VistraNorrez
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It's been pointed out a lot how useless Indy is in Raiders. The Nazis would have melted their faces sooner or later anyway.
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It's been pointed out a lot how useless Indy is in Raiders. The Nazis would have melted their faces sooner or later anyway.
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I wanna see it again tonight.
Does anymore remember those weird fucked up looking walker things that were shown for like 2 seconds? They were pretty far away.
Does anymore remember those weird fucked up looking walker things that were shown for like 2 seconds? They were pretty far away.
Scientist Supreme!
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Yep, along with cap. The argument doesn't make much sense
Razgriz-Specter
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Um Indy isn't a Gary Stu.
He is clumsy at times
Has bad luck most of the time
He isn't a perfect aim or a perfect fighter.
examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SofTwyYi6Uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLXdCntLHgI
I wonder if Mike will do the Plinkett review some months later, maybe after the dvd release. Although since it's far from being bad like the prequels it might just not be as interesting unless it's just gonna be comparisons.
Also Disney might just be pricks and do a lot of copyright strikes if he uses movie footage
Also Disney might just be pricks and do a lot of copyright strikes if he uses movie footage
The spider things on Starkiller? Yeah, only caught them my second time seeing it.
Bobby Roberts
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Who said anything about necessary? Is it necessary to track in Burning Homestead when she gets the saber? Is it necessary to have this kick in during the final round of Creed? No - but it's really fucking cool. This would have been cool, too. It's one of the only homages left in the deck that this film didn't use. Probably shoulda used it.
I saw it yesterday and loved it. I know a lot of people complain about all the coincidences, like having the falcon on Jakku, and as soon as it enters the space Solo and Chewie are the ones to capture it... It reminded me of a certain moment in JJ's Star Trek, but well, it was all for the fun, and the movie was fun. Great action scenes and x-wing vs tie battles, melee fights were fantastic and overall liked all the actions, I think they nailed the cast of Rey and Kylo.
I only had two problems with the movie:
- Captain Phasma: how easy she turned off the planet shields, I mean, you are a fucking captain, that means you have proven your loyalty and bravery, you should die before letting anyone have any chance of destroying your entire army, instead, a kid points to you with a weapon and you obey without blinking an eye.
- How easy Leia and Chewie went over Han death
And two other minor things I didn't like: I didn't think they were going all the way to destroying the Starkiller planet, a bit of a waste of a setup and resources, and Luke dessapearing after failing with Kylo's Jedi training. Instead of dealing with it, he just ran and hide (I suppose in Ep VIII we will get more detailes on this).
I only had two problems with the movie:
- Captain Phasma: how easy she turned off the planet shields, I mean, you are a fucking captain, that means you have proven your loyalty and bravery, you should die before letting anyone have any chance of destroying your entire army, instead, a kid points to you with a weapon and you obey without blinking an eye.
- How easy Leia and Chewie went over Han death
And two other minor things I didn't like: I didn't think they were going all the way to destroying the Starkiller planet, a bit of a waste of a setup and resources, and Luke dessapearing after failing with Kylo's Jedi training. Instead of dealing with it, he just ran and hide (I suppose in Ep VIII we will get more detailes on this).
uncelestial
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The anger of the people arguing against the Mary Sue thing is really weird. Is it really so unimaginable that a PG-13 kids-friendly fantasy romp didn't have the most nuanced/believable writing ever? Are you sure it's sexist to complain about flimsy female characters and not feminist? Why, exactly, are you so mad?
This premise is bunk. Lots of people think Captain America and James Bond are over-powerful boring clowns. Most recently, in the Spectre thread bunches of people rolled eyes at Bond, especially his #360noscope accuracy in Blofeld's base.
Millions of people straight up don't care about Marvel heroes because they're one-dimensional power fantasies. If you aren't seeing those criticisms maybe it's because those people have wrote those movies off years ago.
That's fine. I just get a laugh because I always think about something like the very beginning of the film and the end of Raiders. All that hard work for nothing.
True.
Messypandas
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The less Maz monologuing the better
Bobby Roberts
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boooooooooOOOOOO to you, Panda.
She looks like an orange with buttholes for eyes. Yeah.
But I like how she likes that Wookiee.
They didn't really interact much at all, but if it wasn't for Obi-Wan talking to Chewie and deciding to hire Han, then Han and Leia would never have met.
Well, we are talking about the lady who got over the destruction of her entire planet pretty quickly
blackdevil
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do you mean rebels? no, its between 3 and 4
Also, Poe has to be there where Finn decides not to meet with his family. Because A) Finn couldn't get there or go back on his own since he's a terrible pilot, and B) Poe is his bro fo'sho'.
Well, the idea isn't that Finn defines himself by where he comes from. It's that - being raised the way he was, without a family - he wants to know where he comes from, and as it turns out he's just comes from an ordinary family. No magical lineage, no legendary ancestors, or royalty or whatever. He's just a guy from an ordinary family that were oppressed and robbed of their son. In realising that he wants to protect his family from afar, Finn also decides that he wants to do the right thing for the right reasons for everyone.
What stood out to me in TFA is that Finn really didn't give a fuck about anyone that he didn't feel any attachment to. He lied and manipulated to get himself out of harm's way and really endangered himself for Rey. He only looks after himself and the people he cares for, that's his code - and it's great he has one - but it's not really heroic. What about the other countless lives he could have tried to save?
That's why I think it would be so fitting for Finn to having that moment of clarity and new purpose of looking out for everyone because if his family had someone like that then maybe his life would have turned out differently. That renewed purpose and determination is what would make him an asset to the Resistance and/or a great Jedi.
Monocle
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No she's awesome.
But it being New Hope was not neccessary at all yet it works. Them using Lupita's line would'vd been unneccessary, but probably would've worked
- How easy Leia and Chewie went over Han death
I choose to think that their grieving time is off screen, and that Leia isn't exactly over it, but being the head of the Resistance she can't give into personal emotions in public.
I'm reiterating but I wouldn't call Rey exactly a Mary Sue...mostly because her strong moments (mostly against Ren) were really really good.
For me it was just that out of all the main new characters (except probably Poe), she gets the less real development but is pushed the hardest. I don't really know more about Rey at the end of the movie that I did at the beginning in regards to her character or backstory.
I'm still very interested in what will happen to her and I still liked her character a lot. But a lot of her interest comes from having powers or her association with luke. The training will hopefully bring her out more as a person as it did for luke in episode 5 as it was one of the best parts of Empire Strikes back..
And I think that's fair to say in a movie mostly driven by character development first rather than just dumb action like in James Bond without immediately labeled a sexist. However I do think the character was still completely fine. Just wished we had a bit more to back all her skills and importance just to solidify her a bit more
For me it was just that out of all the main new characters (except probably Poe), she gets the less real development but is pushed the hardest. I don't really know more about Rey at the end of the movie that I did at the beginning in regards to her character or backstory.
I'm still very interested in what will happen to her and I still liked her character a lot. But a lot of her interest comes from having powers or her association with luke. The training will hopefully bring her out more as a person as it did for luke in episode 5 as it was one of the best parts of Empire Strikes back..
And I think that's fair to say in a movie mostly driven by character development first rather than just dumb action like in James Bond without immediately labeled a sexist. However I do think the character was still completely fine. Just wished we had a bit more to back all her skills and importance just to solidify her a bit more
I kinda liked her too despite being a cheap plot device.
But no, she more than enough lines in this movie.
Rey goes from a scavenger to doing all the amazing things she's never done before. Jason Bourne was a trained killer from the moment we see him. If Jason Bourne was some car mechanic who then proceeded to outmatch and kill all the highly trained assassins sent after him, then people would probably start questioning it. I like Rey a lot, she might be my favourite character, I wanted more of her and the new lot and less of the old, but the complaints have nothing to do with her being a female. Leia could handle herself and you don't see the same criticisms aimed her way.
DiipuSurotu
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When Han told Finn "A woman always finds out", did that mean that Han knew Finn was lying about being a member of the Resistance? It's kinda fitting because Han was also a traitor, what with him defecting from the Empire after he refused to execute Chewie.
Nestled_Grizzly
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Yea Han knew.
Perhaps even a...special edition
They've never done it then, they're not doing it now (SE stuff aside)
brandonh83
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You won't find me taking issue with subtlety when it is there, is all I'm saying. Plenty about the movie was cool enough. I didn't need a repeated voice over telling me what's happening in that scene.
And I didn't think it was ANH so there's that.
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TangoAlphaLima
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The one thing I struggle with this movie is Rey's sudden abilities with the force, and it just occured to me how they might have been able to explain it slightly better. What if, when Rey touches Luke's lightsaber for the first time, the flashback happens, then when it's over, they cut to Rey still holding the lightsaber, but levitating dozens of Maz's antiquities around her, then she suddenly realizes she's doing it, and they all drop to the floor? Then Maz is standing at the doorway, having witnessed it. Such a scene could have indicated that Rey suddenly unleashed something inside her when she experienced the flashback, which was hinted at, but was not obvious. Maybe it would be overkill, but I would've liked it.
If that's all it takes then there is no way Rey is a Mary Sue either.
I've seen it twice now and I actually liked it a lot more on the second viewing. I suppose it's because I knew what I was going into so I was able to judge it for what it was rather than being skeptical because of how often it rhymes with ANH like poetry.
The destruction of Starkiller Base bothers me less than it did on the first round, but I won't be happy if they have another one in a few episodes like what they did with the Death Star, which was only blown up since they weren't sure if there would be more.
I'll say a nice thing about Phantom Menace and say that the Death Star equivalent that they blew up wasn't bigged up to be the ultimate weapon or directly compared to the Death Star the same way Starkiller Base was. But hey, this stuff didn't bother me while I was watching it. Only when I think about it.
The destruction of Starkiller Base bothers me less than it did on the first round, but I won't be happy if they have another one in a few episodes like what they did with the Death Star, which was only blown up since they weren't sure if there would be more.
I'll say a nice thing about Phantom Menace and say that the Death Star equivalent that they blew up wasn't bigged up to be the ultimate weapon or directly compared to the Death Star the same way Starkiller Base was. But hey, this stuff didn't bother me while I was watching it. Only when I think about it.
blackdevil
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btw. Did Rey cut off Rens hand? or was it part of the lightsaber?
I think he has both has hands
I still call her Raz Kanata.
Oh god can't unsee.
Twas just about to post this, myself.
You bet your ass Rey's lineage will come into play immediately in Episode VIII.
Bobby Roberts
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I think it was the Lightsaber. That ending wasn't shot or edited very well. It's weird.
I'm not suggesting the scene is too subtle as it is. I'm suggesting it's not cool enough.
Again, necessity has nothing to do with this. Need isn't a component at all. It could have been a cooler scene, and it wasn't.
Bobby Roberts
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dp. Whoops.
I really don't wany her parents to be any of the established characters. Not Luke, not Obi-Wan, nobody. Just people who left her on the hellhole that is Jakku
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