It's not hard, but it's time consuming and annoying.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
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It's not hard, but it's time consuming and annoying.
This. You can be doing it perfectly without getting hit once and then, get one shotted by his magic because a spider crept up to you. Its tedious.
Everyone has different experiences with the bosses.... I found Rom incredibly easy with Ludwigs, and Laurence was beaten on my fifth try. The hardest boss for me was the Blood Starved beast. I tried beating him over a weekend, was put off for a week, spent a day learning his moveset and beat him the next day. Also, the Witch of Hemwick was quite hard for me as well, because the dark shadow beings would always overwhelm me, or the Witch would use that magic AoE that would instakill me. And then, I found out there were two of them and they can revive each other... sheesh.
Yeah that's my experience with Rom. A lot of luck is involved. Sometimes Rom is an asshole and spams that meteor move too.
Shadow_Lord
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That's why you always kill his spiders first before dealing with him.
Everything about Rom is a one hit kill which can be frustrating , sure you can glitch him down to 1/3 health, but from there you have to get in to hit him multiple times, all while avoiding blue meteors , 1 shotting spiders , an Aoe attack that can kill you , oh and lets not forget about the rising meteor attack that is random , and finally he can just smack you in the face.
Now fight him In an FRC chalice dungeon where your health is halfed.
Just frustrating to roll out of the way of a meteor to have a magical jumping spider nail you from above.
Rom isn't hard at all. He's very easy but the mechanics of the fight are annoying. Having to kill the spiders is annoying. Getting one shot by the meteor attack because you got clipped by a spider( or he spat at you) is annoying. Sometimes Rom will just spam the meteor attack over and over and you can't do anything but run away making the fight annoying. I get why there are spiders in the fight because without them, this boss would be a complete joke of a fight but that doesn't mean that the fight isn't annoying.
Unless you don't put a reasonable number of points into Vit, you're never going to get 1 shot outside of counter hits. Also, the rising meteor is not random. He will do it when he flips upside down.
Xux
Member
I've tried those a few times but it only seems to have dropped the first time. Or maybe the drop rate's low.
I could've sworn the red eye hunters didn't respawn but I guess they changed that.
Orochinagis
Member
So Ludwing is his own santa and reindeer
Really? Lecture building is the worst level in the main game IMO because it's exactly as you describe Research Hall, just mostly empty boring rooms. I always call it the "Bloodborne by Platinum Games" level. Research Hall is a lot more labyrinthine and has enough unique rooms. The way the paths change with the staircase is pretty cool too.
Fishing Hamlet I did find boring though. It doesn't have very impressive visuals and layout is very linear until the second lamp.
The levels in the DLC mostly don't match the main game. There are none that are as visually impressive as what is found in the main game and layout is not that interesting. The best things are the new weapons and bosses.
Orochinagis
Member
The main game is linear as much you can see in the DLC but the artistic enviroment blind most of the players with its beauty.
I think that's one of the great things about the game. The boss fights are so well done that they can pose different challenges for players with different styles and experience. When going thru the chalice dungeons I learned that the main thing is to stay cool and watch the enemies carefully as they usually telegraph their movements quite well and then it's just about knowing which way to dodge and what moves can be punished. There are still some nasty one-shot kill moves on some of them.
I found Rom quite easy as well. On my first go the Tonitrus made short work of him since he's weak to bolt and on second time (as well as chalice dungeon version) pizza cutter with bolt paper eats him up. I don't even kill the spiders, just avoid them enough that they don't kill me.
Likewise the Witches are no trouble when you figure out there's a second one and just completely ignore the shadow dudes.
On my first playthrough the most difficult enemy for me was
Martyr Logarius
There's a lot more alternate paths and hidden shortcuts that loop back to the main paths in the main levels. Especially the first level provides some great "wait this comes back to here?!" moments.
Thats what makes it tedious.
Uh, The Living Failures feel very similar right now...fuck this boss.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Rom is piss easy for me. Like, really, really easy. All of her attacks can be reliably avoided, and it's easy to provoke her to not use her most damaging attack (the meteor rain). I *always* kill her guardians first though.
My most hated boss is easily Blood Starved Beast. There's just something... about it... that I really, really, really hate. Oh, and the Pthumerian Elder in the last required Chalice Dungeon for the platinum. That fucker doesn't play by the same rules as the player in how he attacks; his double boomerang can pass through pillars and walls and that is very, very, very, very cheap and I hate it.
My most hated boss is easily Blood Starved Beast. There's just something... about it... that I really, really, really hate. Oh, and the Pthumerian Elder in the last required Chalice Dungeon for the platinum. That fucker doesn't play by the same rules as the player in how he attacks; his double boomerang can pass through pillars and walls and that is very, very, very, very cheap and I hate it.
thefragrance
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The Blood Starved Beast is definitely the boss that gave me the most trouble on my first playthrough, and the defiled version still kicked my ass. I gave up on parrying and just started aggroing the mofo on fire paper and beast pellets.
Also, that's the Descendant! The elder carries a cane and a spear. IMO he's twice as hard--no decent strategy online has helped me beat him consistently.
Backstabs and parries man. They give you a lot of windows to perform them.
Bosses impact each person differently. I beat main campaign Rom 2/2.
The chalice dungeon Rom can be annoying though. I thought the magic attacks were significantly harder to telegraph due to the terrain.
Rom is not that difficult, but the fight is annoying. I hate boss fights with enemies around. In Rom's case, it's justified, but I still hate it.
I'm okay with BSB now, I know his moveset by heart, but I totally agree about the Pthumerian in Ihyll. The blades passing through the pillars are just bullshit.
Bosses I hate the most are Paarl/Loran (because camera and "holy shit, stop moving, asshole, you're big and I can't even reach you") and Bloodletting Beast (camera and "wtf hitbox" sometimes).
Yeah and the worst in the story is that I managed to reach his second phase on my first try (I summoned Valtr to help me, of course), so I thought "yes it's possible! I can beat him at this lvl!". So I tried again, again and again, until I had no Insight left. I didn't want to give up, but for the sake of my sanity, I had to put a stop lol
Once you kill one of them, stay in a place where they respawn and you can kill it before it even gets up to attack you.
The homing spells are really slow, the magic bubbles are slightly faster, and the meteor attack can be avoided really easily by staying behind the flowers in the centre on the left hand side as you go into the arena.
If you're within a certain distance from him he wouldn't use the meteor attack, also, if slip outside it and he used meteor, they don't fall too close to him.
Morrigan Stark
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Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
xChildOfHatex
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Never had much problem with Rom. I think I defeated him on my second or third try the first time I played the game and I find the Chalice Rom even easier because you can just hug the pillars and let him waste his arcane meteor rain.
Pthumerian elder, I've never had any problems with, but that might be because the two times I've faced him have been either with a fully upgraded Chikage and Evelyn or with a fully upgraded Burial Blade, so I finished him off on my first try both times and didn't even have to use too many blood vials. I'm guessing you would have a problem if you're not as over-leveled as I was, so I can't really comment on this boss' difficulty.
BSB is piss-easy anywhere. Though, I will admit that I spent most of a day trying to understand his moveset and the best way to kill him, the first time I went head-to-head with him. Now, I can just visceral him to death.
I will say that the Loran Darkbeast is a complete asshole and the camera just goes wild during the fight so that doesn't help either. Even if you use the Threaded Cane, you'll whiff more often than you hit (at least that's what happens to me).
I hated the Abhorrent Beast a lot, but yesterday I learned that you can basically break his jaw and visceral him for huge damage (if you have a skill character, which most of mine are) so now I just kinda enjoy the fight, even the Lower Loran Chalice one with that god-awful cramped arena.
Abhorrent Beast can be a huuuge pain in the ass, indeed. I always use the poison trick to deal with him, though, haha (I know it's a little cowardly, but fuck him srsly).
I didn't know you can even get a visceral on him. How do you do that? I've already killed him twice in the dungeons though.
Morrigan Stark
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Whoa, didn't know that either. Never could get a visceral on him. Video?
So basically hit him really hard with a long weapon and hope it hits him while he attacks. Risky strategy, especially since in NG+ most of his attacks make big damage.
ng+ has no effect on chalice dungeons
xChildOfHatex
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I don't know if it'll work as well with other weapons, but all you have to do is keep baiting his punches and that quick jab of his, then smack him in the face with the threaded cane's whip mode R1 and quickly back away. He'll stagger after about 20% of his health is gone, then you can visceral him for a pretty neat chunk of his HP bar (I was skill 50, so your mileage might vary depending upon the skill stat). This strategy doesn't work if you haven't got the timing of his attacks down and I find his attacks to have really odd timing. You could, theoretically speaking, finish him off in the Ailing Loran Chalice without understanding his whole moveset, but in lower loran, the arena is pretty cramped and he's resistant to poison, so you'll have to eventually get the timing of your dashes down.
You can visceral him at least twice which will take away about 40% of his health with a fully upgraded weapon and decent, if not great gems. Clawmark runes also help.
Yep. Though he might have been talking about the cannibal in the forest. I don't know how hard it is to beat him coz I've never engaged him as I always send him to fake Iosefka.
oh yeah i forgot about that one
Laurence
and finallly beat ook by getting super agressive in the second phase and just constantly dodging behind and beating it up
Machinehead
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I went back to this game <3 (vacations, yay!)
I started a new character and have beaten Rom again, now with a skill char. The fight was way easier with a strength one, due to Tonitrus. I remember spamming R1 and never looking back - just hopping back twice when he was going to AoE. I didn't even kill the spiders. With my trusty cane, I had to take down the spiders, but it was still easy.
Then, I wanted to get the Blades of Mercy, so I went to the hunter in the cathedral. Man, what a hard fight for my level. If he parries me, I'm dead, and he certainly does it if I'm too greedy. I think I've tried it 5 times already. So I decided to try the DLC, look for a weapon to help me - my +6 cane was just chipping away his health, as I can't put many hit before having to back away. The DLC is HARD. First enemy, a hunter. Took me 6 blood vials to take him down! Parrying is hard, and his attack has a huge horizontal range! But I was able to explore the area and find quite a lot of equipment <3 I ran past most enemies, of course!
Unfortunately, most trick weapons are strength-based =| the only skill one I found was the Beasthunter Saif and WOW, it is amazing! I put a fire Gem in it and now it is God-like. Now I feel I can beat the Hunter in the cathedral. I got to the boss also, Ludwig, and I feel it is doable, but not at my level. I was able to chip away half of its health, but 25 skill and a +6 cane are ridiculously underleveled for it.
I started a new character and have beaten Rom again, now with a skill char. The fight was way easier with a strength one, due to Tonitrus. I remember spamming R1 and never looking back - just hopping back twice when he was going to AoE. I didn't even kill the spiders. With my trusty cane, I had to take down the spiders, but it was still easy.
Then, I wanted to get the Blades of Mercy, so I went to the hunter in the cathedral. Man, what a hard fight for my level. If he parries me, I'm dead, and he certainly does it if I'm too greedy. I think I've tried it 5 times already. So I decided to try the DLC, look for a weapon to help me - my +6 cane was just chipping away his health, as I can't put many hit before having to back away. The DLC is HARD. First enemy, a hunter. Took me 6 blood vials to take him down! Parrying is hard, and his attack has a huge horizontal range! But I was able to explore the area and find quite a lot of equipment <3 I ran past most enemies, of course!
Unfortunately, most trick weapons are strength-based =| the only skill one I found was the Beasthunter Saif and WOW, it is amazing! I put a fire Gem in it and now it is God-like. Now I feel I can beat the Hunter in the cathedral. I got to the boss also, Ludwig, and I feel it is doable, but not at my level. I was able to chip away half of its health, but 25 skill and a +6 cane are ridiculously underleveled for it.
xChildOfHatex
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You can easily parry all the hunters in the Hunter's Nightmare. If you're having trouble with hunters who use beast cutters, their attacks have a very long wind up animation and the parry frames are pretty forgiving. I guess the best way is to practice on the first hunter and keep doing that over and over till you get better. I also love how the enemies in the Hunter's Nightmare can be baited into killing each other. The Nightmare Executioner in the church polished off two hunters for me.
Also, about Ludwig, I agree. I went after him right after finishing off Amelia and he one-shot me at around level 30. I went back after killing off Gehrman and getting my trusty Burial Blade to +10 and finished him off on my second try.
If you're looking for Skill-based weapon in the DLC, the Rakuyo is VERY popular. I've saved up chunks and a blood rock for it, so the next step is to find it and get that fucker up to +10.
Then I guess some of the higher depth dungeons are just at NG+something level to begin with? Because normal enemies tend to take quite a few hits even with weapons that make something like base+500 damage and bosses have hefty health bars. I'm in the last dungeon (Pthumery Ihyll) now and have trouble even with my 50/40/50/50/50/50 character in NG+.
Thanks. Was able to get them at last!
You should play till mergo's loft and farm the winter lanterns there for 19.8 % physical atk gems and upgrade your weapons to +9. You should also be around level 80-90 when you start the DLC. Morover, DO NOT use your chunks on the beasthunter Saif because the crescent slot is usually for elemental gem and they scale off arcane. There is a bath messenger in one of the earlier chalice dungeons (not sure if it's depth 2 or 3 but you can Google it) that will sell you a Saif with two radials and a triangle slot or if you insist on using it, slap a droplet shaped physical gem on the crescent slot.
xChildOfHatex
Member
Yeah, Depth 5 dungeons are basically NG+ content.
Machinehead
Member
You can easily parry all the hunters in the Hunter's Nightmare. If you're having trouble with hunters who use beast cutters, their attacks have a very long wind up animation and the parry frames are pretty forgiving. I guess the best way is to practice on the first hunter and keep doing that over and over till you get better. I also love how the enemies in the Hunter's Nightmare can be baited into killing each other. The Nightmare Executioner in the church polished off two hunters for me.
Also, about Ludwig, I agree. I went after him right after finishing off Amelia and he one-shot me at around level 30. I went back after killing off Gehrman and getting my trusty Burial Blade to +10 and finished him off on my second try.
If you're looking for Skill-based weapon in the DLC, the Rakuyo is VERY popular. I've saved up chunks and a blood rock for it, so the next step is to find it and get that fucker up to +10.
Those are some VERY helpful tips! Thanks everyone =3
Are those 19.8% without negative effects? I'm not sure I've got those from them. Haven't found any 27% in the chalice dungeons yet either.
Were you on NG? Most people who complain about him are on NG++ or higher where he is really hard. Pretty much anything kills you in one hit even with highest fire resist and 50 Vit. On NG he is okay and a decent challenge.
edit.
Why farm Winter Lanters when you get two +18% physical up and one +15% atk up gems just by picking them up? Those Winter Lantern drops usually also have negatives while the ones you find don't have negatives.
Are those 19.8% without negative effects? I'm not sure I've got those from them. Haven't found any 27% in the chalice dungeons yet either.
The best gems have - effects so you look for those, more often than not the gem you want is dropped by a boss.
Theres spreadsheets out there with glyph codes for the best chalice dungeons, most of the time the best gems will be in Fettid Rotted Cursed dungeons which makes the dungeon harder but gives you more reward.
Basically if your gem hunting you want to hit root chalice ihyll and isz as fast as possible and create frc root chalices of them so you can farm the bosses you want for the gems you want.
All the good gems have a negative attached to them and its about choosing which negative you want , most people look for gems with - weapon durability or increase stamina gems
I presumed that he wants to use the cane plus the Saif. If he plans on using just one then farming one droplet 19.8% gem should be enough.
They have negative effects but stuff like +stsmina usage, durability down and - kin are pretty okay curses. Also, you need to go pretty deep into the chalice dungeons for the 27.2% ones and they're cursed as well. I can give you pointers if you want.Are those 19.8% without negative effects? I'm not sure I've got those from them. Haven't found any 27% in the chalice dungeons yet either.
Well there is that. I usually just take the gems out of my weapon and put them into new one if I want to use other weapon. Don't really care for having ability to switch weapons mid fight.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
Finally got the Rakuyo. I had to use Shaman Bone Blade but whatever, coward shouldn't have ran to his buddy anyway.
Orphan of Kos is kicking the crap out of me. Still haven't beaten Watchdog of the Old Lords in Cursed Defiled but I'll try now with Simon's Bowblade.
Orphan of Kos is kicking the crap out of me. Still haven't beaten Watchdog of the Old Lords in Cursed Defiled but I'll try now with Simon's Bowblade.