that Rats does not act in favour of town by withholding his info, yet you believe him? I won't vote for him, he did not speak the full truth.

Honestly I don't want to be the one arguing against a Rats vote, but somebody has to offer a different viewpoint. It feels like it was too easy for him to get everyone behind him.

While I agree that it would be better to know his role information, it seems that Rats had made up his mind how he was going to play this day up before the game started. With that in mind I can see him wanting to create a flair of drama/excitement by keeping some things to himself just for some personal enjoyment.

It seems kind of unfortunate to have a role that makes you think your best play is to get lynched the first day, so I won't begrudge some selfish play in order to get some satisfaction out of this game if that is the case.

I'm also of the mind that a role that straight up wants to get lynched for more power on the scum/neutral side would be a role in pretty bad taste. Something like lynch bomb that partially mitigates getting lynched later in the game is a nice way to add a final F you to scum roles. A role whos best case scenario in terms of gaining power/impact is to immediately get lynched leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 

Gorlak

Banned

I don't think both of them are scum, it's far more likely not one of the two is. But scum could want to shift attention away from Burb to convert him, who knows? If the miller lives one day, why should he not survive the next days? Also Rats could be neutral wanting his lynch. I was throwing around some possibilities.

It basically boils down to me thinking some type of Obi wan role of "if you strike me down, I'll become more powerful than you can ever imagine" is not likely enough for me to pick a random/less favorable lynch target than Rats.

You're argument is valid. I'm probably biased because I had a whole ghost town following my trail in a previous game. Before this game I didn't care about the dead, in MGS I learned to fear them. Nothing is impossible.

All of your arguments make sense, and I think it's basically Rats not telling everything he knows, which causes me to not vote him. But I won't continue to speak against a Rats lynch.
 

Gorlak

Banned
It seems kind of unfortunate to have a role that makes you think your best play is to get lynched the first day, so I won't begrudge some selfish play in order to get some satisfaction out of this game if that is the case.

Nah, if he is town and a good player, he would not withhold any info for his selfish amusement. He'll get enough "shit&giggles" out of the dead thread because over there they like to make fun of us. I don't think it was for his own enjoyment.

A role whos best case scenario in terms of gaining power/impact is to immediately get lynched leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Yes, it doesn't feel good, but it could be... but I don't think this speculation will help us anymore. I've made up my mind and everybody else should do it before we hit the 1 hour mark. Otherwise it will be chaos, roleclaiming and random bandwaggoning all over again.
 

roytheone

Member
What if he can't be lynched? (I know this is unlikely, but maybe?) I find it hard that "copycat" and "5-shot lightning rod" are convenient and fine claims that people believed in the past, but now it's impossible this lynch could be bad?

You agree that Rats does not act in favour of town by withholding his info, yet you believe him? I won't vote for him, he did not speak the full truth.

Honestly I don't want to be the one arguing against a Rats vote, but somebody has to offer a different viewpoint. It feels like it was too easy for him to get everyone behind him.

The annoying thing with this situation is that whatever we decide to do, we are taking a risk. If we decide to lynch him, we are taking the risk he is some kind of weird scum/neutral PR that benefits from being lynched. If we don't, we risk that he was speaking the truth and we have a random killer during the night which will cause a lot of problems. The way I see it, it is more likely he is speaking (at least partially) the truth about his role, and I see a random killer being active during the night as the bigger danger for town, so lynching him is the smaller risk of the two.
 

Gorlak

Banned
The annoying thing with this situation is that whatever we decide to do, we are taking a risk. If we decide to lynch him, we are taking the risk he is some kind of weird scum/neutral PR that benefits from being lynched. If we don't, we risk that he was speaking the truth and we have a random killer during the night which will cause a lot of problems. The way I see it, it is more likely he is speaking (at least partially) the truth about his role, and I see a random killer being active during the night as the bigger danger for town, so lynching him is the smaller risk of the two.

If you put it that way it really does look like the lesser evil.
 

Kawl_USC

Member
You're argument is valid. I'm probably biased because I had a whole ghost town following my trail in a previous game. Before this game I didn't care about the dead, in MGS I learned to fear them. Nothing is impossible.

All of your arguments make sense, and I think it's basically Rats not telling everything he knows, which causes me to not vote him. But I won't continue to speak against a Rats lynch.

I had forgotten that specific point in MGS, so you reluctance makes more sense in that light. Still the discussion surrounding the medium role was that it was a interesting dynamic but not really something suited for a main season game, but I get that you are saying a different role but still something that allows the dead to influence.

I think the arguments you are putting up bring valid concerns about Rats, I just wanted to show you I (and presumably) others had similar thoughts but decided to come down in favor of lynching still. I think the discussion has been good and that you haven't been over zealously pushing, but rather fostering discussion.

Nah, if he is town and a good player, he would not withhold any info for his selfish amusement. He'll get enough "shit&giggles" out of the dead thread because over there they like to make fun of us. I don't think it was for his own enjoyment.



Yes, it doesn't feel good, but it could be... but I don't think this speculation will help us anymore. I've made up my mind and everybody else should do it before we hit the 1 hour mark. Otherwise it will be chaos, roleclaiming and random bandwaggoning all over again.

I think mileage probably varies on how much enjoyment one gets out of the dead thread especially going out D1 at the start of a new season.

But agreed, feels like this discussion has mainly runs its course and most of what remains is for people to make their positions clear. I'm in favor of lynching Rats as I've stated above. Dependent on the break down of voting for second place I may keep my vote on Blarg as we approach deadline.
 
...twilight is beginning to fall upon the campus, and the stars begin to show themselves once more. You know what that means?

It's finally time for the last class of the day.

It's time for my favourite subject!!

It's time for a bit of metaphysical,
astrological,
practically cosmetic—

DIVINATION~*

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Let us begin the session.

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O intrepid stargazers, to know thy future thou must gaze into thine past—tell me, what doth these posts have in common...?

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My personal view is that Salva and Nin are Fred and George Weasley, per the avatar duplication. This would mean that Ron and Hermione are in the game.

That said, I would have thought before the game began that Voldemort would be bulletproof until we killed Harry, who would have some kind of “I live twice” syndrome per the books. (More than one Horcrux would be overkill). After seeing the flavor text, I have no clue.

Might be overthinking it though, but is it logical to have a HP game without Voldemort or Harry?

Will be back on much later tonight.

Okay, so, going out on a limb here and saying Burb is telling the truth about his claim I want to know why those who have votes on him right now think he is a choice lynch candidate. Snape being a Miller makes a good amount of sense ( almost too much sense.. ) but I don't see any real reason as to why Scum would fake a claim like this, especially this early.

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Voldemort.

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:') A boy after my own heart...truly makes me happy. I toyed with the idea of doing that again this game, but I think that's what got me lynched D1 in MGS XD

But whatever, yolo, now that I have a better sense of most of the players, I think I can do this again.

WELCOME TO THE D1 CIRCLE OF TRUST
We are Dumbledore's Army. We study Defence against the Dark Arts even in the toughest of times. Our goal is to find and eliminate the Death Eaters, servants of He-Who-Must-Not-Be...No, I'm not scared. We want to destory Lord Voldemort.

More information:

1. You don't have to accept. Just because I trust you doesn't mean you have to trust me.
2. This only lasts for D1. So if I find you scummy on D2, I will vote without hesitation
3. We may have differing views right now, but that's not a bad thing. That's an asset.
4. For those of you with a more conventional mindset, I suppose you could think of this list as a 'Top Town' list...but you'd be missing out.

DA MEMBERS

1. CM
2. Kawl
3. BSP
4. Burb
5. Roy
6. Rynam
7. Gorlak
8. TheExodu5

Come on, let's practice our Patronus spells.

Here is my list of Top Death Eaters so far (this truly will be hilariously bad when we go back to this later lol):

I agree that guessing some characters alignments might not be the best idea. voldy, bellatrix, etc are obvious scum, but the Malfoys or snape could be far more confusing

hell, snape could be a neutral like ocelot in mgs

Good morning :)

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Maybe Harry is 1 shot bullet proof because he's a
horcrux
and also maybe he can only be killed by Voldy and vice versa. But either way as much fun as it is to try and figure out the roles and mechanics of the game I think hyper is right. At this point it won't get us anywhere.

Since my role from my last game forbade me to vote I am keen to finally use this "power"!! I am pro D1 lynch but at this point I don't have a clue and I will keep it for a little longer.

I don't want to vote for Burb because I generally believe his claim but he is the only thing we have right now... ok besides Blarg but I don't think I'm smart enough to solve his riddle :(

So...some of the more obvious roles.

Harry...avoids one assassination attempt?
Voldemort...unsure
Peter Pettigrew...maybe gives information to Voldy? Or maybe something happens if townies find him out
Lupin...must kill every now and then
Draco Malfoy...town aligned
Lucius Malfoy...death eater
Ron...town
Hermione...town
Dumbledore...town
Sorting hat...sherif?

It's been a while since I've read HP. Just brainstorming.

Harry only being able to kill Voldemort and vice versa would seem like appropriate flavor for this game. Probably not lynch proof though.

Ah yes... the infamous Blargnaut... does he ever stop posting in riddles cause it's going to get really annoying later in the game.

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If this game were an 11 you may have something. Danganronpa was a 9 so I'm guessing we could potentially see abilities to recruit like Cthulhu, vigilantes or
scum of the earth, lower than dirt
neutrals in here.

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Woohoo!!! Member #1!!!

As before I'm for no lynching D1 as every mislynch we make means one phase less we have to find the Death Eaters. Right now, I don't see a lot for us to go on, no one feels strongly scummy to me. If there is a compelling reason to vote for someone I'm open to changing my stance.

I've said that it might be best to kill Burbeting in the future, if not today. But I honestly have no problem if today is the day that we tie heavy bricks to Burbeting's body and throw him into the deep end of the Hogwarts pool.

I do feel a tinge of doubt. As I've said earlier, there hasn't been a counter-claim. Although someone mentioned that mafia might have gotten a list of safe claims that they could have used. If Burbeting turns out to be Snape (and a miller), then that might help feed my gut belief that major characters from the book ARE in this game (Harry, Voldemort, Mr. Tibbles).

More importantly, there's always the small, small chance that Burbeting is in fact mafia, and created this bold claim. At least for me, with him sticking around, there will always be that slight doubt in my head about his true self. I don't know, there could be worse Day 1 lynches.

alright I'm going to be busy watching a boring debate, so I'll just

vote: hyperactivity

this is temporary until I pick someone to skin tomorrow. Unless in the next few hours you end up roleclaiming Voldemort.

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Are you saying that you're voting LoC because you think he's voldemort, or is this just a standard avatar quote response?

I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier.

Don't lynch Rats.

28 person game and he wants to be lynched Day 1? Adamant that if he claims we STILL lynch him? Does he have that little faith in us? Is his role THAT detrimental to the town? Cthulhu, town lost doctor and cop early, still won. NX, cop and jailer died first day, and town almost won. We lose a PR, that will suck. But we have numbers, and if Rats stays, as a strong town player, we can use him, even if he's inadvertently killing PR's left and right.

Unless he can be converted to a Death Eater, in which case lynch away.

No one would bow out so easily just to save a townie or two. The other alternative I can think of (besides lynch bomb but that's a survival tactic) is that he WANTS to be killed/lynched so that he can come back stronger. You know, kind of like how Voldemort was "killed", but just lost his physical form so he could go around possessing people and wreaking havoc. Yes, don't look at flavour, yada yada.

So yeah, don't lynch Rats. Heck, I'd prefer a no lynch instead.

*shudder*

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Thou willst possess good fortune in thine love life!

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Let not thine personal effects into the Fold, for I see one of thee among your number marked with a swansong to last an epoch.

O rodent, thus in name, but not in deed?

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Pray for this one, that the divine design see fit to redeem his pursuers...

Wait! I see the cosmos flicker unto a new revelation...

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Thou must embrace the possibility, that one of ye ten who doth named who must be nameless, knoweth and hath stated the true fate of thine martyr.

Be it luck, or malice? Hence, hesitation...

Wait! ...the cosmos dim, and there is no more.

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