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[royalan]

Are you seriously saying that slavery was ended by one single act from Lincoln?

There were massive movements behind him, whose seeds were sown decades before Lincoln ever even thought of running for political office. The machine that brought about slavery's end was oiled by the sweat and tears of countess abolitionists, freed slaves, sympathizes, and even politicians who worked tirelessly to end it.

Your glib dismissal of the arduous work of people like James Oglethorpe (who laid out the frame upon which many abolitionist thinkers hung their arguments), Fredrick Douglas, William Garrison, Susan B. Anthony, Harriet Tubman, and literally thousands of others who risked (or gave) life, limb, and fortune to kill the beast does them a massive disservice and weakens your argument.

You look at Lincoln and say he ended slavery with a single revolutionary action by taking a pen and signing a sheet of paper that set slaves free. But that pen was filled with the blood of those who fought and died for years and years to bring about that ending. The abolishment of slavery wasn't a revolution. It was an unbelievably slow journey that only culminated in that final act you reference.

You'd do well to realize most revolutions are actually evolutions that only look fast and easy in hindsight. Change--real change--takes work, it takes time, and it takes the efforts of countless people whom time will simply forget.

Yes.

February, y'all.

 

[SURGEdude]

That's what I got from it. Hoping it leads to some "whoa" moments for some.

That's my only hope too.
Hillary has a hard earned coalition of folks. But there's a big number of people who are voting for identity over practicality.

Vote for somebody who starts bargaining from the left and works in. Not somebody who comes from the center and succumbs to the center right.

But neither one of the will do shit without mid-term support.
So we're fucked.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

But neither one of the will do shit without mid-term support.
So we're fucked.

Paramount. Need that blue congress for the census and hopefully unfuck the gerrymandering in place from the tea party mid terms.

 

[JesseEwiak]

That's my only hope too.
Hillary has a hard earned coalition of folks. But there's a big number of people who are voting for identity over practicality.

Vote for somebody who starts bargaining from the left and works in. Not somebody who comes from the center and succumbs to the center right.

But neither one of the will do shit without mid-term support.
So we're fucked.

With a Republican Congress, the result from "negotiations" will be the same - fuck you until we get what we want. Maybe if this were 1986 and we were dealing with Speaker Michel and Majority Leader Dole, it'd be different, but a Sanders Presidency and a Clinton Presidency will largely be the same when it comes to Congressional action.

 

[Jenov]

Are you seriously saying that slavery was ended by one single act from Lincoln?

There were massive movements behind him, whose seeds were sown decades before Lincoln ever even thought of running for political office. The machine that brought about slavery's end was oiled by the sweat and tears of countess abolitionists, freed slaves, sympathizes, and even politicians who worked tirelessly to end it.

Your glib dismissal of the arduous work of people like James Oglethorpe (who laid out the frame upon which many abolitionist thinkers hung their arguments), Fredrick Douglas, William Garrison, Susan B. Anthony, Harriet Tubman, and literally thousands of others who risked (or gave) life, limb, and fortune to kill the beast does them a massive disservice and weakens your argument.

You look at Lincoln and say he ended slavery with a single revolutionary action by taking a pen and signing a sheet of paper that set slaves free. But that pen was filled with the blood of those who fought and died for years and years to bring about that ending. The abolishment of slavery wasn't a revolution. It was an unbelievably slow journey that only culminated in that final act you reference.

You'd do well to realize most revolutions are actually evolutions that only look fast and easy in hindsight. Change--real change--takes work, it takes time, and it takes the efforts of countless people whom time will simply forget.

Beautiful response.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I doubt Obama would have been hurt at all.

And it certainly wouldn't have given Romney the win.

Absolutely disagree. As pointed out it has never not hurt.

 

[User 463088]

Are you seriously saying that slavery was ended by one single act from Lincoln?

There were massive movements behind him, whose seeds were sown decades before Lincoln ever even thought of running for political office. The machine that brought about slavery's end was oiled by the sweat and tears of countess abolitionists, freed slaves, sympathizes, and even politicians who worked tirelessly to end it.

Your glib dismissal of the arduous work of people like James Oglethorpe (who laid out the frame upon which many abolitionist thinkers hung their arguments), Fredrick Douglas, William Garrison, Susan B. Anthony, Harriet Tubman, and literally thousands of others who risked (or gave) life, limb, and fortune to kill the beast does them a massive disservice and weakens your argument.

You look at Lincoln and say he ended slavery with a single revolutionary action by taking a pen and signing a sheet of paper that set slaves free. But that pen was filled with the blood of those who fought and died for years and years to bring about that ending. The abolishment of slavery wasn't a revolution. It was an unbelievably slow journey that only culminated in that final act you reference.

You'd do well to realize most revolutions are actually evolutions that only look fast and easy in hindsight. Change--real change--takes work, it takes time, and it takes the efforts of countless people whom time will simply forget.

Thank you for this.

 

[theignoramus]

I hope more people find out what a piece of shit Kissinger is.

The people of Chile, Cambodia, and Laos certainly do. Awful man.

 

[Alcander]

Ehhh, you could also argue that him being googled so much is a sign it was a strong attack because it caught people's attention. I don't think that data is really indicative one way or the other.

Haha, if people have to google your attack to figure out its meaning, I don't think that makes it a strong attack.

 

[RustyNails]

Are you seriously saying that slavery was ended by one single act from Lincoln?

There were massive movements behind him, whose seeds were sown decades before Lincoln ever even thought of running for political office. The machine that brought about slavery's end was oiled by the sweat and tears of countess abolitionists, freed slaves, sympathizers, and even politicians who worked tirelessly to end it.

Your glib dismissal of the arduous work of people like James Oglethorpe (who laid out the frame upon which many abolitionist thinkers hung their arguments), Fredrick Douglas, William Garrison, Susan B. Anthony, Harriet Tubman, and literally thousands of others who risked (or gave) life, limb, and fortune to kill the beast does them a massive disservice and weakens your argument.

You look at Lincoln and say he ended slavery with a single revolutionary action by taking a pen and signing a sheet of paper that set slaves free. But that pen was filled with the blood of those who fought and died for years and years to bring about that ending. The abolishment of slavery wasn't a revolution. It was an unbelievably slow journey that only culminated in that final act you reference.

You'd do well to realize most revolutions are actually evolutions that only look fast and easy in hindsight. Change--real change--takes work, it takes time, and it takes the efforts of countless people whom time will simply forget.

And this is just the briefest of brief response to that irresponsible post about Vampire Hunter Abraham Lincoln in a momentary act of defiant revolution signing a paper and setting the slaves free forever. The abolitionists had to drag him endlessly, for years.

 

[Kickz]

Close debate and I thought they both did well but the edge definitely goes to Bernie on his SuperPac lines and the bit with shaming that sociopath Kissinger.

 

[Amir0x]

Thank you for this.

I would like to add that while the institution of slavery was technically ended, blacks endured for decades afterwards a state of existence that was often just as bad due to laws being made immediately to restrict their rights and ability to obtain work and live. There is a great book about it called "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II", but if you're short on time or money watch the documentary PBS made about the book here. It effectively argues that they left one form of slavery to a state existence that often amounted to little more than slavery. For example, incarceration laws that would mass imprison black folk on nebulous charges like "vagrancy" and then put them to hard labor in the prisons.

It took until the end of the civil rights era to give blacks most of the same rights, and even then the country is literally glued together by institutional racism. The tireless work of a million tiny worker bees moving the proverbial ball forward is a well documented and undeniable fact. Trying to use slavery as the example of BIG REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE in one swoop is laughable - to say nothing of how even that act was accomplished, which by itself required massive legislative maneuvering to even reach that point.

 

[pigeon]

Well at least people are educating themselves.

Not just voting for their gender.

Spoiler

Not serious, but too easy based on his insulting assumption about young voters who didn't have experience with Kissinger.

I have no idea what this post is even supposed to mean. Who are you talking about?

 

[Tesseract]

i hear bernie got street fighter v early, wonder who his main is

 

[excelsiorlef]

I would like to add that while the institution of slavery was technically ended, blacks endured for decades afterwards a state of existence that was often just as bad due to laws being made immediately to restrict their rights and ability to obtain work and live. There is a great book about it called "Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II", but if you're short on time or money watch the documentary PBS made about the book here. It effectively argues that they left one form of slavery to a state existence that often amounted to little more than slavery. For example, incarceration laws that would mass imprison black folk on nebulous charges like "vagrancy" and then put them to hard labor in the prisons.

It took until the end of the civil rights era to give blacks most of the same rights, and even then the country is literally glued together by institutional racism. The tireless work of a million tiny worker bees moving the proverbial ball forward is a well documented and undeniable fact. Trying to use slavery as the example of BIG REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE in one swoop is laughable - to say nothing of how even that act was accomplished, which by itself required massive legislative maneuvering to even reach that point.

Not to mention the only reparations given out of it all was to former Slave Owners

 

[besada]

Haha, if people have to google your attack to figure out its meaning, I don't think that makes it a strong attack.

Except Bernie already has the youth demographic. The attack was for the benefit of a group he doesn't have, liberal over 44s, most of whom -- speaking here as a liberal 46 year old -- know and have strong feelings about Kissinger.

 

[royalan]

Rewatching the debate, and catching the healthcare exchange from the beginning that I missed.

Goddamn what a brilliant moment from Hillary. I was walking away from this debate thinking it was closer to a tie because Bernie finally cleaned up his answers on foreign policy, but damn she walked away with this debate from that beginning exchange alone. Just completely body slammed him on healthcare and the general impracticality of many of his proposals, and the boos he got for that weak "you're not in the White House yet" retort was pretty telling on who the audience thought won that exchange as well.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

That "a vote in 2002 is not a plan for 2016" was devastating. Really underlines the issue with Bernie in my opinion; he is a single issue candidate.

 

[noshten]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JessBudd3/status/698008018521190401[/tweet]

I found this mildly amusing.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Google trends from the debate - stolen from reddit

Loved how all that did was result in people going "Who the hell is Henry Kissinger?" Now more people will now about the international playboy.

 

[excelsiorlef]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JessBudd3/status/698008018521190401[/tweet]

I found this mildly amusing.

More amusing was the last tweet comparing her to fucking Ayn Rand. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome is such a poor look for these folks

Also 93% similar voting record. He pushed her more left but she absolutely did not change everything.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Bernie is 'single issue' because his campaign is about addressing what's arguably the biggest and most important issue that this nation is facing.
EDIT: Not to mention that this issue quite literally affects all the other issues.

 

[Psychoward]

That "a vote in 2002 is not a plan for 2016" was devastating. Really underlines the issue with Bernie in my opinion; he is a single issue candidate.

It would be more devastating if she smartened up in her foreign policy in 2016 and showed she learned from her mistake but alas.

Dems rightly dragged out the problems with the Iraq War for years even after its end and I don't think supporting someone whose claim to fame is foreign policy knowledge yet fucked up TERRIBLY is a good look.

Edit: Bernie bros give her a lot of undeserved shit on the domestic front, she has a great foundation on education, women's rights, etc. etc. but it baffles me that anyone could point to her foreign policy record as a positive aspect of her campaign. And no, it's not just the Iraq vote that highlights her general lack of foresight - it's just it's a very prominent singular event. You've got Libya, her take on drones and a whole other host of issues to point to.

 

[dabig2]

Bernie is 'single issue' because his campaign is about addressing what's arguably the biggest and most important issue that this nation is facing.
EDIT: Not to mention that this issue quite literally affects all the other issues.

As Wu-Tang says:

Cash rules everything around me.
CREAM, get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all

Hope Bernie busts that out next debate.

 

[acklame]

Hillary was excellent.

 

[Crocodile]

*Wasn't able to watch the debate so walk in here for a summary*

*See's Tabris' post*

Welp, I think my eyes started bleeding

I'll try to get a summary later :/

I'm sure you're probably joking, but this wasn't meant as a Black History Month essay. It's the debate I got into with a Sanders supporter at work who insisted that the country needs a revolution, then went on to talk about Lincoln's "revolutionary" act.

My only point is that wasn't a revolution. Lincoln was a capstone on something that had started before he was even born. To forget or toss aside their efforts and struggles is just not fair to them, and it's intellectually dishonest.

royalan's point (as far as I can interpret it) was that BHM tends to be a period where people really out themselves as knowing nothing of the Black experience (current or past). Basically, "of course during BHM would someone like Tabris say something so damn stupid about the history of Black people in this country". I'm sure he appreicates your contribution to this thread. I do as well.

 

[Tesseract]

More amusing was the last tweet comparing her to fucking Ayn Rand. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome is such a poor look for these folks

Also 93% similar voting record. He pushed her more left but she absolutely did not change everything.

 

[Mr. RPG]

Just finished watching the debate. Bernie was amazing.

That "a vote in 2002 is not a plan for 2016" was devastating. Really underlines the issue with Bernie in my opinion; he is a single issue candidate.

I don't think this is true at all.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Well one thing that's been amazing for sure, is that my initial interest in Bernie, has brought very compelling arguments about supporting Hillary from Gaf, and from the conversations about the merits of both, I learned that nothing can get done because of Republican obstructionism. I've now been angered to a point where I feel it's my duty to take action and vote these clowns out.

Very obscurely, Bernie piqued my interest in this election cycle, and I feel like Gaf educated me pretty well on the system at play. You've done well

 

[Foffy]

Well one thing that's been amazing for sure, is that my initial interest in Bernie, has brought very compelling arguments about supporting Hillary from Gaf, and from the conversations about the merits of both, I learned that nothing can get done because of Republican obstructionism. I've now been angered to a point where I feel it's my duty to take action and vote these clowns out.

Very obscurely, Bernie piqued my interest in this election cycle, and I feel like Gaf educated me pretty well on the system at play. You've done well

It really amounts to fighting regressiveism.

We ain't getting anything worth a fuck from any candidate running, but one party promises more problems while the other is there mainly to freeze the expansion of problems. That regressive party starts with an R, I think, like in the sentence "I wish I had Reason."

 

[JVIDICAN]

Good fairly even debate. Nothing that's going to shift anyone's current preference. Suporters of either side will claim that there candidate won and have a few valid points to support it.

 

[watershed]

I wish Bernie was more focused on explaining his solutions. He glosses over the feasibility of forcing states to carry out his agenda. He glosses over the immense cost of his plans and how he intends to get congress to pass his legislative agenda. All his answers focus on the problems, and I agree with him there. But he sounds even more idealistic than Obama did in 08 about what is doable within our current system.

 

[royalan]

royalan's point (as far as I can interpret it) was that BHM tends to be a period where people really out themselves as knowing nothing of the Black experience (current or past). Basically, "of course during BHM would someone like Tabris say something so damn stupid about the history of Black people in this country". I'm sure he appreicates your contribution to this thread. I do as well.

Correct. I was applauding Plop's post. It was a great post.

Bernie is 'single issue' because his campaign is about addressing what's arguably the biggest and most important issue that this nation is facing.
EDIT: Not to mention that this issue quite literally affects all the other issues.

But it isn't the sole cause of a lot of those issues, or even the root cause. This is a major stumbling block that's keeping Sanders from connecting his message to a lot of undecided black voters, and he needs to get that.

 

[Psychoward]

But it isn't the sole cause of a lot of those issues, or even the root cause. This is a major stumbling block that's keeping Sanders from connecting his message to a lot of undecided black voters, and he needs to get that.

Yeah I'll admit it was disappointing to hear his take on race relations right after his great ad on it :/

 

[nynt9]

More amusing was the last tweet comparing her to fucking Ayn Rand. The Clinton Derangement Syndrome is such a poor look for these folks

Also 93% similar voting record. He pushed her more left but she absolutely did not change everything.

I mean, her voting record can't really reflect how Bernie has pushed her, right? Has she made a lot of significant votes since Bernie's campaign really started to kick into gear? This doesn't sound like a meaningful metric. Comparing her current policies to pre-Bernie would be more revealing.

I wish Bernie was more focused on explaining his solutions. He glosses over the feasibility of forcing states to carry out his agenda. He glosses over the immense cost of his plans and how he intends to get congress to pass his legislative agenda. All his answers focus on the problems, and I agree with him there. But he sounds even more idealistic than Obama did in 08 about what is doable within our current system.

I mean, a debate with 30 second answer limits isn't really the time to get into that re: cost. That's what the budget he put out a few weeks ago is for, no?

 

[Prodigal Son]

Correct. I was applauding Plop's post. It was a great post.



But it isn't the sole cause of a lot of those issues, or even the root cause. This is a major stumbling block that's keeping Sanders from connecting his message to a lot of undecided black voters, and he needs to get that.

Setting black voters aside for a moment (I'm super black so I hope I can say that), money in politics is the greatest issue affecting America. It's undermining American democracy. Our congress is bought, our politicians are bought. "Progress" is only made when more money is on the winning side. We need to cut that shit out ASAP or our political system will forever be a fucking sham.

We can't keep electing people who exploit and feed that corrupt political system. You can't be for campaign finance reform while exploiting the corrupt system yourself, for the fuck's sake.

This is the most important issue, because it affects virtually all other issues. If we fix this, we'll be halfway there on so many other things.

 

[watershed]

Neither Hillary nor Bernie want to address racism directly. They want to talk about systemic racism in policing, education, healthcare, etc without talking about what motivates it: RACISM. Hillary gets closer than Bernie by a little.

 

[Dr. Pangloss]

I wish Bernie was more focused on explaining his solutions. He glosses over the feasibility of forcing states to carry out his agenda. He glosses over the immense cost of his plans and how he intends to get congress to pass his legislative agenda. All his answers focus on the problems, and I agree with him there. But he sounds even more idealistic than Obama did in 08 about what is doable within our current system.

Very true. Bernie's movement is more of a liberal tea party movement. Its just an agenda setting argument with no real world experience on how our political institutions currently operate. Sure its nice to want things, but Bernie and his supports would be better off not just sending Bernie to Washington. They need to send hundreds of Bernies to Congress to get their agenda passed. The presidency is really not the all powerful force we make it out to be. Obama has been saying this for years, but no one listens

 

[RastaMentality]

Neither Hillary nor Bernie want to address racism directly. They want to talk about systemic racism in policing, education, healthcare, etc without talking about what motivates it: RACISM. Hillary gets closer than Bernie by a little.

Given the way people have been rejecting the existence of institutional racism on the internet and such, I'm shocked politicians are even bringing it up but you can definitely see them going around the issue to possibly not make white ppl uncomfortable.

 

[ApharmdX]

Has anyone made/posted a good debate highlight? I missed this one.

I did see the discussion the last couple of pages on Kissinger. Why in god's name would Hillary want to associate herself with Kissinger, or validate her foreign policy positions by the man? He's a war criminal. I'm surprised that more people don't know their history when it comes to that man. He was a wretched monster, notable as such even in a time where the fate of life on Earth was threatened by the pride (and greed) of a handful of men.

 

[royalan]

Setting black voters aside for a moment (I'm super black so I hope I can that), money in politics is the greatest issue affecting America. It's undermining American democracy. Our congress is bought, our politicians are bought. "Progress" is only made when more money is on the winning side. We need to cut that shit out ASAP or our political system will forever be a fucking sham.

We can't keep electing people who exploit and feed that corrupt political system. You can't be for campaign finance reform while exploiting the corrupt system yourself, for the fuck's sake.

This is the most important issue, because it affects virtually all other issues. If we fix this, we'll be halfway there on so many other things.

I'm not saying money not an important issue, just that it isn't the only issue, and a lot of issues are not solved by focusing solely on it like Bernie is. A lot of people believe race to be one of those issues. And as Hillary pointed out tonight, look at Barack Obama. Managed to get a whole lot of good done despite being one of the largest benefactors of wall street money ever.

 

[nynt9]

Neither Hillary nor Bernie want to address racism directly. They want to talk about systemic racism in policing, education, healthcare, etc without talking about what motivates it: RACISM. Hillary gets closer than Bernie by a little.

I mean, I don't know how you beat racism, but policies like those try to minimize its impact and heal its damage so it's the next best thing. Those are things they might actually be able to change. They can't really make people not racist.

 

[brainchild]

But it isn't the sole cause of a lot of those issues, or even the root cause. This is a major stumbling block that's keeping Sanders from connecting his message to a lot of undecided black voters, and he needs to get that.

The government isn't God, nor is any politician. The true roots to most of our problems have nothing to do with politics, rather, they are seeded in human nature. However, any solutions provided by our government to deal with our country's many problems must be handled through a political process. If that process is corrupt, then its corruption literally affects EVERY FACET of every problem that our government is capable of addressing and resolving.

Bernie's core message is not a stumbling block, but a cornerstone to a very necessary political revolution. It's fine if you think it hurts his chances with some undecided black voters, but his message is also resonating with other black voters, as well as Latino voters, and women voters, and young voters, and poor voters, etc.

He's not going to stop and he shouldn't. Whether it's a winning strategy or not remains to be seen, but even if Bernie was a single-issue candidate (which he patently isn't), it would be the one single issue above all others to harp on as a POLITICIAN who helps people by way of a POLITICAL system.

 

[watershed]

I mean, I don't know how you beat racism, but policies like those try to minimize its impact and heal its damage so it's the next best thing. Those are things they might actually be able to change. They can't really make people not racist.

I think you talk bout it because talking about it matters. I'm all for what Bernie and Hillary are proposing. Policies need to change. Systems need to change. But you also have to talk about the root causes. I'm tired of people not naming race. That silence only perpetuates racism and white supremacy. Education, and changing lived realities by actively re-integrating schools, for example, actually works. But there is no consensus to do these things if no one talks about racism.

 

[Prodigal Son]

I'm not saying money not an important issue, just that it isn't the only issue, and a lot of issues are not solved by focusing solely on it like Bernie is. A lot of people believe race to be one of those issues. And as Hillary pointed out tonight, look at Barack Obama. Managed to get a whole lot of good done despite being one of the largest benefactors of wall street money ever.

Of course it isn't the only issue, but like I've been saying time and time again, it's an issue that affects all issues. If 90% of America wants gun background checks, we should have gun background checks. We don't have gun background checks because powers like the NRA have money in congress. A sensible person sees this and nips problem at the bud. You don't continue to lobby primarily for gun control, you lobby to remove the financial corruption from congress. It doesn't take a political genius to see this. This is common reasoning.

Obama wasn't given money from Wall-Street because they were feeling generous. They gave him money because they expected something in return. They got it. They still have a hand in congress and a president who hasn't, at all, made it a chief goal to change that.

Our system is fucked and it's so saddening to see people have brainwashed themselves into voting for candidates who are accepting and even supporting of corruption in its purest form. Stop drinking the fucking kool aid.

 

[royalan]

The government isn't God, nor is any politician. The true roots to most of our problems have nothing to do with politics, rather, they are seeded in human nature. However, any solutions provided by our government to deal with our country's many problems must be handled through a political process. If that process is corrupt, then its corruption literally affects EVERY FACET of every problem that our government is capable of addressing and resolving.

Bernie's core message is not a stumbling block, but a cornerstone to a very necessary political revolution. It's fine if you think it hurts his chances with some undecided black voters, but his message is also resonating with other black voters, as well as Latino voters, and women voters, and young voters, and poor voters, etc.

He's not going to stop and he shouldn't. Whether it's a winning strategy remains to be seen, but even if Bernie was a single-issue candidate (which he patently isn't), it would be the one single issue above all others to harp on as a POLITICIAN who helps people by way of a POLITICAL system.

Remove money from politics, and our system would still be corrupt.

Money, or the lack of it, did not create racism. And since the entire purpose of this thread is tonight's debate where both candidates spent a fair amount of time making their cases to the Southern States and the black electorate, I don't see a problem with pointing out that he's narrowing his message, and thus his chances with a lot of black voters, by focusing so much of his commentary on racial issues on how it ties into his economic inequality stump, even in questions where he's being directly prompted to step outside of that box.

 

[finowns]

I think you talk bout it because talking about it matters. I'm all for what Bernie and Hillary are proposing. Policies need to change. Systems need to change. But you also have to talk about the root causes. I'm tired of people not naming race. That silence only perpetuates racism and white supremacy. Education, and changing lived realities by actively re-integrating schools, for example, actually works. But there is no consensus to do these things if no one talks about racism.

What would you like to hear them say?

 

[leroidys]

i hear bernie got street fighter v early, wonder who his main is

I have it on good authority that he's a Chun player.

 

[Psychoward]

What would you like to hear them say?

"One of the reasons institutionalized racism still exists is because even in 2016 there are racist people living in our country"

boom, I'll expect a check in the mail

 

[finowns]

"One of the reasons institutionalized racism still exists is because even in 2016 there are racist people living in our country"

boom, I'll expect a check in the mail

So, just confirm racial bias is an actual thing even though their whole talking points about systemic racism are predicated on that being true.