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[vasametropolis]

Starkiller base really only existed to wipe the slate clean on the Galaxy. Republic is dead. First Order may very well be the most powerful faction in the Galaxy again with the underdog resistance.

Oh I understand its purpose, but it could have been more creative. Maybe something that harnesses the force to destroy these worlds, or something that's a weird spin. Just not a big fucking laser again. But like I said... it's not that big of a deal to me.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Maz isn't a dead force ghost, though.

So?

Maybe Rey just remembers the words.

Whether she's actually speaking them (again!) to Rey doesn't really matter. I'm saying going there on the soundtrack would have intensified the scene. It's a very, very Star Wars thing to do in a movie that is being Star Wars as fuck at every opportunity.

 

[diaspora]

Why are people tying Finn to Lando or Windu? Surely there are more than 2 black people in the galaxy?

 

[JB1981]

Rey had a flight simulator computer inside her walker, which is how she learned to fly.

Saw it twice and never noticed. Also she straight up says I basically have no idea how I'm flying this falcon

 

[MMarston]

Starkiller base really only existed to wipe the slate clean on the Galaxy. Republic is dead. First Order may very well be the most powerful faction in the Galaxy again with the underdog resistance.

Nah I feel like the Republic would still be there, but in a Mass Effect 1 - 2 kind of way where key government figures are replaced with very inept people.

 

[jett]

So?

Maybe Rey just remembers the words.

Whether she's actually speaking them (again!) to Rey doesn't really matter. I'm saying going there on the soundtrack would have intensified the scene. It's a very, very Star Wars thing to do in a movie that is being Star Wars as fuck at every opportunity.

Maz just isn't equivalent to Obi-wan. Of all the callbacks the movie has, I think this would be the cheapest. No offense.

 

[meanspartan]

The one thing I struggle with this movie is Rey's sudden abilities with the force, and it just occured to me how they might have been able to explain it slightly better. What if, when Rey touches Luke's lightsaber for the first time, the flashback happens, then when it's over, they cut to Rey still holding the lightsaber, but levitating dozens of Maz's antiquities around her, then she suddenly realizes she's doing it, and they all drop to the floor? Then Maz is standing at the doorway, having witnessed it. Such a scene could have indicated that Rey suddenly unleashed something inside her when she experienced the flashback, which was hinted at, but was not obvious. Maybe it would be overkill, but I would've liked it.

Like I said in the other thread, the reason people are complaining so much about Rey's powers is the fucking prequels and their stupid Jedi classrooms. People are thinking "she hasn't taken mind trick class yet!" haha.

Nevermind that Luke flew a ship he had never flown before and made an impossible shot while not looking using only the force he knew about for a couple days.

Nothing in Rey's arc is problematic or Mary Sue-ish. People are trying too hard to nitpick. Unlike Luke, she didn't grow up with family and Obi Wan looking out for her so she had to learn melee combat to survive, skills that transferred to her thus being competent with a lightsaber. Her biggest force power demonstration, using a mind trick on a weak-willed trooper, is to me less impressive than Luke's impossible shot in ANH.

 

[blackdevil]

I think the moment that Rey won over the crowd in my theater was when she fought off the thieves when Finn was running to help her. She stood her ground very well and then she charged after Finn with a crazy face. That was the moment everybody loved her i think.

 

[EatChildren]

It bothered me that Finn is so upset that his fellow soldier is killed in front of him at the village then and just a few scenes later during his escape with Poe he is blasting away at Stormtroopers, killing dozens of them. Should have shown him shooting something else that would have allowed for their escape rather than murdering fellow brainwashed soldiers just like himself

This was exceptionally dumb and my crew had a good laugh about it afterwards. It's Star Wars so whatever, but yeah.

 

[KooopaKid]

How come the 2 main CG characters (Big bad guy and female orange Yoda with big glasses) looked worse than anything in Avatar?

It bothered me that Finn is so upset that his fellow soldier is killed in front of him at the village then and just a few scenes later during his escape with Poe he is blasting away at Stormtroopers, killing dozens of them. Should have shown him shooting something else that would have allowed for their escape rather than murdering fellow brainwashed soldiers just like himself

Yeah I thought it was poorly handled too.
The OT respected the viewer's intelligence a bit more.

 

[LionPride]

Having a nobody suddenly waking up with a huge force power would mean they have to explain something else, like the force itself.
That's a bigger undertaking than just having her comes from a Skywalker lineage.

I believe that it could happen, they could explain more about the force and why Rey has it

 

[Frog-fu]

But what if that's it, they are stressing her parentage so much only for them to be...no one. Deadbeats who couldn't handle a child. Space crack addicts who sold their child for their next fix. I don't know, I just want something else besides her having a parent who we know. Would be more interesting to me personally

If Finn's parents turn out to be Death Sticks addicts or w/e the fuck, Lucasfilm and Disney are in for some well deserved backlash.

 

[mcfrank]

I don't see people complaining about Luke making an impossible shot with no training in a New hope. Having a problem with Rey is rediculous.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Speaking of this, a friend yesterday noticed this, but when Rey and the Falcon land on the Rebel Base after the big fight, Chewie walks right by Leia without hugging her or consoling her over Han's death? and then Rey hugs Leia.

A minor screw-up that I didn't notice, but kind of shitty.

Someone in the thread said maybe Chewie prefers to be alone when dealing with sorrow and loss. He does tend to emotionally overreact in general.

 

[antonz]

Oh I understand its purpose, but it could have been more creative. Maybe something that harnesses the force to destroy these worlds, or something that's a weird spin. Just not a big fucking laser again. But like I said... it's not that big of a deal to me.

I think it would have probably been more impactful if they had kept the scene as was originally envisioned. They seem to have gone out of their way to dumb down aspects of the movie. Massive fleet battle removed by their own words to not confuse people with too many ship types. Apparently when wiping out the republic it was going to be a lot more dramatic showing the fleet being destroyed etc.

 

[Good Job Bob]

It bothered me that Finn is so upset that his fellow soldier is killed in front of him at the village then and just a few scenes later during his escape with Poe he is blasting away at Stormtroopers, killing dozens of them. Should have shown him shooting something else that would have allowed for their escape rather than murdering fellow brainwashed soldiers just like himself

I just figured he was friends with the killed trooper.

 

[Plumbob]

Oh I understand its purpose, but it could have been more creative. Maybe something that harnesses the force to destroy these worlds, or something that's a weird spin. Just not a big fucking laser again. But like I said... it's not that big of a deal to me.

One thing that occurred to me after the film is that the Star Killer may have been designed by Kylo Ren in imitation of Darth Vader.

 

[kurahador]

I believe that it could happen, they could explain more about the force and why Rey has it

You do remember Lucas tried right? Midichlorians?

That will go well I'm sure.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Saw it twice and never noticed. Also she straight up says I basically have no idea how I'm flying this falcon

She's the grandaughter of Anakin "best pilot in the galaxy" Skywalker and the daughter of Luke "bullseying womp rats in my T-16" Skywalker, that's how.

 

[Ether_Snake]

If Ep VIII is like V, it ends with Finn captured by Phasma, who is trying to buy her way back in the order by bringing them the one who turned off the shields?

And Rey gets her hand cut or something.

 

[Galava]

How come the 2 main CG characters (Big bad guy and female orange Yoda with big glasses) looked worse than anything in Avatar?

I think they looked good, but they stood out A LOT between all the real sets and animatronic characters, so they looked fake af.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Finn got a lucky shot in before having his ass handed to him and Rey only turned things around right at the end.

It is still too much for two people who were literally using a lightsaber for their very first time.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Maz just isn't equivalent to Obi-wan.

Why would that matter?

It's the words being said. The fact she's the one that says them isn't as important.

ANYWAY - doesn't matter. The edit of this film features a fair amount of interesting choices, and I'm just wondering if that moment by the ledge is a result of those choices. The scene works fine as it stands.

...but some of you are gonna rewatch that film and hear Maz there anyway now.

 

[Wanderer5]

I think the moment that Rey won over the crowd in my theater was when she fought off the thieves when Finn was running to help her. She stood her ground very well and then she charged after Finn with a crazy face. That was the moment everybody loved her i think.

I almost died during that lol. Her expression was hilarious.XD

 

[dork]

Speaking of this, a friend yesterday noticed this, but when Rey and the Falcon land on the Rebel Base after the big fight, Chewie walks right by Leia without hugging her or consoling her over Han's death? and then Rey hugs Leia.

A minor screw-up that I didn't notice, but kind of shitty.

Yeah..the more I think about it, its fucked up how quick hans death is glossed over..

 

[JB1981]

I don't see people complaining about Luke making an impossible shot with no training in a New hope. Having a problem with Rey is rediculous.

All in the execution

 

[afternoon delight]

The amount of jokes and one liners really pulled me out of scenes in this, felt like something from another series at times... Really wish it was better written. I couldn't take any of the stakes seriously whatsoever, which is sad.

Great cast though, and the special effects were incredible.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I just figured he was friends with the killed trooper.

Yep. More detail on it in Before the Awakening.

 

[LionPride]

If Finn's parents turn out to be Death Sticks addicts or w/e the fuck, Lucasfilm and Disney are in for some well deserved backlash.

Imma be pissed if they had Finn's parents be the addicts

 

[Chezzymann]

Trained is a stretch and a half. Rey is tough and she can scrap... with random thugs on some dusty backwater planet.

Kylo Ren is a powerful and experienced user of the Dark Side of the force. He is the leader of the Knights of Ren, a group even Snoke seems to hold in high regard. He goes into battle with only a lightsaber and is untouchable. This guy by all accounts should be nigh untouchable to Rey but he gets clowned during the interrogation scene and rekt in their duel. It's shitty.

I think she only screwed up with the safety on the blaster. After that she took out a bunch of troopers. Not really a big deal to me since troopers get owned by everyone.

You can lob accusations all you want, but so long as you continue to ignore the actual arguments simply because you don't like them, you'll be arguing in bad faith.

I dont see any reason why he should be untouchable in that fight. Kylo seems emotionally very unstable, he was seriously inured to the point where he was beating his wound to stay conscious, and Snoke even says at the end he needs to complete kylos training. So he isnt even fully trained yet. Rey was shown to already have her shit together at the beginning of the movie when it comes to fighting and piloting, so its not like she magically learned those things. The only thing thats 'mary sue' like with her character was how she learned the force so easily, but that could just be because shes naturally stronger than most with it. I dont think her character is poorly written.

 

[GhaleonEB]

This was exceptionally dumb and my crew had a good laugh about it afterwards. It's Star Wars so whatever, but yeah.

I thought it was his reaction not to seeing his friend die, but to seeing someone die. He tells Rey he ran away from his first fight, so that was his first combat mission. I didn't see it more than Finn getting rattled when seeing death and destruction up close for the first time.

 

[injurai]

One thing that occurred to me after the film is that the Star Killer may have been designed by Kylo Ren in imitation of Darth Vader.

I'm pretty sure Starkiller base was designed by former imperial engineers, and seeing as the Deathstar is really the only ultimate weapon in the universe. It would make sense they would keep attempting to construct one, of ever to have a legitimate shot at governing a universal empire.

 

[Monocle]

The amount of jokes and one liners really pulled me out of scenes in this, felt like something from another series at times... Really wish it was better written.

The writing and delivery are both on point.

 

[slightconfuse]

Hope we get more Poe in the sequels . Really enjoyed him

 

[Sectorseven]

Maz isn't a dead force ghost, though.

What happened to her? Everything was moving so fast I can't remember.

 

[brandonh83]

Yeah..the more I think about it, its fucked up how quick hans death is glossed over..

Leia collapses when it happens, has several moments where she's sad, and Chewie as well. I thought it was just enough.

 

[PBalfredo]

So are we wrong with our criticism? Is it impossible to bring this up because she's a female character?

Maybe, just maybe, she's a action star in the same way James Bond is an action star without having to slap this for-woman-only label on her.

didn't see anyone blink an eye when Angelina Jolie went from housewife to special agent in "Salt". You know why? Because it was explained very well.

And again, Bond has a background. When you see him the first time he is already a special agent for years. Didn't see Captain America, so I cannot comment on that.

Do you really think Rey isn't going to receive any reason for her abilities? When Finn asks her in a tone of amazement how she was able to pilot the Falcon so well and she responds, equally astonished "I don't know!", you honestly think that's the end of it, and not some foreshadowing to her hidden background?

 

[LionPride]

You do remember Lucas tried right? Midichlorians?

That will go well I'm sure.

This new trilogy already has better writing and direction than just about the rest of the films, they could explain it

 

[MMarston]

Hope we get more Poe in the sequels . Really enjoyed him

It's funny how he was supposed to die in that TIE fighter apparently.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What happened to her? Everything was moving so fast I can't remember.

She got lost in the edit.

 

[Cappa]

Nope. The Clone Wars is between II & III, while Rebels is between III & IV.

Taken from Star Wars community OT;

thank you

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

What happened to her? Everything was moving so fast I can't remember.

She disappears from the film after giving Finn the lightsaber.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I don't see people complaining about Luke making an impossible shot with no training in a New hope. Having a problem with Rey is rediculous.

He had help from Obi Wan before and during the shot. Yeah, I know, it was just one sentence. But sometimes that is all that it takes to make it more believable.

 

[injurai]

It's funny how we was supposed to die in that TIE fighter apparently.

Who do I thank for saving him? Rian Johnson?

 

[sphagnum]

Nah I feel like the Republic would still be there, but in a Mass Effect 1 - 2 kind of way where key government figures are replaced with very inept people.

Yeah, there's no way the Republic is actually gone unless Rian is incompetent about it. Hosnian Prime wasn't the permanent capital of the Republic - the Republic changes its capitals as a result of elections. Now, the Republic would be severely damaged since it lost its head and its fleet, but that's like saying the United States would disappear if Washington DC did or that Russia would disappear if Moscow did. The country is still there, it may be in chaos, but nobody is invading it occupying it, so there's still the opportunity for the other member states to reform in some capacity.

 

[amnesiac]

Movie was fantastic.

My biggest gripe was with the CG characters. Orange Yoda and Voldemort 2.0 look so cheesy and out of place because of the obvious CGI. I don't see why they felt the need to have these characters computer generated when they could have done a better job with makeup like in the original trilogy...

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Who do I thank for saving him? Rian Johnson?

Even if he isn't, just start thanking him anyway. Think of it like down-payments or pre-ordering.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

She disappears from the film after giving Finn the lightsaber.

What if she was a ghost?

j/k

 

[diaspora]

You, Poe had criminally little screen time. He was by far my favourite character in the film.

 

[Leonsito]

Just remembered one of my favorites shots of the movie: how cool it was that moment of Poe's X-Wing destroying 7 or 8 Tie in the same sequence shot, and then Finn joy reaction...so goood!