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New Danganronpa V3 Confirmed for 2016, Trailer Pics, Danganronpa 3 Anime (SPOILERS)
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That character has literally no character arc throughout the entirety of Danganronpa 2 and they are almost irrelevant when it comes to the reason why case 5 is as good as it is and why people praise it so much.
I don't want static characters that are basically condensed fanservice in V3; I want complex characters who have actual progression to them. Fuyuhiko is another great DR character because of this.
Really?
Chiaki Nanami literally starts out not talking to literally anyone at the start of the game and grows comfortable and confident with everyone to literally slap fucking Akane when she's about to kill Nagito. You spend the entire the game working closer and closer as each Chapter passes to the point where you pretty much are right by her side the entirety of Investigation 5
Also seriously? What's Nagito's character arc? He doesn't change or learn anything, he's just disenfranchised from the group after Chapter 1 and stays there, then he learns that everyone is Ult. Despair and decides to kill everyone except the traitor using the same ideology he always had.
I don't mean this in a confrontational way or anything, but I seriously don't understand why people like that character so much. Like to me, that's just a very, very bland character that doesn't do anything plot relevant.
(Spoilers for DR-2 up to case 5)
I like Nagito because he made the most memorable murder mystery in a series and really stretched the mystery in a way that's only possible with a character like him in a series like this. It felt like an unique plot you wouldn't see in say, Phoenix Wright because it needed a particular brand of insanity and world building for it to work. It felt very unique to this series and very fun to experience. He's a time-bomb that you know is gonna go off at some point, and when it finally does the game doesn't disappoint you.
Meanwhile, Chiaki does...nothing in particular that I remember. Like she's not even bad or anything, she's just...there. I keep hearing praise for that character and I just don't get it. Again don't mean this in a confrontational way, I just really don't get why people like her.
Meanwhile, Chiaki does...nothing in particular that I remember. Like she's not even bad or anything, she's just...there. I keep hearing praise for that character and I just don't get it. Again don't mean this in a confrontational way, I just really don't get why people like her.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Nagito is a waste
Funyarinpa
Member
When you start perfect you can't really get anywhere
CH5 was mostly a masterpiece thanks to Komaeda for me, the cast playing right into his hands and seeing Nagito's magnum opus come to its conclusion was what made that part so wonderful
CH5 was mostly a masterpiece thanks to Komaeda for me, the cast playing right into his hands and seeing Nagito's magnum opus come to its conclusion was what made that part so wonderful
Sumio Mondo
Member
I honestly found Chiaki really forced down our throats
she is such a puritan and has no flaws, how boring.
You realize starting off perfect is generally not a very good thing for a character, right?
Do people really just like get off on seeing
Nagito forcing everyone to kill their friend or die?
after everyone has seen through Nagito's plan and just refuses to kill Chiaki to save themselves.
I don't know, she's slothful, socially withdrawn and usually not very aware, and
she can't ever take any direct action to help anyone since she's programmed not to interfere (I'd say that's a big one).
I disagree with pretty much everything here.
Chiaki does not change throughout the game. She doesn't get any warmer to the group than when it first started: right from word go, she constantly acts as a "big sister" to everyone and is actively working in the interests of everyone else. She talks just as much at the start than anyone else; she was just less active during the events of case 1 because she was outside with Monomi.
And Nagito definitely has a character arc.
He starts off being warm to everyone, then reveals his twisted nature when circumstances become dire and he realizes this is an opportunity for him to exercise his belief that despair begets hope. He reveres everyone around him and loves them because they are Ultimates, and he believes they are the ultimate expression of the hope he desires. The game then places the player under his control, to give us a view into his mind and his thought process. After discovering the secret, he takes a dramatic turn where he begins to look down upon everyone around him instead of praising them, because he discovers they are the kind of people who he truly hates. He especially hates Hajime, and actually becomes actively insulting and hateful.
The buildup of him stating that he would sacrifice himself from the beginning of the game then concludes into him putting it into effect for case 5.
The buildup of him stating that he would sacrifice himself from the beginning of the game then concludes into him putting it into effect for case 5.
That was the opposite of a highlight for me.
Everything about Chiaki actively made case 5 worse for me, and I especially detested the emotional crap with Chiaki's "sacrifice."
The Bankslammer
Member
i don't want to get too far into DR2 spoiler discussion but
at least for me, the appeal of nagito is less how he himself develops as a character, and more how his character unravels over the course of the game, with chapter 5 being the climax of that. it's about how these new developments provide better perspective on his previous actions. it's all extremely clever, imo
and in regards to chiaki, while i'm not a fan of her myself, i can see why people like her. she's just a cool, chill character. i can respect that. i'm not gonna say she's devoid of pandering aspects, but i think there's plenty of people who don't care about that who like her.
and in regards to chiaki, while i'm not a fan of her myself, i can see why people like her. she's just a cool, chill character. i can respect that. i'm not gonna say she's devoid of pandering aspects, but i think there's plenty of people who don't care about that who like her.
I don't think I agree with you. Starting off perfect in terms of "This character has no flaw" is not a good thing. Starting off perfect in terms of "This character is deeply flawed in a way that is entertaining, advances the story and meshes well with other characters" is not a bad thing.
And it's not that people "get off" on seeing that. It's that he creates very good conflict and fiction is about...well, conflict. The character is a complete bastard, but he's entertaining as all hell because he creates very interesting situations. For me, the highlight of the trial was
realizing how far the rules of the game had been pushed while maintaining its internal logic and bringing about very good conflict in that even the victory condition(solving the case) would still bring about the death of a completely innocent person. That made me go "Ah, that's really, really nicely done game/character."
When reading a murder mystery, it's not exactly uncommon to just appreciate a good plot and appreciating the character that facilitates that plot. Meanwhile, the stuff about Chiaki's sacrifice just made me kinda bored because I didn't care about the character at all and the scene fell flat on me.
When reading a murder mystery, it's not exactly uncommon to just appreciate a good plot and appreciating the character that facilitates that plot. Meanwhile, the stuff about Chiaki's sacrifice just made me kinda bored because I didn't care about the character at all and the scene fell flat on me.
Funyarinpa
Member
The "start off perfect" part was a joke.
Also by your terms, yes, I did get off on the "kill friend or die" angle, fucking LOVED seeing the cast realize Komaeda's true plan. The darkest case in the series, easily- also by far the best one. I was spoiled almost completely on the game, and the moment the cast realizes their only lead is Komaeda's luck -and therefore that he was killed by a fire grenade thrown by the traitor- is the sole moment in DR2 that made me go "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT" despite that. Komaeda is fucking EXTREME TO THE MAX. All of CH1 and CH5 is orchestrated by him. He's a puppetteer, and a hope-crazed mad genius in Danganronpa is one of the best villains I can conceive of.
Also by your terms, yes, I did get off on the "kill friend or die" angle, fucking LOVED seeing the cast realize Komaeda's true plan. The darkest case in the series, easily- also by far the best one. I was spoiled almost completely on the game, and the moment the cast realizes their only lead is Komaeda's luck -and therefore that he was killed by a fire grenade thrown by the traitor- is the sole moment in DR2 that made me go "HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT" despite that. Komaeda is fucking EXTREME TO THE MAX. All of CH1 and CH5 is orchestrated by him. He's a puppetteer, and a hope-crazed mad genius in Danganronpa is one of the best villains I can conceive of.
Chiaki is my favorite character but Nagito is absolutely the stronger character.
Nagito is DR2's pièce de résistance. The single most dynamic/memorable character in the franchise. A huge part of what makes DR2 fantastic.
EDIT: Re: Chiaki's growth
Nagito is DR2's pièce de résistance. The single most dynamic/memorable character in the franchise. A huge part of what makes DR2 fantastic.
EDIT: Re: Chiaki's growth
I have to agree with Flux on this one, she doesn't really have a character arc. This is justified by the fact that she's an A.I, but it's inaccurate to say she "slowly warms up to the group." She was always supposed to blend in and watch over them, and she only took action because the situation necessitated itself. Her appeal comes from how much you enjoy her character concept.
I disagree that he himself changed, for the first part
it just gives the fucked up context behind his warmth, that doesn't change for most of the game, as for the latter part that is again, no him changing, but just him reacting events, it's pretty explicit he loathes talentless and hopeless people from early on, finding out that the people he was surrounded by were one (or in Hajime's case both) of those things is what caused his shift in presentation, not a development in personality.
Yeah, this right here tells me we like DanganRonpa for very different reasons, and that were not gonna reach a conclusion here. I apologize for even starting this conversation. I honestly don't know how to react to this.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
I love Chiaki, but let's be real here. She's popular because she's cute, nice, and a gamer.
Her role in 2 is basically the same as Kyoko's in 1. The cool smart girl the game really wants you to like and trust.
Her role in 2 is basically the same as Kyoko's in 1. The cool smart girl the game really wants you to like and trust.
Kyoko is superior.
At least Kyoko was an actually flawed character, giving her more depth as a result.
Sorry, to be clear, I was agreeing with the spoiler and adding to it.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
Well yes that's what I meant in the spoiler. Kyoko is a way more interesting character, one with her own agenda beyond just pushing Makoto towards the correct answers.
Chiaki
had no purpose outside of being helpful, since she was the same as Monomi. Just there to make sure the trip/mystery solving went smoothly.
Chiaki is still pretty much Kyoko's DR2 counterpart. That said,
Nagito
he's unlike anyone from DR1. He's the unpredictable element in what is otherwise a very deliberate photocopy of the previous game. I get why a lot of people hate him, but he really makes DR2 what it is way more than Chiaki ever did.
Not quite
Kyoko is reclusive, sketchy and downright hypocritical at times, whereas Chiaki was helpful pretty much the entire way through. Kodaka makes a point to state that Kyoko was a regular character whereas Chiaki was explicitly the heroine of DR2.
The Silver
Member
V3 needs an inversion of that archetype, what Nagito was to Naegi.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
I'm not saying they have the same or even similar personalities or agendas, just that they both fill the same role. That is, the one the protagonist spends the most time with in canon, the most competent investigator, the likeliest to have the answer, etc. That's what I got from it, anyway.
Oh well yeah, I guess they're fairly similar in that regard
But I was mostly just referring to what Kodaka said a while back
But I was mostly just referring to what Kodaka said a while back
Yeah, one thing I enjoyed about Kirigiri in DR1 was her being a hypocrite. Like at one point I remember her being disgusted about Togami fucking around with bodies...and then that same episode, she starts fucking around with bodies to investigate too. And the same episode I think Togami also acted disgusted at her playing with bodies despite doing the same fucking thing.
Makoto probably lived out a sitcom after DR1 traveling with those two haha. Like his by-default best friend and love interest are both passive aggressive hypocritical dicks and they have to work together.
I don't like the concept of heroine characters, so that's probably part the reason I'm not fond of Chiaki and was pretty okay with Kyoko.
R_thanatos
Member
There is a big difference with the handling of the body by both characters.
Kyoko use of bodies is for investigation, she looks , touch and observe. the bodies stay as they were.
Togami literraly messed up a body for his little game of superiority ( for his own personal gain ) while endangering everyone..
There is a difference between looking for the truth ( what she does ) and someone manipulating the truth in order to gain an advantage. Her disgust was perfectly normal.
Honestly, I really hope we don't get another Nagito equivalent. He made an interesting plot device, but as a character he was just so bland.
I'd much rather have a character on the lines of Byakuya who is an asshole and irritation towards the player, the closest thing you have to a direct 'antagonist' other than a potential mastermind, while still having a personality beyond that. Byakuya actually went through a lot of character development throughout DR1 and actually became a pretty fleshed out character.
While I'll admit I find Chiaki to be a bit overrated, I do appreciate her role in the story a lot more than
in the first game.
Also, having only played the games in Japanese, seeing and typing the given names of all of the characters is a really strange experience.
His only real purpose is to top Byakuya on a level of irritation towards the player, as a lot of sequels often try to do with their characters. And for that, he's really good at it. He does also have some interesting elements to him, but they all seem rather untouched upon even in his side story.
While I'll admit I find Chiaki to be a bit overrated, I do appreciate her role in the story a lot more than
Kyouko's
She's there for more than just to solve everything for you and she just overall serves as what felt like a much better 'mentor' kind of character compared to Kyouko. Kyouko was pretty cold and barely seemed attached to Makoto until the end of the game, whereas Chiaki always felt like a really positive character and the interactions between felt really genuine between her and Hajime. Meanwhile Kyouko and Makoto's interactions just felt really... anime. I mean, that's to be expected, but I've never been to much of a fan of the 'mysterious girl who the protagonist puts all of his trust into regardless of how shady she is' kind of archetype.
Also, having only played the games in Japanese, seeing and typing the given names of all of the characters is a really strange experience.
lazyproblems
Member
Yeah, I found this after I beat the game:
http://marchen-v-friedhof.tumblr.co...last-thoughts-of-the-sdr2-characters-who-died
I reloaded that chapter and got to that point just so I could read them in game. It was definitely a mind fuck.
As previously reported, this week's issue of Famitsu will have a 10-page feature on Danganronpa V3 and Danganronpa 3, with an interview with Kazutaka Kodaka and Tsuyoshi Kodakazu who are in charge of scenarios, and general producer Yoshinori Terasawa.
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201512/08094857.html
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201512/08094857.html
Newtype-001
Member
Nicee, something substantial plz.
Black Republican
Member
wow i missed this, interesting
As previously reported, this week's issue of Famitsu will have a 10-page feature on Danganronpa V3 and Danganronpa 3, with an interview with Kazutaka Kodaka and Tsuyoshi Kodakazu who are in charge of scenarios, and general producer Yoshinori Terasawa.
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201512/08094857.html
I hope we'll get some artwork of the other characters. But I guess most of the 10 pages will be the interview.
Information from the furage:
DR V3
That also makes it sound like there really won't be many ties from DR3 to V3.
DR V3
- DR V3 has the same series flow as the previous main games. There is the day-to-day structure, an investigation part, and the class trials.
- As revealed previously, there are new class trial elements such as "Scrum Discussion" and "Panic Discussion," where a certain divide in the debate occurs.
- "Scrum Discussion" is like a team competition, where a group of people are divided into two sides to face each other. [Sounds to me kind of like the concept of a rebuttal showdown, except it's not 1v1]
- The team wants to introduce an alternate way to debate which focuses on using bullets to "lie." [Sounds like making bluffs ala Ace Attorney in order to progress an argument]
- "Panic Discussion" will be talked about in the future.
- The "V" in V3 is there to differentiate it from the previous games, and also symbolizes "Victory."
- The game flow is being considerably improved, but the game's production is the same as ever.
- There has been improvement to the day-to-day part of the game and how the hero interacts with the other characters.
- The high school is surrounded by a cage, out in a garden. There's also a hotel in the garden.
- DR3 is a whole new project as a sequel.
- They were originally going to make an anime adaptation of DR2.
- DR3 was actually going to be a game with class trials, but the writers thought it would be too painful to have the Hope's Peak survivors go through killing each other again. The anime is the final chapter in the "Hope's Peak" saga.
- DR3 takes place immediately after DR2. [Sounds like there's actually no time skip]
- They believe DR3 tells a story that can only be told through anime.
- There are elements of deduction and reasoning like in the games, but it's not as much about the suspense.
- It is difficult to complete both projects simultaneously, but they are doing so without compromise because opportunities like this do not come up often.
- Producer Yoshinori Terasawa states that the development is 120% complete. Actually, that's a lie.
That also makes it sound like there really won't be many ties from DR3 to V3.
But this series is about exactly that. That bittersweet despair. :[
Ludger Kresnik
Member
Shying away from further despair? That's not the Danganronpa spirit!
The DR1 survivors are a pretty boring bunch without any more ulterior motives, though. This was probably for the best.
I can't copy that exact passage (my phone doesn't like Hokanko for some reason), but I would translate it as:
Ah, I see, so the first interpretation was relatively correct, though it doesn't sound like they really had it in mind to make a game out of it when the project started. Sounds like if they were okay with putting the Hope's Peak survivors through another killing game, DR3 could have indeed been its own game instead of an anime. I agree with this, then:
It's weird reasoning when it comes to a series like DR. Almost sounds like an excuse they came up with if they were ever asked the question "Why is DR3 not a game?"
Ack. Speaking of mistranslations, this is why I shouldn't translate on the bus; that was 苦しい、 not 苦い. They felt it would have been strained/painful to have the Hope's Peak students in another killing game, which sounds much more like they're talking from a storytelling perspective.
Sorry about that!
Sorry about that!
Well, what I'm happy about isn't that we get another Danganronpa anime, but that Danganronpa 3 is an anime (hopefully a good one) and that V3, the game, can be its own thing as a result.
Se7enSword
Banned
That depends on how it is handled. If it is done well and much better than DR1, i'd be happy. I'm uncertain how well it can be.
Basileus777
Member
I'd be happier if the staff on it were better. As it is, I have pretty low expectations.
No kidding. I'm on Chapter 4 of AE right now and there's some fucked up shit in this game.
Funyarinpa
Member
Got messaged corrections for that rough translation posted above:
Also, something else from the furage:
That last point I didn't post is pretty interesting. Wonder why they'd mention that; it really does seem like robot guy is the protagonist, but this might be some kind of bait-and-switch.
Also, something else from the furage:
That last point I didn't post is pretty interesting. Wonder why they'd mention that; it really does seem like robot guy is the protagonist, but this might be some kind of bait-and-switch.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
It's not adapting anything in particular, which is a pretty huge plus already. Any weird "game things" or rushed pacing are pretty much non-issues, since there's no change in medium.
Seiji Kishi directing is the only thing I'm really worried about. His comedy shows are usually pretty great, (Carnival Phantasm is amazing) but more serious stuff he's involved with tends to... not be great.