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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up
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WadiumArcadium
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Yeah, it's pretty hilarious. Clueless.
Really? I didn't detect any salt in that interview.
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Kinda have already it looks like.
BFIB
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I didn't really take it as "salt". I took it more that Lucas clearly was going to "reinvent" the feeling of his saga, like he did in the PT, and Disney clearly wanted to give a fan service film. For all intents and purposes, that is exactly what TFA is. I think Disney's approach was the one to take, but you also have to put yourself in the shoes of Lucas, to see the entity that you created, be handled and have no say whatsoever. To do what he said he did "break up entirely", that had to be extremely difficult.
People do not give Lucas the credit he deserves. You can hate the PT all you want, but they are cannon, they are not going anywhere.
Agreed. He may have disappointed me with the prequels but he's the reason SW exists and he's a pretty awesome human being. He deserve criticism as any filmmaker does but not open scorn or hate.
-ImaginaryInsider
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This is one cool ass poster.
Holy crap, can I buy this?
What...?
Messypandas
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OMG he SOOOOO salty that they took the characters he made and created another vaguely different kind of movie that excelled on all the aspects his originals were known for. SAAAAAALLLLTTTTTTTT
Ether_Snake
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It's a movie, not D-Day, no need to be grateful for someone making a movie.
Star Wars like any other movie is just a bunch of ideas, Hollywood is littered with ideas, it's the execution that matters.
LordOfChaos
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That's something I was wondering about. In the old canon at least, regular non-force users weren't supposed to be able to use lightsabers without killing themselves because of the reaction times they required. Did they just loosen that requirement canonically? Or could this be another hint that Fin has some force sensitivity?
DiipuSurotu
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Messypandas
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HP Lovecrafts: Star Wars
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those are AMAZING.
crazy monkey
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why is bad guy wearing mask when his face is fine?
Um, I'm pretty sure No George Lucas = No Star Wars.
To scare people and for protection.
Messypandas
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No-one knew who he was until he put it on.
Bobby Roberts
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Because bad guy is mentally unstable tryhard man.
WadiumArcadium
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If you mean Kylo Ren, he's inspired by his grandfather and wants to be like him. Plus, the mask makes him seem more menacing.
Bobby Roberts
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Also, can we get an artist credit on those images? I wanna know who made those.
DiipuSurotu
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Modern audiences are so strange. How can someone not understand why Kylo wears a mask, while watching the film? Seriously. It was plain obvious to me.
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I'm not the one suggesting anyone to feel any way or calling names (ungrateful disgusting fanboy? lol) over how others feel.
Bobby Roberts
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Thanks!
ryutaro's mama
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Man, we all gave GL shit for the PT but this is heartbreaking to watch. I don't know how I would feel if my legacy was moving forward without me and I had zero input in its direction.
The break-up analogy was spot on but still sad to see.
Dropping out of hyperspace against the Starkiller was a legitimate tactic because they wanted to get through its shield, a fleet with huge ships dropping too close to the planet (that doesn't have any shields) doesn't leave time to launch an offensive without alerting the rebels.
A different, more recent weapon has advantages over the old model.
Because the Empire is... well, an empire with loads of resources and a huge fleet while the FO is a group of rebels.
That was stupid.
Imperfected
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The hyperspace tunneling through shields thing is somewhat problematic in a grander sense, but I was willing to overlook it in the moment because it subverted my expectations for where that plot hook was going. (As soon as Han told Leia she "wouldn't like" his plan I assumed his intention was to get the Falcon captured by Kylo with Finn hidden away in stowage, which would have been a pretty cliche way of doing it and raised at least as many questions about how the First Order could possibly fall for such an obvious ploy.)
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It certainly begs the question that if the First Order can afford to build a planet death star, why don't they just take that money and use it to build an entire fleet of star destoyers and use them to occupy the system they were going after? I mean, I have no military experience or anything but being able to occupy the planets would make far more sense since you could actually use the manpower and resources on them.
Also, a fleet of thousands of tie fighters and star destroyers is way harder to destroy with a single fleet of x-wings unlike their dumb planet.
Maybe Snoke is just like some kind of ISIS dude who only cares about destroying things.
Also, a fleet of thousands of tie fighters and star destroyers is way harder to destroy with a single fleet of x-wings unlike their dumb planet.
Maybe Snoke is just like some kind of ISIS dude who only cares about destroying things.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
So what would Episode VII look like if GL made it?
Since he dislikes introducing new characters to the franchise, I guess Palpatine survives and resurrects Darth Vader. And it's Luke, Han and Leia vs the Empire again.
Since he dislikes introducing new characters to the franchise, I guess Palpatine survives and resurrects Darth Vader. And it's Luke, Han and Leia vs the Empire again.
ryutaro's mama
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Naw, he has gone on record saying his Episode 7 would have been about the grandchildren (plural) so that makes me believe that the story would have including the children of Leia, Han and Luke.
Interestingly enough, I don't know that the original 3 come back if GL is helming. That is especially true for Harrison Ford, methinks.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The original rumor was actually that his treatment focused too much on the next generation and didn't focus on the original cast enough. Also that the next generation was too young and it gave Disney Phantom Menace vibes.
He has mentioned bits and pieces for decades but he contradicts himself often.
I remember reading that his original plan (this was before ROTJ came out) was to have Vader die in EP 6 but keep the Emperor alive and have 7-9 be Luke trying to take down the Emperor. I can't find it anymore though since googling "George Lucas Episode 7" brings up all new stuff now.
He obviously changed that when ROTJ came out. By the mid-80s he was convinced that he was only going to do prequels and there would never be an Episode 7. He wrote the 7-9 treatments fairly close to the disney sale.
I think they all come back because he helped make their careers. You're also forgetting that Harrison came back for Crystal Skull lol.
DiipuSurotu
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Actually Abrams has stated that Lucas' treatment was rejected because it centered around very young characters, probably at the expense of the old cast:
Imperfected
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I don't think it's hard to get Harrison Ford to agree to do a movie, it's just hard to get him to stay awake during the shooting of that movie. (See also: Ender's Game.)
I wonder what got him to do a fantastic performance in TFA. Was it the insane amount of money they gave him? Was it because he actually cares of Star Wars? Is it because he likes JJ?
Whatever it was, I'm glad he actually tried. The only difference between Han Solo then and now is just his age, he couldn't have done a better job.
BFIB
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Ha, yeah, I like how Charlie Rose quickly intercepted that.
"Star Wars is great! No need to thank Lucas, though, because it's just a bunch of Hollywood ideas"
"The Star Wars prequels suck! BLAME LUCAS! DEATH to Lucas!"
I'm beginning to understand this twisted line of thinking. And it sucks.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
We're not talking eu lol. We're talking canon.
ViewtifulJC
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Forgive me. I feel it again...the call from light. Supreme Leader senses it. Show me again, the power of the darkness, and I'll let nothing stand in our way. Show me, grandfather, and I will finish what you started.
best non-BB8 character tbh
Imperfected
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Hard to say. I assume he had to at least somewhat like the script. Maybe JJ's focus on practical effects and location shooting was also nostalgic for him. Maybe the sheer scope of passion on display (with things like the Falcon set they created and the like) was just infectious; that certainly seemed to be the case for a lot of the new actors, many of whom came in with little connection to Star Wars, comparatively, due to their age.
Heck, maybe he just has a good sense for the trajectory of projects he's on, and he felt like this was going to be a good movie and wanted to put in an honest effort, whereas with Ender's Game he could feel it wasn't going to be spectacular and phoned it in.
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Well yeah when you make up your own quotes I'm sure you can imagine all sorts of things.
Hell yes! Driver was great as Kylo Ren. My new favorite SW villain, second only to Vader.
Given his obsession with finding Luke I wonder if the bolded means to kill Luke or turn him like Vader tried.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Unfortunately your chosen medium has to fit everything into two hours.
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