Support NeoGAF

[EdibleKnife]

Sure. Show me a voting member or give me an anecdote of a voting member suggesting that white actors generally deliver more Oscar worthy performances. In a town that size, with that much booze running through it it can't be that hard to get someone to slip.

You have heard of implicit bias right? People can declare one thing and generally still perform in a way that's detrimental to another group. An Academy member doesn't have to say that they they truly believe black actors are worse, they just have to vote with their implicit bias of preferring white actors which they may or may not be fully aware of. They're not evil for holding that type of implicit bias, but an unwillingness to recognize it and in turn work toward changing those attitudes leads to a structure that is racist. That just is what it is.

 

[Toxi]

Maybe minorities are just not good enough.

Hollywood is a true merit based industiry

The first dude is Ryan Reynolds, but who's the second?

 

[Bold One]

The Oscars are complete bullshit - and wow at Michael Cain...jesus.

This is no surprise from Caine actually, I believe there is a clip of an interview done in the 70s or so of him bemoaning the changing times and the fall of the British Empire

 

[Slayven]

The first dude is Ryan Reynolds, but who's the second?

Max Landis

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

What an incredibly idiotic thing to say.

There is no way for a white person on a white majority (rule and/or population) nation to experience racism.

Prejudice yes, racism, the institutional structure of oppression, no.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Really dumb comments.

It costs around $3,500 to prepare a Hollywood actress for the red carpet

Bloody hell.

Best Actor winners can expect a $3.9m salary increase

It’s just $500k for Best Actress winners

That is fucking ridiculous.

 

[JTripper]

The first dude is Ryan Reynolds, but who's the second?

Max Landis, a screenwriter/internet geek celebrity/son of prolific 80s director John Landis.

 

[BlueInfinity22]

Racism is a structure where white people is at the top of the hierarchy thus when viewing racism as a structure there can be no racism to white people.

I know you said this ironically, but there's actually people who believe this lmao

EDIT:

There is no way for a white person on a white majority (rule and/or population) nation to experience racism.

Prejudice yes, racism, the institutional structure of oppression, no.

Speak of the devil...

 

[Dram]

The first dude is Ryan Reynolds, but who's the second?

Max Landis he's a screenwriter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Landis

 

[Toxi]

Max Landis

Max Landis, a screenwriter/internet geek celebrity/son of prolific 80s director John Landis.

Max Landis he's a screenwriter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Landis

Thanks.

This is no surprise from Caine actually, I believe there is a clip of an interview done in the 70s or so of him bemoaning the changing times and the fall of the British Empire

"A long time ago, I was in Burma. My friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So, we went looking for the stones."

 

[ANDS]

What are you doing then?

Did you literally just read up to "racist?"

What is that "something else"?

How many movies are released in any one year? How many of those movies reach a critical or cultural consensus that almost guarantees their inclusion in the Acting categories? How many of those star non-whites?

The only year in recent memory where I fell out of my chair at the nominations was the debacle with SELMA.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The first dude is Ryan Reynolds, but who's the second?

That's Max Landis.

Had a friend once tell me "Of course Max Landis can't see past his own privilege. His dad literally got three people killed and it didn't matter."

Did you literally just read up to "racist?"

No. Answer my question, if you would. If you're cognizant of the factors at play, and not even denying those factors exist, are real, and are a key reason as to why the industry and their awards aren't very inclusive, why are you arguing against that reality?

What's in it for you to do that?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Did you literally just read up to "racist?"



How many movies are released in any one year? How many of those movies reach a critical or cultural consensus that almost guarantees their inclusion in the Acting categories? How many of those star non-whites?

The only year in recent memory where I fell out of my chair at the nominations was the debacle with SELMA.

So you're suggesting that black people just get overlooked?

 

[inky]

He's 82... fucking hell.

 

[Cipherr]

A point she made, which isn't hard to agree with, is that demanding their be diversity/minority nominations simply for the sake of diversity isn't the answer.

I guess it's a great thing NO ONE is fucking asking for that then. Why don't we give YOU a little golden statue for the best execution of arguing with yourself; Absolutely no one reasonable is asking for a goddamned quota system. Would be absolutely lovely if people could stop making that shit up and trotting it out.

 

[APF]

The point is, if you are forced to accept white supremacy (non-whites just aren't good enough) in order to maintain the illusion that a system is meritocratic, then this is a good indication the system itself is at fault.

 

[Bubba T]

It is outstanding that with the history of this country some people still think racism is farfetched. What's interesting is somehow the purpertators somehow are the "victims".

We live in a country where we rounded up a group of people and put them in internment camps just because of what they look like. Or burn down someone's home because of what they kissed a white girl. Or publicly protest against black kids for attending a previously all-white school. Or having an unarmed black kid shot and killed by the police because he looked "suspicious".

But somehow a couple of black celebrities publicly boycotting an awards show that doesn't represent them is reverse racism.

Incredible.

 

[aeolist]

Exactly. Those Oscar bait movies aren't going to cast black people because the Academy predominantly nominates white people.

well there's that, but it's also that the academy members are screenwriters, directors, producers, and studio execs. literally the exact same people who make casting and production decisions for major films.

if hollywood isn't making enough diverse movies to which awards can be given that is still on the academy

 

[theignoramus]

“Diverse” simply means a place without any White people in it.

So every time they talk about a “lack of diversity”, they have said what their object is : a place that becomes less and less White – which is genocide.

That’s why diversity is a codeword for White genocide..

This is a quality troll post.
I see the exact same rhetoric constantly from Trump supporters

 

[ANDS]

So you're suggesting that black people just get overlooked?

10 people out of hundreds are getting overlooked. The lack of representation of black actors in high profile projects is simply going to compound their lack of recognition.

No.

You obviously did or you wouldn't be asking the question.

I guess it's a great thing NO ONE is fucking asking for that then. Why don't we give YOU a little golden statue for the best execution of arguing with yourself; Absolutely no one reasonable is asking for a goddamned quota system. Would be absolutely lovely if people could stop making that shit up and trotting it out.

In the middle of your indignation did you actually READ the article in question?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I know you said this ironically, but there's actually people who believe this lmao

EDIT:



Speak of the devil...

Okay junior, can you please enumerate the institutional oppression that white people receive in the United States?

 

[number47]

I guess it's a great thing NO ONE is fucking asking for that then. Why don't we give YOU a little golden statue for the best execution of arguing with yourself; Absolutely no one reasonable is asking for a goddamned quota system. Would be absolutely lovely if people could stop making that shit up and trotting it out.

Well SOMEONE wants transparency on how to get a nomination for a racist award show. Granted why would I want a award from racist folks?

 

[aeolist]

I know you said this ironically, but there's actually people who believe this lmao

EDIT:



Speak of the devil...

these people are using a different definition for the term "racism" than you are

 

[Slayven]

That's Max Landis.

Had a friend once tell me "Of course Max Landis can't see past his own privilege. His dad literally got three people killed and it didn't matter."

Damn that is so stone cold true.

 

[Bubba T]

This is a quality troll post.
I see the exact same rhetoric constantly from Trump supporters

The oppressors are somehow the victims.

 

[SpaceWolf]

That's Max Landis.

Had a friend once tell me "Of course Max Landis can't see past his own privilege. His dad literally got three people killed and it didn't matter."

I'm not really engaged in this conversation, but I hope you didn't take that shit seriously, Bobby.

 

[A Link to the Past]

10 people out of hundreds are getting overlooked. The lack of representation of black actors in high profile projects is simply going to compound their lack of recognition.



You obviously did or you wouldn't be asking the question.

1. Hundreds of people are left out, but many of those weren't Coogler, Jordan, or Elba.

2. Why are you so averse to answering this question?

 

[soul creator]

#cantrelate

 

[Easy_D]

People like her hate all diversity, because diversity inherently harms the most powerful group.

People need to realise that the most powerful group is humanity as a whole some day and that we're only gonna get stronger if we can work together

 

[aeolist]

Granted why would I want a award from racist folks?

increased earnings, fame, influence, and work opportunities?

 

[BlueInfinity22]

these people are using a different definition for the term "racism" than you are

I wasn't aware there's room for interpretation for the definition of a word.

In fact, I'm pretty sure page 1 flat out posted it straight from the dictionary.

This thread can be summed up in one sentence: We hate White People, and Actors shouldn't be nominated on merit but being not-white.

 

[phazedplasma]

Thanks Charlotte

 

[aeolist]

I wasn't aware there's room for interpretation for the definition of a word.

look into how language evolves, it's fascinating stuff

 

[A Link to the Past]

I wasn't aware there's room for interpretation for the definition of a word.

In fact, I'm pretty sure page 1 flat out posted it straight from the dictionary.

This thread can be summed up in one sentence: We hate White People, and Actors shouldn't be nominated on merit but being not-white.

They posted six definitions

That is literally a perfect example of "room for interpretation"

well there's that, but it's also that the academy members are screenwriters, directors, producers, and studio execs. literally the exact same people who make casting and production decisions for major films.

if hollywood isn't making enough diverse movies to which awards can be given that is still on the academy

Ah yeah, an even better point

 

[number47]

increased earnings, fame, influence, and work opportunities?

But I'm confident in my own ability without racists help. In fact, I would pride myself on not working with racists.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You obviously did

No.

Just answer the question, please: If you're allowing (and apparently open to the idea) that racial biases can (and do) factor into the decisionmaking behind both the casting of non-White faces, and the voting for the industry's awards, why are you arguing against the suggestion said biases are a huge part of the very observable lack of diversity?

You telling me I haven't read your posts isn't an answer. It's also incorrect. And since you're obviously not averse to repeating yourself, you shouldn't have a problem being able to rephrase your answer to this question in as clear a manner as possible so as to prevent further misunderstanding.

If you're cognizant of the factors at play, and not even denying those factors exist, are real, and are a key reason as to why the industry and their awards aren't very inclusive, why are you arguing against that reality?

What's in it for you to do that?

 

[Slayven]

look into how language evolves, it's fascinating stuff

They posted six definitions

That is literally a perfect example of "room for interpretation"



Ah yeah, an even better point

I am an expert

Thats a burner account

 

[aeolist]

But I'm confident in my own ability without racists help. In fact, I would pride myself on not working with racists.

and i'm sure there are plenty of minorities in the film industry who feel this way and act accordingly, but i'm not going to blame others for wanting to make it big in an unfair world

 

[Siegcram]

I wasn't aware there's room for interpretation for the definition of a word.

In fact, I'm pretty sure page 1 flat out posted it straight from the dictionary.

This thread can be summed up in one sentence: We hate White People, and Actors shouldn't be nominated on merit but being not-white.

If it weren't for the blatant denial of the existence of racism, people's inability to use and comprehend dictionaries and their function would be the most baffeling thing in this thread. By far.

 

[BlueInfinity22]

They posted six definitions

That is literally a perfect example of "room for interpretation"

Oh, yeah. The guys pointing out how dictionaries are part of the racist institution swayed me.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I am an expert

Thats a burner account

5 posts, registered last year, anime avatar.

Yep, all checks out. Someone is unhappy they can't be openly racist here.

 

[Zabuza]

jesus fucking christ

Anytime someone questions this subject, they get asked if they're ironic or sarcastic.

 

[aeolist]

I am an expert

Thats a burner account

i've been trying to give people online the benefit of the doubt more often

i can't say i've seen more success in terms of debate wins but it makes me feel a bit better

 

[A Link to the Past]

Oh, yeah. The guys pointing out how dictionaries are part of the racist institution swayed me.

Oh shit lol, I just recognized the username. Now I understand how someone could make the posts you're making!

 

[Bleepey]

She's entitled to her opinion.

 

[A Link to the Past]

She's entitled to her opinion.

I suppose everyone is entitled to be wrong.

 

[EdibleKnife]

This thread can be summed up in one sentence: We hate White People, and Actors shouldn't be nominated on merit but being not-white.

Hmm no. We don't hate white people. We'd actually love for white people to acknowledge how their biases continuously allows for these situations where surprisingly they manage to cast, shoot and award the accomplishments of their fellows rather than making a concerted effort to demolish their biases and begin restructuring to form an Academy invested in awarding a diverse range of people. Minorities in Hollywood are tired of excuses and being told "maybe someday, maybe someday" as they commit themselves to the craft as much as anyone else.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Fuck the Oscars. If the wrong distribution channel gets Beasts of No Nation shut out then its a shit award show anyway. Going out in droves and making movies that you want to see more of successful at the box office is where the real battle should be fought.

Black Panther in theaters February 16, 2018.

 

[ANDS]

1. Hundreds of people are left out, but many of those weren't Coogler, Jordan, or Elba.

Many people are left out who were actually better than those three according to Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. I don't see anyone whining that Tom Hardy didn't get a nomination despite Mad Max being a better film according to both metrics.

2. Why are you so averse to answering this question?

Because I already answered it.

 

[Zabuza]

we wuz kangs