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[Staccat0]

Multiple complaints can be done at once...stop making excuses

The fuck are you even talking about? You took that as an excuse?
It's a description of reality.
I'm saying people don't support black cinema and are engaging in slacktivism by pretending to give a shit now.

The Oscars are racist. So is the industry and so are the viewers. As someone who has produced multiple features with black leads, I'm unimpressed by anyone who refuses to vote with their fucking dollar. That's the excuse. The rest is noise.

That's like telling someone who is saying you should consider buying less from sweat shops instead of just boycotting one store for a week an apologist, but whatever, have fun not watching a boring award show for old people and feeling like you did something.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Feeling marginalized really hurts, doesn't it?

 

[excelsiorlef]

The fuck are you even talking about? You took that as an excuse?

There was a lot of excuses yes...

 

[singingsamus]

i've seen a lot of movies during my lifetime and i feel that the following groups

* minorities
* middle-aged women
* the elderly
* LGBT

are severly under-represented in Hollywood movies in terms of main roles or powerful character arcs (it's a bit less of a problem in other regions)

so it seems that the main issue lies there and less with the Academy (though they might be racist too) and more in what roles are offered to those people

if you ask me specifically about good black actors, i'll come back to a couple of tried and true actors (Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman) and can't think of any others, because i haven't seen those powerful roles where others could show what they are capable of

putting up a certain quota for minority groups to be nominated doesn't feel right because it wouldn't solve the problem, since the source of the problem would still be there

that said, Benicio Del Toro should be nominated too for his performance in Sicario, but that whole movie is shortchanged apparently, and i haven't seen the likes of Creed, Straight Outta Compton,... so i can't judge those

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

That. Michael Caine quote seems to really dismiss any sort of racism involved in the oscars.

I also love how he says Idris Elba was wonderful.....when he wasn't nominated for this incredible performance haha.

That's not Caine's fault though.

 

[SenorArdilla]

i've seen a lot of movies during my lifetime and i feel that the following groups

* minorities
* middle-aged women
* the elderly
* LGBT

are severly under-represented in Hollywood movies in terms of main roles or powerful character arcs (it's a bit less of a problem in other regions)

so it seems that the main issue lies there and less with the Academy (though they might be racist too) and more in what roles are offered to those people

if you ask me specifically about good black actors, i'll come back to a couple of tried and true actors (Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman) and can't think of any others, because i haven't seen those powerful roles where others could show what they are capable of

putting up a certain quota for minority groups to be nominated doesn't feel right because it wouldn't solve the problem, since the source of the problem would still be there

that said, Benicio Del Toro should be nominated too for his performance in Sicario, but that whole movie is shortchanged apparently, and i haven't seen the likes of Creed, Straight Outta Compton,... so i can't judge those

Don't forget about the rare and elusive Asian actors.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Don't forget about the rare and elusive Asian actors.

Fun fact: Jet Li and Aaliyah just hugged in their movie because them kissing was thought to have been too much for mainstream America. Seriously. In the year 2000.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilear...he_original_ending_of_romeo_must_die_had_jet/

 

[excelsiorlef]

The fuck are you even talking about? You took that as an excuse?
It's a description of reality.
I'm saying people don't support black cinema and are engaging in slacktivism by pretending to give a shit now.

I The Oscars are racist - so is the industry and so are the viewers. As someone who has produced multiple features with black leads, I'm unimpressed by anyone who refuses to vote with their fucking dollar. That's the excuse. the rest is noise.

That's like telling someone who is saying you should consider buying less from sweat shops instead of just boycotting one store for a week an apologist.

Compton and Creed both were huge financial successes all black folk got snubbed. SLJ was in a Tarantino flick... snubbed.

It isn't just money.

 

[bishoptl]

I'm saying people don't support black cinema and are engaging in slacktivism by pretending to give a shit now.

excuse me

I The Oscars are racist - so is the industry and so are the viewers. As someone who has produced multiple features with black leads, I'm unimpressed by anyone who refuses to vote with their fucking dollar.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. It's okay to take issue with multiple things at once - this shit isn't binary.

That's not Caine's fault though.

What is Caine's fault is the dumb shit that fell out of his mouth. We'll call him on the carpet for that.

 

[excelsiorlef]

That's not Caine's fault though.

It is for saying what he said.


Dude literally compared his long road to an Oscar to several entire races'

 

[Staccat0]

Compton and Creed both were huge financial successes all black folk got snubbed. SLJ was in a Tarantino flick... snubbed.

It isn't just money.

I agree?

 

[excelsiorlef]

I agree?

So then I reiterate multiple things can be done at once.

Btw the slacktivism you hate scared the Academy so much they've massively changed their rules already

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

Ice Cube was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he said pretty much what I've been thinking since this whole furore started - Who the fuck cares about the Oscars?

EDIT: Here's the link.
https://youtu.be/w69qFJmnq-U

 

[Staccat0]

excuse me


Yeah, I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. It's okay to take issue with multiple things at once - this shit isn't binary.


What is Caine's fault is the dumb shit that fell out of his mouth. We'll call him on the carpet for that.

It's a bummer that the top 20 movies on that list are bad movies that mostly star white people.
You can certainly take issue with multiple things at once - it would be rad if people did. Instead we'll all just boycott a thing we weren't gonna watch anyway and go see Chris Pratt in another bad movie.

So then I reiterate multiple things can be done at once.

Btw the slacktivism you hate scared the Academy so much they've massively changed their rules already

Neat. Doesn't actually help anyone but the 10 or 12 actors of color they let be in their system.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Ice Cube was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he said pretty much what I've been thinking since this whole furore started - Who the fuck cares about the Oscars?

EDIT: Here's the link.
https://youtu.be/w69qFJmnq-U

People do... we could literally use that to dismiss any non essential displays of racism discrimination and exclusion but let's not.

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

People do... we could literally use that to dismiss any non essential displays of racisl discrimination and exclusion but let's not.

It's not dismissing racism, it's dismissing an organisation.

 

[bishoptl]

Neat. Doesn't actually help anyone but the 10 or 12 actors of color they let be in their system.

So people should just do...nothing, I guess?

Again, I'm trying to understand what you're actually arguing for, and it's not readily apparent.

 

[excelsiorlef]

It's not dismissing racism, it's dismissing an organisation.

An organization people care about.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

When Oscars don't correlate to attention, money, and prestige, which gives more opportunity and fame to those nominated, we can stop caring like we want to.

 

[Staccat0]

So people should just do...nothing, I guess?

Again, I'm trying to understand what you're actually arguing for, and it's not readily apparent.

Go ahead and do whatever with The Oscars. That's great.

Also though, people should consider not exclusively shopping with Hollywood. A racist, sexist and broken system that perpetuates bad art. It's 2016, there are other games in town. People not talking about Tangerine for acting is baffling to me in this context. It seems most people didn't even see the best performances by people of color - which is understandable, but easily alleviated if you actually care and have google.

I'm tired and frustrated. I should just bow out. I'm probably too far off topic. Enjoy Jurassic World II.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Go ahead and do whatever with The Oscars. That's great.

Also though, people should consider not exclusively shopping with Hollywood. A racist, sexist and broken system that perpetuates bad art. It's 2016, there are other games in town. People not talking about Tangerine for acting is baffling to me in this context. It seems most people didn't even see the best performances by people of color - which is understandable, but easily alleviated if you actually care and have google.

You assume a lot about people here.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Compton and Creed both were huge financial successes all black folk got snubbed. SLJ was in a Tarantino flick... snubbed.

It isn't just money.

Are we saying that the more money a movie makes, the better chance the stars and staff should be praised with an Oscar?

Compton was a good movie, but in no way at all should anyone in it be in the run for an Oscar.

SLJ? Lol don't make me laugh. It was SLJ playing SLJ.

 

[Staccat0]

You assume a lot about people here.

Whatever, you win. I was making excuses for The Oscars you are right. I love them. I watch them religiously. I am secretly Matt Damon. You cracked it.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

lol..ok.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Are we saying that the more money a movie makes, the better chance the stars and staff should be praised with an Oscar?

Compton was a good movie, but in no way at all should anyone in it should be in the run for an Oscar.

SLJ? Lol don't make me laugh. It was SLJ playing SLJ.

Context mon frère.

It was a reply to someone saying that no black folk got nominated because audiences didn't go to their movies.

All I was doing is saying these were successful.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Context mon frère.

It was a reply to someone saying that no black folk got nominated because audiences didn't go to their movies.

All I was doing is saying these were successful.

Ah OK, I'm late to the party as usual.

I can't think of any stars that should clearly be in a nomination at least and I'm not clued up on movie staff. Does anyone know of any that deserve to be up there but have been snubbed?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Whatever, you win. I was making excuses for The Oscars you are right. I love them. I watch them religiously. I am secretly Matt Damon. You cracked it.

Based on Gordon's reply and counting myself, that's like four people who don't have any idea what you're trying to say. If you're not making excuses, you're doing a terrible job making us to understand this. Sure, audiences could do MORE to empower POC in film, but audiences are already supporting these movies pretty solidly. Forcing the system to change so that audiences don't have to dig up diverse films is a lot more effective.

 

[soundscream]

Ice Cube was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he said pretty much what I've been thinking since this whole furore started - Who the fuck cares about the Oscars?

EDIT: Here's the link.
https://youtu.be/w69qFJmnq-U

The same Ice Cube who was salty about losing a MTV Movie Award
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...vin-hart-ride-along-mtv-movie-awards/7707255/

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

excuse me
What is Caine's fault is the dumb shit that fell out of his mouth. We'll call him on the carpet for that.

I never said he didn't say anything stupid though.

I was merely responding to a poster trying to point out irony(?) in Caine loving Idris' performance despite Idris not being nominated. Kinda made it sound like somehow that was Caine's fault.

I don't think Charlotte or Michael are inherently racist, I just think that maybe they're not aware (given their age and the era they grew up in) of the racism that permeates throughout the industry.

 

[Kitschkraft]

And another one:

http://www.thewrap.com/julie-delpy-hollywood-dumps-women-sometimes-wish-african-american/



Not like this, Julie. Intersectionality continues to be ignored by a lot of [white] feminists in Hollywood. Women of color catch it from all sides. Video here.

Damn, I'm a fan, so this really sucks.

Surprisingly, and coincidentally, she directed this IR rom-com a few years ago with Chris Rock :

What gives Julie? You give us this sweet little swirl, and then betray us? I thought you were one of the good ones.

Edit : It's on netflix, and not bad, btw.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Ice Cube was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he said pretty much what I've been thinking since this whole furore started - Who the fuck cares about the Oscars?

EDIT: Here's the link.
https://youtu.be/w69qFJmnq-U

Cube has a great point.

On another note, winning an Oscars does affect an individual getting their due. People just want their due.

 

[Metroxed]

Racism is a structure where white people is at the top of the hierarchy thus when viewing racism as a structure there can be no racism to white people.

What?! Of course there can ba racism against white people.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Thing with saying fuck the Oscars is that they can open doors for folks to expand their career so yeah thing is honestly Cube will never likely be up for one so it's easy (because as he says he doesn't go) to say whatever, but it's important to a lot of minority ators so just saying fuck the Oscars doesn't work

 

[Slayven]

Go ahead and do whatever with The Oscars. That's great.

Also though, people should consider not exclusively shopping with Hollywood. A racist, sexist and broken system that perpetuates bad art. It's 2016, there are other games in town. People not talking about Tangerine for acting is baffling to me in this context. It seems most people didn't even see the best performances by people of color - which is understandable, but easily alleviated if you actually care and have google.

I'm tired and frustrated. I should just bow out. I'm probably too far off topic. Enjoy Jurassic World II.

You assume a lot about people here.

http://www.essence.com/2016/01/19/ava-duvernay-array-collaboration-indiegogo

ARRAY, the independent film distribution collective founded by Ava DuVernay, is partnering with Indiegogo in an effort to help raise awareness and create sustainable support systems for films created by women and filmmakers of color.

The partnership will officially launch at the 5th Annual ARRAY Soiree at this year's Sundance Film Festival where DuVernay and Indiegogo co-founder, Danae Ringlemann, will host 50 industry influencers, executives and creatives for a discussion on the present state of diversity in film as well as brainstorming ideas for the future.

 

[excelsiorlef]

http://www.essence.com/2016/01/19/ava-duvernay-array-collaboration-indiegogo

Phenomenal!

 

[Coffee Dog]

I don't get why so many white posters come into these threads and shit on Compton, Creed, and SLJ when talking about minorities getting Oscars. No, maybe you didn't think these movies were all that great, but a lot of people of color did, and that's the whole problem we're dealing with. it's about diversity in perspectives, diversity in audiences, diversity in nominees.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

The problem i have with the statement is that i see it on OKCupid all the time along with the words "No whites/hipsters/gentrifiers"

Being critical of someone's merit is not racism.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Ice Cube was on the Graham Norton Show last night and he said pretty much what I've been thinking since this whole furore started - Who the fuck cares about the Oscars?

EDIT: Here's the link.
https://youtu.be/w69qFJmnq-U

I'm not sure I care for his opinion since he's not Oscar caliber. His perspective is skewed to be indifferent, he's never getting an Oscar anyways. Why wouldn't he be indifferent?

 

[MGrant]

Being critical of someone's merit is not racism.

The idea is that black actors and filmmakers have a lot more trouble being seen as having merit, not just that they don't quite stack up as high as others. And there's truth to it:

SLJ? Lol don't make me laugh. It was SLJ playing SLJ.

Jack Nicholson has been nominated 12 times; he unquestionably "plays Jack Nicholson" in every film he's ever been in. Tom Hanks plays Tom Hanks in various professions, hell, even Denzel typically only plays Good Guy Denzel or Bad Guy Denzel. We don't judge actors' abilities based on how far they can deviate from what we perceive as their everyday personality, but by their presence on the screen, and their mastery of the artform.

 

[Messofanego]

Neat. Doesn't actually help anyone but the 10 or 12 actors of color they let be in their system.

You don't think those "10 or 12 actors of color" inspire future possible actors of color if they get recognised for their talent?

You'll find this in interviews with many successful coloured people that what got them inspired to be in the industry were coloured people who got awarded for their talent. Sidney Poitier, for example. When you see your own reflected in an industry, you're more likely to pursue your dream rather than settling.

 

[Can Crusher]

The only way to change this is to enforce diversity in the academy members.

 

[shink]

To be honest, the issue is that there aren't enough major films with diversity in casting.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

The idea is that black actors and filmmakers have a lot more trouble being seen as having merit, not just that they don't quite stack up as high as others. And there's truth to it:



Jack Nicholson has been nominated 12 times; he unquestionably "plays Jack Nicholson" in every film he's ever been in. Tom Hanks plays Tom Hanks in various professions, hell, even Denzel typically only plays Good Guy Denzel or Bad Guy Denzel. We don't judge actors' abilities based on how far they can deviate from what we perceive as their everyday personality, but by their presence on the screen, and their mastery of the artform.

To clarify, I was referring to the white entitlement on Okcupid.
I fully acknowledge the diversity problem this thread is about.

 

[Don Draper's Hat]

I'm not sure I care for his opinion since he's not Oscar caliber. His perspective is skewed to be indifferent, he's never getting an Oscar anyways. Why wouldn't he be indifferent?

And yet we should all listen to Jada Pinkett Smith?

 

[Lord Thrappleper The 49th]

I'm starting to really dislike anything to do with racism, prejudice, and discrimination. Yes, they are problems that need to be fixed. But the sooner every single person in the world realizes everyone is equal and everyone is a cunt, therefore we are all equally cunts, the better it will be.

Don't start diversifying it by saying he's a black cunt whilst he's a white cunt and over there are some other cunts with varying degrees of difference. Stop it. I'm a cunt. You're a cunt. We're all cunts. It's like people want to be a different kind of cunt in order to not be associated with every other cunt in the world. Stop it. You're a cunt. Get over it.

Diversity is bad, because that implies people not equal. We're all the same. People who insist we are different, either by racism, or by going out of their way to showcase racism to hate against it, are wrong. We are not different. Our shits stink together. We all breathe air. We all want to be happy. We all do things that we regret. We're all cunts.

 

[excelsiorlef]

And yet we should all listen to Jada Pinkett Smith?

She cares and got shit done... so yes

I'm starting to really dislike anything to do with racism, prejudice, and discrimination. Yes, they are problems that need to be fixed. But the sooner every single person in the world realizes everyone is equal and everyone is a cunt, therefore we are all equally cunts, the better it will be.

Don't start diversifying it by saying he's a black cunt whilst he's a white cunt and over there are some other cunts with varying degrees of difference. Stop it. I'm a cunt. You're a cunt. We're all cunts. It's like people want to be a different kind of cunt in order to not be associated with every other cunt in the world. Stop it. You're a cunt. Get over it.

Diversity is bad, because that implies people not equal. We're all the same. People who insist we are different, either by racism, or by going out of their way to showcase racism to hate against it, are wrong. We are not different. Our shits stink together. We all breathe air. We all want to be happy. We all do things that we regret. We're all cunts.

Just

 

[Bobby Roberts]

. People not talking about Tangerine for acting is baffling to me in this context.

Kiki Rodriguez has been namechecked at least a couple times in this thread.

I know because I did it myself.

I'm starting to really dislike anything to do with racism, prejudice, and discrimination. Yes, they are problems that need to be fixed. But the sooner every single person in the world realizes everyone is equal and everyone is a cunt, therefore we are all equally cunts, the better it will be.

This didn't come off the way you wanted it to come off, I don't think. I think you wanted it to be this irreverent, smartassed call-to-arms in the name of unity. What it sounds like is complaining from a place of annoyed privilege that people waste your time arguing about stupid shit you can't quickly fix. "Diversity is Bad" is a bad bumper sticker to rally behind, dude.

I don't get why so many white posters come into these threads and shit on Compton, Creed, and SLJ when talking about minorities getting Oscars.

Same reason the voters didn't vote for them: They're so locked into what the Academy should be rewarding, that movies and people who don't easily fit into that paradigm are automatically dismissed as being lesser than. The problem comes when people don't take the time to investigate the source of that dismissal - a lot of which has to do with subtle racial biases. People understandably get touchy when asked to investigate why they're making decisions they're probably not even thinking about as they make them, especially when those decisions essentially boil down to "I don't think this is for me so I'm not even gonna try connecting."

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Yes, they are problems that need to be fixed. But

Every time.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's also weird to knock the discussion that flared up after the nominations landed as "slacktivism" when you can point to the changes the Academy instituted being a direct result of that conversation.

That's not to say there still isn't a long way to go. As everyone's pointed out, the people in a position of power and influence need to do their best to expand that influence to include more minorities and women, so that they can in turn hire more diverse creators and actors for their films. Much like Kennedy is doing at Lucasfilm, for example.

But one of the bigger obstacles to progress - having to prove to the powers that be that progress will make them money - is falling down right in front of our eyes. Just gotta keep on pushing, to quote Mr. Mayfield. Bullshit "slacktivism" of the kind that helped get these rules changed is, albeit a small part, still a part of that push.

It's why I was so confused earlier when people who seemed to understand all the above still saw fit to argue against that progress for specious (at best) reasons. Like, if you can see it happening, and you agree that it's good, what's the point of getting in the fucking way? What are you getting out of that?

 

[harSon]

I'm starting to really dislike anything to do with racism, prejudice, and discrimination. Yes, they are problems that need to be fixed. But the sooner every single person in the world realizes everyone is equal and everyone is a cunt, therefore we are all equally cunts, the better it will be.

Don't start diversifying it by saying he's a black cunt whilst he's a white cunt and over there are some other cunts with varying degrees of difference. Stop it. I'm a cunt. You're a cunt. We're all cunts. It's like people want to be a different kind of cunt in order to not be associated with every other cunt in the world. Stop it. You're a cunt. Get over it.

Diversity is bad, because that implies people not equal. We're all the same. People who insist we are different, either by racism, or by going out of their way to showcase racism to hate against it, are wrong. We are not different. Our shits stink together. We all breathe air. We all want to be happy. We all do things that we regret. We're all cunts.

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