grim-tales
Member
I dont mind upgrading to $99, but $225 for a digital Vita port?!? Ouch 
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Root Double - Before Crime * After Days KS ($135k goal/Steam&Vita/Zero Escape-like)
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Gotta agree, $99 still seems somewhat reasonable for a digital vita copy if you're the kind of person who wants to support English VNs. $225 is way too much and I don't see these tiers pushing the KS over the finish line. I think Root Double still has a chance to get fully funded with lower priced vita tiers, but time is running out fast. What a weird Kickstarter...
There are probably some diehards who will pay the $225, but they won't be enough.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
And with this the project is dead.
A shame, it looked very interesting.
A shame, it looked very interesting.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
Member
That's one way to help kill any chance of this campaign to succeed.
Olengie
Member
Darn Sony for not having bigger Vita carts.
Finally, a new update.
They better not ask 225 for this too. And be digital only
Finally, a new update.
They better not ask 225 for this too. And be digital only
No doubt about that, but this will help them raise maybe $10.000 or so, definitely not $65.000. I hope this is just "phase one" and they will announce a vita option for lower priced tiers during the last week of the campaign.
calc84maniac
Member
They're not asking $225 for the Vita version of Root Double per se, that's just the minimum tier level. It's more likely to cost $30-$40 when it releases.
As for Grisaia being digital-only? Uhh... I don't want to think about it right now.
grim-tales
Member
Maybe somewhere along the line they will relaunch this KS, i dont know really? Its been a mess.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Yeah no. I would have backed at a reasonable Vita tier but not $225.
Olengie
Member
That is true. But it doesnt help that if I want to get it funded, I have pledge 225.
Reading the new update, it seems only Fruits of Grisaia theyre trying to get approved and not the entire trilogy. :/
calc84maniac
Member
Well, it's not like the entire trilogy has been translated. I appreciate them trying to release it sooner rather than waiting for the whole thing to be translated.
Fatal Futanari
Member
Lmao at the Vita tier price. Plus not chance of physical = no pledge.
Kresnik258
Member
Haven't followed this campaign too closely, but what happened? I thought Sekai Project games normally blasted past their funding amounts.
Olengie
Member
Probably Kickstarter fatigue and a lot of other factors
Basileus777
Member
General fatigue with Sekai Project's overuse of KS, really shitty tier structure, and a product that doesn't have a tie in with some known multi-media franchise. Sekai Project's last two Kickstarters didn't hit it out of the park either with Narcissu struggling for a while and Magical Witch Boy dismally failing.
YianGaruga
Banned
This looks like a game I would want on Vita, but not for $200. lol
I also have no need for the other stuff.
I understand that the Vita port requires more funds, but I don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea. If the project gets funded, they have to make the Vita version anyway, because people pledged for it. So why not offer the Vita version alone and cheaper as well? It's not like a Vita copy itself is more expensive. Vita owners aren't some magical cash cow that will fund the campaign on their own just because you make a copy available at a ridiculous price.
It's actually a bit insulting if I think about it.
I also have no need for the other stuff.
I understand that the Vita port requires more funds, but I don't see how anyone thought this was a good idea. If the project gets funded, they have to make the Vita version anyway, because people pledged for it. So why not offer the Vita version alone and cheaper as well? It's not like a Vita copy itself is more expensive. Vita owners aren't some magical cash cow that will fund the campaign on their own just because you make a copy available at a ridiculous price.
It's actually a bit insulting if I think about it.
Yeah, it's getting a bit much
Seriously , why not a $40 digital Vita tier or something, this is ridiculous
Mockingbird
Member
They added an extra perk to get your name in the credits. Love it!
Just read what the vita tier was. I don't have a vita so I didn't care for it to read what they are charging but $225?!?
Just read what the vita tier was. I don't have a vita so I didn't care for it to read what they are charging but $225?!?
Sekai Project. Stop. Please. Just improve the tiers and bring the Vita port down to a reasonable price.
Fatal Futanari
Member
The problem I have is that they are basically charging you retail price for everything. That steel mug is probably those cheapo ones you see on Amiami.
Basileus777
Member
How would it be illegal? I don't think even Kickstarter's rules prohibit offsite raffles, though they aren't very specific in their rule list.
Raffle laws vary from state to state, but they usually need two things.
1. Need to be approved by the state.
2. Need to be for a non-profit entity.
I doubt Sekai is a non-profit.
EDIT: Sekai's in California, so here's the rules that would likely apply. Basically the requirements are the same as what I just listed above.
Basileus777
Member
Huh, I wasn't aware of this.
This is why for all those contests at fast food stores you always see "no purchase necessary" with a poster on the wall advertising some arcane method of free entry. This classifies the contest as a "sweepstakes" instead of as a raffle, which gives them much more freedom. Even non-profits might take this approach if they're having trouble getting approved or if it'll just save them time.
That is desperate.
If there was a $90 vita version I'd back. Bump it to $120 and I'd be hesitant. $225 you're out of your mind.
YianGaruga
Banned
Even if there was a reasonably priced (i.e. same as PC) Vita copy I'd be weary of backing. SP hasn't really shown that they're capable of delivering on that front.
grim-tales
Member
I dont think I have either. If it was say, like $99 fair enough, but $225 for Vita is insane.
Basileus777
Member
Hey all,
While ducking and avoiding your rocks, let me just first of say that I respect everyone's opinion on price and all that. I worked day and night for months to even get to this point, and we're not completely insane. At least I hope not.
I'm not here to convince anyone, but let me clarify something, regardless of what you think of it. We faced an obstacle here where people wanted Vita, and we wanted to do Vita. Our Vita development has gotten solid and progressing nicely with our devkits getting hot lately, so we were always eager. I began working on getting this done before the campaign even.
The issue is development and licensing. The whole dev team in Japan has to come back to refit the engine to work with the increased script size, voices need to be worked out, basically a bit ol licensing hootnanny. They were not easily convinced to go back to working on this engine just cause.
Regardless of what people think of the tiers and that stuff, that's something we have to meet in the middle on with the developers and such, and we try our best and there's tons of great content there. But with Vita, we are left with few options. RD is not some sort of huge anime franchise which soars past stretch goal after stretch goal. So either we have to guarantee the port at a loss to us, or not do it at all and be even more meany heads for not caring about Vita. So the only option is to include it with other rewards (the price of the Vita port is not 225 by itself) and let those rewards directly fund the development, or nothing. So the Vita tiers go straight to funding the development to make this port possible in the first place, not to jack up the price for Vita just cause.
Again, I am not asking people to like me by saying that, but its not just some sort of idiotic move made by me to screw myself over. I got everyone to agree to a term where we could offer Vita for sure without having to climb stretch goals, but rather that those who helps out the campaign and wants Vita gets it no matter what regardless.
Hope we are all still cool no matter how it all works out.
While ducking and avoiding your rocks, let me just first of say that I respect everyone's opinion on price and all that. I worked day and night for months to even get to this point, and we're not completely insane. At least I hope not.
I'm not here to convince anyone, but let me clarify something, regardless of what you think of it. We faced an obstacle here where people wanted Vita, and we wanted to do Vita. Our Vita development has gotten solid and progressing nicely with our devkits getting hot lately, so we were always eager. I began working on getting this done before the campaign even.
The issue is development and licensing. The whole dev team in Japan has to come back to refit the engine to work with the increased script size, voices need to be worked out, basically a bit ol licensing hootnanny. They were not easily convinced to go back to working on this engine just cause.
Regardless of what people think of the tiers and that stuff, that's something we have to meet in the middle on with the developers and such, and we try our best and there's tons of great content there. But with Vita, we are left with few options. RD is not some sort of huge anime franchise which soars past stretch goal after stretch goal. So either we have to guarantee the port at a loss to us, or not do it at all and be even more meany heads for not caring about Vita. So the only option is to include it with other rewards (the price of the Vita port is not 225 by itself) and let those rewards directly fund the development, or nothing. So the Vita tiers go straight to funding the development to make this port possible in the first place, not to jack up the price for Vita just cause.
Again, I am not asking people to like me by saying that, but its not just some sort of idiotic move made by me to screw myself over. I got everyone to agree to a term where we could offer Vita for sure without having to climb stretch goals, but rather that those who helps out the campaign and wants Vita gets it no matter what regardless.
Hope we are all still cool no matter how it all works out.
Thanks, however I have filled my email and don't get the confirmation email is anything wrong?
First of all thank for your effort, adding vita to the campaign has already had a positive effect on the campaign.
What I believe that would be fair is that vita port could be added as an add-on too, I believe that it's fair to give it for "free" for people who pledge more than 225 though, but giving the others the opportunity for paying for it might be fine.
Also I had expectations for a nice 150$ collector box since you said you were looking into it, however the only addition other than vita is the name in the credits which doesn't appeal me.
Sorry for the harsh :/
I can't get the confirmation mail for the newsletter
No need to thank me, I want it myself so I do what I can to make it happen.
About the collector's box. Basically the feeling between Japan and such here is that the messenger bag holds all these items and is of premium quality, so that's the collector's box. Bit out of the ordinary but I like the idea personally. But we work together on these tiers, its not a single person decision so please understand that I read your comments, but its not up to a single person to decide these.
Well I do have to thank you because we can argue about prices etc but it's true that you've listened to the people who asked for vita and have worked hard for it.Also it's true that the expensive vita price comes from the fact that it's not a stretch goal(because it wouldn't have had sense at all since we're struggling with the base goal).
I tell you about the collector's box because many people asked for it(like me) and thought that it would have been a nice idea,if it's not possible that's all, appreciate that you read us.