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I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

 

[Palculator]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

Great. It's so nice of them to make this more suitable for Western audiences.

 

[MrHoot]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

Absolutely awful if this ends up being true, although i'll stay put until I see it for real. Homosexual relationships too much for western culture as well ? After all, Nintendo knows best right

 

[Yasumi]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

Just localization, right?

 

[Elaugaufein]

Even if this does turn out to be true, I don't think its the appropriate kind of think to take cheap shots over.

 

[nukedeggs]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

If true this sucks. For some reason I had the impression that the EU was more welcoming of LGBT rights and that same sex marriages/civil unions were legal in a lot of countries there. Why would they take it out? Strange.

 

[theSlacker]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

 

[Weiss]

It was a fucking weird minigame and I'm glad it's gone, but at least it was gender neutral. Everyone was allowed on board that freak train.

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

 

[Enduin]

Can't say I'm going to really miss this. While I don't like the idea of losing content due to localization this isn't exactly something I had any interest in with this game, though that doesn't make the cut right or OK. So I fully understand how this is upsetting for people just as a matter of principle. Certainly not the first game to experience this, but we are at a point where this shouldn't really be an issue. Especially for larger companies and games where costs shouldn't be a huge factor given the likely success of the title.

All that said the fact that this petting minigame exists in the first place is ridiculous enough and bothers me a whole lot more than the fact that it's cut from the western release. A good bit of time and effort was put into making this, especially if there's a fair amount of unique VO involved for the many many characters in the game. Whether it was some misguided attempt to pander to the growing female market or to some subsection of men doesn't matter to me, either case is unnecessary and a waste of resources. It's such a shallow and vacuous feature, which would have been far better served elsewhere most likely. Did this really push units or tie people to the series for future titles or DLC?

Yusuke Kozaki's art, the character archetypes and writing style was more than enough to bring lots of new people in for FEA and endear them to the series. Plus expanding things like the relationship system with marriage and children served a dual purpose as a positive gameplay mechanic to get elite units and allowing people to fulfill their shipping desires at the same time, which is still wholly a part of Fates. This is just such an odd way to "expand" upon that.

Why they chose petting over some other, less weird, and more interesting minigame to allow the PC to interact with their subordinates is beyond me. Someone high up must have really enjoyed the Pokemon XY petting game and really wanted to do that with people.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

You do know there's quite a large difference between not minding that petting anime people is out, versus same sex marriage?

The latter is a very real world issue than effects a lot of people. The other is petting soldiers in war for... some reason.

 

[NotLiquid]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

If this is real (and I'm kind of doubting this heavily) Tamaki was right, this game is a localization nightmare.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Malig Knight is the stupidest possible class name change of all time (myrmidon is up there), and this is my biggest problem with the localization so far.

Myrmidons isn't too bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidons

God knows what a malig knight us though.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

You have to be kidding at equating same sex marriage and touching virtual characters.

Edit: oops double posted.

 

[flatearthpandas]

I'll say this, at least. It was a fucking weird minigame and I'm glad it's gone, but at least it was gender neutral. Everyone was allowed on board that freak train.



If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

Molest in this case being face rubbing, as weird as that may be. Please let me know know if the face-rubbing is unwelcome and/or on characters too young to consent... to physical contact. I acknowledge of course that the thing gets extremely weird right here.

 

[diaspora]

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

I've got a shit eating grin because of course people who value the stroking minigame equivocate it with gay representation.

 

[mindsale]

I don't like that the localization of so many products involves cutting content.

Sure, it's a little weird to massage a character's face, but a feature where you can interact with your comrades cultivates a bond between player and cast. And that feature existing in the first place makes the game eccentric, it gives the game personality.

Removing it just stops click-bait sites from running sensationalist posts like "You can pet your Step-Brother in Creepy Incest Sim Fire Emblem Fates."

 

[theSlacker]

If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

You do know there's quite a large difference between not minding that petting anime people is out, versus same sex marriage?

The latter is a very real world issue than effects a lot of people. The other is petting soldiers in war for... some reason.

Slow your roll. I wasn't mocking or making light, that statement was completely serious. In the same vein as this post:

Even if this does turn out to be true, I don't think its the appropriate kind of think to take cheap shots over.

Even though I was and am against the localization changes I don't think that this, even if it is true, is something to make a huge "HAHA GOTCHA" deal over.

 

[Drop]

Just to be clear, I've purposely avoided putting my opinion in that post, I wanted to just report the news because I think it's relevant to the current discussion, and I thought it deserved to be reported without a biased view before arguments can be made around it.

 

[Lusankya]

If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

Using the word "molesting" for this harmless minigame rather means there is something wrong with you.

 

[Palculator]

If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

"Molesting"?

 

[Ridley327]

I was going through the thread on this same matter on Serenes Forest and someone posted a link to an alarming reddit's thread.

The thread talks about how an Italian FE fans site had the news on the latest two announcements before they happened, apparently a relevant Italian gaming news site had leaked informations about the games and also leaked a very alarming e-mail from Nintendo of Italy regarding European localization.

Before proceeding I'll remind everyone to take this with a grain of salt.
The e-mail says the European version of the game will not only be more heavily modified than the American version but also that same-sex marriage will be removed.

I read the e-mail and skimmed through the translation and can confirm that at least the bolded parts of the translation match the content of the e-mail, I'll check it all soon.

Here's the link to the reddit's thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/42xhlw/corrins_italian_name_different_censorship_for/

Now, if this actually pans out, that will be a truly justified shitstorm. That might even undo all the goodwill NoE has built up over the past few years.

 

[Snkfanatic]

It was a fucking weird minigame and I'm glad it's gone, but at least it was gender neutral. Everyone was allowed on board that freak train.



If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

Molesting?

What a leap you just made there.

This thread just keeps giving.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Europe had the Game Corner removed from the Pokemon series

But I still don't think the same sex marriage thing is real.

"I'm sure our fans will understand" and "protect the younger audience" just sounds fake PR made to ride the coattails of this announcement.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Using the word "molesting" for this harmless minigame rather means there is something wrong with you.

Yeah. I think the mini-game is weird and stupid, but characterizing it as molestation is rather disingenuous.

 

[nukedeggs]

If you think same sex romance is on the same level as a minigame where you molest the game's characters, there might be something wrong with you.

You're not molesting them though, you're rubbing their face with their full consent. You're not assaulting, abusing, or harassing them in any way.

 

[Kyari]

I also just saw this and was waiting for verification.

Try not to get too much of a shit eating grin when suddenly people are now against something being changed.

Kind of apples and oranges in this situation, don't you think?

 

[Josephl64]

I liked the little petting minigame, so I guess I'm glad that I imported it early on and beat it long ago.

Shame for the people looking forwards to it in the West though.

 

[Cruxist]

This whole debate is really fascinating to me.

On one hand, it's interesting to see what the devs took away from Awakening's success. I'm fairly surprised it was the anime-ness of the relationships. I've played lots of Fire Emblem games, and I felt that Awakening just had a strong core game with lots of developed systems around it. Plus, the relationships were bolstered by the story and the kids.

On the other hand, the modification of games for certain cultures. It's pretty clear there's a gap between Japan and other countries in terms of what is desirable or sought after in a game. I think we've seen in recent years Japanese developers focusing more and more on the Japanese market and ignoring other markets. This creates some really great games, but also is a conundrum from a business perspective. This happened back in the early days of gaming, but learning about Japanese only games was such a rarity that many folks didn't know if a game was changed or unreleased because it was too "Japanese."

And now, a major company like Nintendo is publishing a game in a franchise that's popular across the board, but the developers have added what I'll call "Japan-targeted" features that won't resonate as well with other audiences. Will sales be hurt by releasing the game un-altered? Would there be some controversy picked up by the news? It's an interesting give and take, and one pretty unique to a major company like Nintendo.

 

[Lusankya]

Europe had the Game Corner removed from the Pokemon series

But I still don't think the same sex marriage thing is real.

"I'm sure our fans will understand" and "protect the younger audience" just sounds fake PR made to ride the coattails of this announcement.

Yeah I agree, not believing this unless NoE officially confirms something like that.
I mean, protecting the younger audience from what? Getting the "gay virus"?

 

[theSlacker]

You have to be kidding at equating same sex marriage and touching virtual characters.

Edit: oops double posted.

I've got a shit eating grin because of course people who value the stroking minigame equivocate it with gay representation.

Would have also added this to my last post but popped up while writing it.

As a side note, also try not to misrepresent others points of view when making your own point. Even if my post was a "gotcha" and not a suggestion for people not to view this news like a "gotcha", it wouldn't have meant that I am equating a minigame with gay rights or even value that minigame.

Kind of apples and oranges in this situation, don't you think?

Yes, that is exactly why I tried to say not to get to happy with this news.

 

[BGBW]

Europe had the Game Corner removed from the Pokemon series

But at least they replaced it with something else: Voltorb Flip.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Yeah I agree, not believing this unless NoE officially confirms something like that.
I mean, protecting the younger audience from what? Getting the "gay virus"?

I mean your joking but tons of people believe that stuff.

 

[sd28821]

honestly this thread has now made it clear to me that options aren't good any more

 

[Draxal]

Myrmidons isn't too bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmidons

God knows what a malig knight us though.

Myrmidons are horrible because classical greek forces usually fought with spear and shield (hoplites), or sword and shield.

 

[Dweebo]

Tomorrow's headline: "Characters removed from Fire Emblem for NA release, To Be Replaced by Stick Figures"

 

[Nightbird]

Uh-oh im in trouble if that email is right.

I said to my lesbian friend that same sex marriage is possible in fates, and that sold her on the game after being unsure.

I'm not sure how she is going to handle this if the European version did really removed that.

 

[DrArchon]

Europe had the Game Corner removed from the Pokemon series

But I still don't think the same sex marriage thing is real.

"I'm sure our fans will understand" and "protect the younger audience" just sounds fake PR made to ride the coattails of this announcement.

There's no way NoE would internally refer to any removal of LGBT content as "protecting the younger audience". They'd call it something like "avoiding unnecessary controversy". They'd view it in terms of business, not morals. So I'm not buying it either.

 

[B_Bech]

I'm thinking they're going to replace the petting system with something less uh, touchy to raise affection between units. This isn't even censorship; it's localisation. I've been reading the thread and I see some pretty decent counter arguments, but cancelling your preorder and importing due to this change seems like a waste of time and money to me. If you really want to have this experience get a cat. It's more fulfilling and people will only start to judge you once you have more than three.

Edit: But if they did remove anything LGBT I'm about to grab my pitchfork.

 

[Sylas]

Would have also added this to my last post but popped up while writing it.

As a side note, also try not to misrepresent others points of view when making your own point. Even if my post was a "gotcha" and not a suggestion for people not to view this news like a "gotcha", it wouldn't have meant that I am equating a minigame with gay rights or even value that minigame.



Yes, that is exactly why I tried to say not to get to happy with this news.

...I'm sorry man, but your post 100% made it sound like you were equivocating a petting minigame with gay marriage. Saying you had a shiteating grin when people suddenly get upset about something being removed makes it super sound like you think it's funny when people get upset when gay marriage is removed but they don't get angry/don't get care when a silly petting minigame is removed.

That said, this game sounds like it's been a total nightmare to localize in just about every way. What the hell went wrong?

 

[Firemind]

Myrmidons are horrible because classical greek forces usually fought with spear and shield (hoplites), or sword and shield.

wyverns don't have front legs and yet they're called wyvern riders

 

[Steve Youngblood]

If true this sucks. For some reason I had the impression that the EU was more welcoming of LGBT rights and that same sex marriages/civil unions were legal in a lot of countries there. Why would they take it out? Strange.

This is not an area I can claim expertise on, but Nirolak had pointed this out to me as something that now is potentially even more relevant in regards to Cartoon Network UK:

Steven Universe censorship undermines Cartoon Network's LGBTQ progress

That might be a question best addressed to Cartoon Network UK, which censored one of the show’s more explicitly gay moments. The network edited the episode We Need to Talk to remove an intense moment when Pearl, one of the Gems, aggressively embraces Rose Quartz (Steven’s mom), playing up their closeness as a way of making Greg (Steven’s dad) jealous.

The network said in a statement: “The US broadcast system requires that shows are marked with a rating– in this case PG (parental guidance necessary). In the UK, we have to ensure everything on air is suitable for kids of any age at any time. We do feel that the slightly edited version is more comfortable for local kids and their parents.”

 

[Elaugaufein]

Kind of apples and oranges in this situation, don't you think?

At a conceptual level it's pretty much identical. An arbitrary morality you disagree with has been imposed. My distaste for cheap shots on this is because its deeply personal for some people, not because I think there's a fundamental difference .

 

[Draxal]

wyverns don't have front legs and yet they're called wyvern riders

Ayup should have been called dragon riders, but still nowhere as bad as malig knight or myrmidon.

 

[Lusankya]

wyverns don't have front legs and yet they're called wyvern riders

It's correct for the Wyvern Knight.

 

[Firemind]

*googles malig knight*

so they're basically ringwraiths

 

[hydrophilic attack]

That stuff was creepy as hell

 

[EvilKatarn]

Why would people who are disappointed at equal opportunity fanservice being cut have a 'shit eating grin' about the removal of gay marriages?

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

While I don't like the mini game personally, I don't appreciate Nintendo deciding that the west can't handle such risqué content. A lot of games we enjoy from Japan are enjoyable because they are uniquely Japanese, and are grounded in anime tropes and otaku culture. I don't want future games to be adjusted for western release because they don't fit our(sexual)standards. What if Bayonetta 2 was censored by Nintendo for western release, and every sexual shot of her chest & butt was taken out? What if they removed the megaton climax moves as well, because they were to offensive for Americans? Some would say they would enjoy bayonetta more because of the change. But would it really be the true experience?

 

[LouisaFerre]

I'm not going to say the possible removal of the gay marriage is the same as the petting. The point of sharing it, is that some people seemed to have this attitude towards complaints about the removal, saying things like "oh well if you want the pure experience go play it in Japanese". This just strikes me as a petty way to make a response solely to dismiss a complaint leveled at a localization change that the poster personally likes.

The thing is, when content that YOU like is removed to make it more appropriate for whatever audience, something like "changes happen in localization to sell" suddenly becomes an answer that's far less satisfactory.

Spoiler

I'm pretty optimistic that the gay marriage won't be taken out though, really doesn't sound that likely.

Also, fuck off with calling it a molestation game, I hope you don't let your kids have access to pokemon amie. That actually really irritated me.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Why would people who are disappointed at equal opportunity fanservice being cut have a 'shit eating grin' about the removal of gay marriages?

The aim is to point out the perceived hypocrisy at those FOR the removal of the mini-game who would also be against the removal of S-Ranked homosexual pairings.