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[BadAss2961]

Just because you shockingly didn't like a marvel movie as much as most people doesn't mean the statement isn't true. People in general loved the fuck out of the characters in GotG, Gamora being the weak link among the crew. That this is even questionable is almost as outlandish as arguing the MCU hasn't had any lasting pop cultural significance.

I don't even figure what makes Gamora the weak link. Brotista's equally as cliched and is one of the worst designed characters in comic film history on top of being nerfed. Starlord is your standard quippy lead.

Rocket and Groot, the CG characters, are the only somewhat interesting parts of the crew.

 

[generic_username]

I dont know what people mean when they say pop culture. When I think of pop culture super heroes I think of Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc.. Like you could ask most people on the street who they are and people would most likely know.

Now if reviews and box office are indicative of how well GOTG characters were loved than sure maybe they were loved. That is not reflective of pop culture at all. Like no one would know or care about Gamora, Groot or that Batista character whatever his name was in the movie if you asked people on the street.

 

[IconGrist]

I liked Batista's character more than Groot which is who everyone seems to gravitate to. Yea, as someone who goes by "The Destroyer" Drax was kind of a bitch but he had the best lines/scenes in the movie. Yes, including the Groot shake which Batista still helped sell.

#TeamDrax

I dont know what people mean when they say pop culture. When I think of pop culture super heroes I think of Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc.. Like you could ask most people on the street who they are and people would most likely know.

Now if reviews and box office are indicative of how well GOTG characters were loved than sure maybe they were loved. That is not reflective of pop culture at all. Like no one would know or care about Gamora, Groot or that Batista character whatever his name was in the movie if you asked people on the street.

Despite guek's claims GotG did not break into pop culture. Were the characters liked? Yes. Was the movie liked? Yes. Did it make way more than anyone predicted? Yes. But that doesn't mean it had lasting appeal amongst the general public. No one even brings that movie up anymore except to speculate on the sequel and in arguments about which MCU movie was the best. I could probably go around town and ask people if they know what a Groot is or if they have ever heard of Gamora and likely would not find many. Even names like Starlord and Rocket Raccoon sound like old 80's cartoon characters which is probably what would be guessed if I asked about them. I'm pretty sure I could take a picture of the crew and show it around and still not get many correct guesses. I'm actually kinda mad I can't conduct such an experiment, lol.

The "Who?" gif is about all you ever see around the internet and truthfully only around enthusiast forums.

 

[Magwik]

Um...yes? But what does longevity of merchandising have to do with anything? People loved the fuck out of Avatar too, the lack of new merchandise in the absence of a sequel doesn't change that fact.

People didn't love Avatar. They loved the 3D spectacle. Guardians succeeded the same reason Deadpool did, the comedy and self realization of the movies made it more appealing. the difference between GoTT and Deadpool is that you could replace the cast and nobody would really care because the film around the cast is what helped it succeed. Do people know the characters? Sure. Are they household names? Probably not. Also I wasn't being serious about the merchandise for GoTG. There is none.

 

[KalBalboa]

So over $300 is obviously a little absurd.

We're also saying anything below $140 should be considered a "disaster" for some reason...

What would people consider to be great/good? $180 million?

 

[generic_username]

So over $300 is obviously a little absurd.

We're also saying anything below $140 should be considered a "disaster" for some reason...

What would people consider to be great/good? $180 million?

Anything above 150 should be fine.

 

[guek]

I'd say that people definitely liked the GotG characters a lot, and they picked up a fair few new fans, but idk about "resonated," and I definitely don't know about mentioning them in the same breath as Superman, who has basically transcended comic books and even pop culture at this point.

The comparison wasn't really about pop culture, someone else pointed out that one of the reasons Guardians did so well was because people enjoyed the characters so much and that Superman, as a figure in cinema, hasn't hit the same cord with audiences since the the Reeve films. Yeah, Superman is a way bigger property, that wasn't ever in question.

I dont know what people mean when they say pop culture. When I think of pop culture super heroes I think of Batman, Superman, Spiderman etc.. Like you could ask most people on the street who they are and people would most likely know.

Now if reviews and box office are indicative of how well GOTG characters were loved than sure maybe they were loved. That is not reflective of pop culture at all. Like no one would know or care about Gamora, Groot or that Batista character whatever his name was in the movie if you asked people on the street.

The pop culture thing was a reference to a prior conversation where BadAss2961 tried to argue that the MCU hasn't had an impact on modern pop culture. I used a bad example during that discussion and now he brings it up whenever he can as if the validity of my admittedly poor example was what was being discussed in the first place. I wasn't saying GoTG have become huge pop cultural icons comparable to Superman, etc.

People didn't love Avatar. They loved the 3D spectacle. Guardians succeeded the same reason Deadpool did, the comedy and self realization of the movies made it more appealing. the difference between GoTT and Deadpool is that you could replace the cast and nobody would really care because the film around the cast is what helped it succeed. Do people know the characters? Sure. Are they household names? Probably not. Also I wasn't being serious about the merchandise for GoTG. There is none.

People didn't love Avatar? There's no GotG merchandise??

OK.

 

[Kimawolf]

I'm expecting this to open at 140 million to 150 million opening weekend, then have a major drop off. I think it will beat Civil War's opening weekend but Civil War will out gross it.

 

[KalBalboa]

Anything above 150 should be fine.

Fine ≠ Good or Great, heh.

What would people accept as a good or great opening weekend for BvS? Everyone seems to agree that $300 is unrealistic but that $130-140 million is the acceptable start.

 

[generic_username]

The comparison wasn't really about pop culture, someone else pointed out that one of the reasons Guardians did so well was because people enjoyed the characters so much and that Superman, as a figure in cinema, hasn't hit the same cord with audiences since the the Reeve films. Yeah, Superman is a way bigger property, that wasn't ever in question.



The pop culture thing was a reference to a prior conversation where BadAss2961 tried to argue that the MCU hasn't had an impact on modern pop culture. I used a bad example during that discussion and now he brings it up whenever he can as if the validity of my admittedly poor example was what was being discussed in the first place. I wasn't saying GoTG have become huge pop cultural icons comparable to Superman, etc.

Fair enough and I agree with you. To argue that MCU has not had cultural impact would be quite frankly absurd. Iron Man is definitely up there. Not Batman, Superman, Spiderman status but def quite well known now. Avengers as a brand is pretty big.

Fine ≠ Good or Great, heh.

What would people accept as a good or great opening weekend for BvS? Everyone seems to agree that $300 is unrealistic but that $130-140 million is the acceptable start.

200+

 

[guek]

Despite guek's claims GotG did not break into pop culture. Were the characters liked? Yes. Was the movie liked? Yes. Did it make way more than anyone predicted? Yes. But that doesn't mean it had lasting appeal amongst the general public. No one even brings that movie up anymore except to speculate on the sequel and in arguments about which MCU movie was the best. I could probably go around town and ask people if they know what a Groot is or if they have ever heard of Gamora and likely would not find many. Even names like Starlord and Rocket Raccoon sound like old 80's cartoon characters which is probably what would be guessed if I asked about them. I'm pretty sure I could take a picture of the crew and show it around and still not get many correct guesses. I'm actually kinda mad I can't conduct such an experiment, lol.

The "Who?" gif is about all you ever see around the internet and truthfully only around enthusiast forums.

I never said anything about GotG breaking into pop culture >_<

I said people loved the characters when it came out because they did. It's still brought up plenty when discussing the MCU, which of course is only done with any regularity among enthusiasts.

 

[IconGrist]

I never said anything about GotG breaking into pop culture >_<

I said people loved the characters when it came out because they did. It's still brought up plenty when discussing the MCU, which of course is only done with any regularity among enthusiasts.

I know but it gets you riled up, lol. Just having a bit of fun with you.

 

[broncobuster]

So over $300 is obviously a little absurd.

We're also saying anything below $140 should be considered a "disaster" for some reason...

What would people consider to be great/good? $180 million?

I believe the reasoning isn't $140mil is poor for Batman v Superman the film. It'd worrisome for the DC movie slate built off its back. I understand but don't know if I agree with the sentiment. Unlike Amazing Spider-Man 2, there aren't plans and dreams of a cinematic universe. Suicide Squad is out in August. Wonder Woman is nearly finished its filming. Justice League will start filming in April.

 

[guek]

I know but it gets you riled up, lol. Just having a bit of fun with you.

y u do dis icon

 

[BadAss2961]

The pop culture thing was a reference to a prior conversation where BadAss2961 tried to argue that the MCU hasn't had an impact on modern pop culture. I used a bad example during that discussion and now he brings it up whenever he can as if the validity of my admittedly poor example was what was being discussed in the first place. I wasn't saying GoTG have become huge pop cultural icons comparable to Superman, etc.

Actually, barring this one occasion, i'm pretty sure it's been someone else every single time that's initially brought up that particular blunder of yours.

 

[generic_username]

I believe the reasoning isn't $140mil is poor for Batman v Superman the film. It'd worrisome for the DC movie slate built off its back. I understand but don't know if I agree with the sentiment. Unlike Amazing Spider-Man 2, there aren't plans and dreams of a cinematic universe. Suicide Squad is out in August. Wonder Woman is nearly finished its filming. Justice League will start filming in April.

Iron Man Box Office - $585,174,222

Cinematic universe was possible after those numbers.

First film in the MCU to hit a billion was only Avengers many movies later.

All BVS has to do is just be decent and the cinematic universe will happen without any hitches.

As kswiston posted earlier BVS doing a billion is a very high possibility.

 

[IconGrist]

Actually, barring this one occasion, i'm pretty sure it's been someone else every single time that's initially brought up that particular blunder of yours.

Y'know I felt bad for guek's little mistep there and gave one back and he never once used it against me.

#teamguek He's my favorite Marvel fanboy.

 

[KalBalboa]

Iron Man Box Office - $585,174,222

Cinematic universe was possible after those numbers.

First film in the MCU to hit a billion was only Avengers many movies later.

All BVS has to do is just be decent and the cinematic universe will happen without any hitches.

As kswiston posted earlier BVS doing a billion is a very high possibility.

I think there's some good points you're making here, but the better comparison to Iron Man would be Man of Steel and not BvS.

Man of Steel is the one starting the DC cinematic universe, and all, and it did outgross Iron Man.

 

[BadAss2961]

Iron Man Box Office - $585,174,222

Cinematic universe was possible after those numbers.

First film in the MCU to hit a billion was only Avengers many movies later.

All BVS has to do is just be decent and the cinematic universe will happen without any hitches.

As kswiston posted earlier BVS doing a billion is a very high possibility.

If BvS fails to reach a billion, I will tip my hat to guek and the rest of the Marvel cult, and call them my daddy.

 

[Lothars]

If BvS fails to reach a billion, I will tip my hat to guek and the rest of the Marvel cult, and call them my daddy.

If it's a bad movie and word of mouth is negative than it won't but if it has good word of mouth than it will definitely break a billion.

 

[Magwik]

I don't think I'll ever attempt to make a solid prediction for BvS at the BO. Still trying to figure out Jurassic Worlds success.

 

[The Artisan]

i'm more excited for daredevil season 2 than i am for this. probably will still watch it opening weekend though.

 

[generic_username]

I think there's some good points you're making here, but the better comparison to Iron Man would be Man of Steel and not BvS.

Man of Steel is the one starting the DC cinematic universe, and all, and it did outgross Iron Man.

Yeah that is true. What I am saying is those kinds of numbers are enough to sustain a universe. Could they be better? Sure. But I do not think it would stop Warner Bros from having a shared universe unless the reviews are so bad that the audience that contributed to your first film do not want to return to your universe. So audience reviews need to be good even if fewer people watch the film. I think the trepidation for BVS comes from supposedly poor audience reviews for MoS. I still think the pop culture influence of these super heroes will transcend MoS poor audience reviews and will get a lot of butts in the seats.

If this were to happen to C tier heroes like Lantern , Captain America etc.. and they were charged with the responsibility of creating a shared universe then I can see that possibility.

But Batman, Superman etc are slightly more significant super heroes and therefore I still think people will come just to see Batman and Superman on the same screen even if they did not like Man of Steel. Hopefully it does well and Snyder does not screw up this one. I have my doubts about him but really pumped up after the last trailer.

If BvS fails to reach a billion, I will tip my hat to guek and the rest of the Marvel cult, and call them my daddy.

Lol why do you have to do this man.

 

[broncobuster]

I don't think I'll ever attempt to make a solid prediction for BvS at the BO. Still trying to figure out Jurassic Worlds success.

...Spielberg walked into Colin Trevorrow's office and said "I'm here to talk to you about the Jurassic initiative."

Spoiler

That one's free, guek!

 

[guek]

#teamguek He's my favorite Marvel fanboy.

If BvS fails to reach a billion, I will tip my hat to guek and the rest of the Marvel cult, and call them my daddy.

but I don't think a billion is unlikely at all...

 

[Schweinehund]

Fine &#8800; Good or Great, heh.

What would people accept as a good or great opening weekend for BvS? Everyone seems to agree that $300 is unrealistic but that $130-140 million is the acceptable start.

I think anything below $150 million would cause WB to reconsider their strategy (maybe cutting some of their slate movies like Shazam/Cyborg, then moving up the time table for Batman solo, consider switching directors for JL: Part 2). Of course this wouldn't be the sole factor, if the film has great legs than they'll overlook it.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I don't think I'll ever attempt to make a solid prediction for BvS at the BO. Still trying to figure out Jurassic Worlds success.

Dinosaurs

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Dyna-Sawwers!

 

[Mariolee]

Diane Sawyers!

 

[generic_username]

Diana Sawyers

 

[Pau]

Realized that the tickets go on sale on Clark's birthday. :3

Hope buying won't be as much of a hassle as Star Wars seemed to be.

 

[Exodust]

165-170 million domestic OW

 

[Exodust]

dp

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Dinosaucers?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

double post. What is up with GAF locking up tonight?

 

[Calm waterfall]

If it's a bad movie and word of mouth is negative than it won't but if it has good word of mouth than it will definitely break a billion.

Some very bad movies make over a billion. WoM online does not mean much to reach a billion for a very well known block buster franchises. A billion for BvS is not a possibility, it´s a certainty.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I don't think I'll ever attempt to make a solid prediction for BvS at the BO. Still trying to figure out Jurassic Worlds success.

People thought the movie was good? I know this is shocking to many Gaffers, but just because they hated a movie doesn't mean the rest of the world did too.

 

[ArtHands]

Yah. Batman v superman should make 1 billion easily in the end at the very least, if not it will be a flop imo.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Dinosaucers?

Wow, it's incredibly easy to tell which ones are good and bad.

 

[twinturbo2]

Is everyone just going to wait for the R-rated Blu-ray, or nah?

 

[Shaanyboi]

Is everyone just going to wait for the R-rated Blu-ray, or nah?

If the movie is entertaining enough that I want to buy it, then sure, that's the one I'm gonna get. But I'm not waiting to see the movie until the R rated cut is out, if that's what you're saying.

 

[illmatic22]

Dina Sores

Wow, it's incredibly easy to tell which ones are good and bad.

Red dudes look angrier so them I guess.

 

[Exodust]

EXTREEEEME DINOSAURS!!!

 

[Lokimaru]

I loved Man of Steel, as a Superman Fan I thought it was Perfect. People are so beholden to the 77 Superman movie but that was an Adaption as well, Superman was not like that in the comics of the time. Krypton wasn't an Ice Planet it looked like this:

It was a real Alien World with it's own ecosystem and unique geography.

The Fortress of Solitude wasn't an Empty Ice Fortess it looked like this: http://bigglee.blogspot.com/2013/12/superman-tour-his-fortress-of-solitude.html

It was one of the Coolest pads in comics at the time.

But the Donner Movie never focused on the fact that Superman was an Alien, No one really seemed to care (I'm sure Carl Sagan would have had a few questions) except Luthor and that was only so he could pull Supes' weakness to Kryptonite OUT OF HIS ASS! Not long after the Donner Movie the Crises happen and all the cool shit about Superman went away, Supergirl, Krypto, The Legion ties, all of it.

Supes went from being Kryptonian and proud of it to being almost ashamed of being an alien. He wasn't even born on Krypton. Krptonians were turned into Haphephobia cases that a Vulcan would tell to lighten up, His home away from Home The Fortress was built by the Eradicator instead of Supes who really couldn't give two shits about it even though it ended up saving his life. Supes became Boring. He became us.

Man of Steel let you know from the get go, This Dude is NOT Us, deal with it. Some people Could, Some Couldn't and here we are.

 

[Dalek]

If BvS fails to reach a billion, I will tip my hat to guek and the rest of the Marvel cult, and call them my daddy.

 

[Forsaken82]

How can it be tracking if tickets haven't started to sell...?

There is this thing called a Survey (or focus groups) that researchers use to track interest in various projects even before anything has gone on sale.

 

[Ahasverus]

I hope you're psychologically ready for the most

Spoiler

nitpicked

discussed movie of the next decade.

 

[Magwik]

People thought the movie was good? I know this is shocking to many Gaffers, but just because they hated a movie doesn't mean the rest of the world did too.

I never said I hated the movie? I saw it 3 times last year. But there really wasn't a big rush to see it or anything. It just sort of happened.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I loved Man of Steel, as a Superman Fan I thought it was Perfect. People are so beholden to the 77 Superman movie but that was an Adaption as well, Superman was not like that in the comics of the time. Krypton wasn't an Ice Planet it looked like this:

It was a real Alien World with it's own ecosystem and unique geography.

The Fortress of Solitude wasn't an Empty Ice Fortess it looked like this: http://bigglee.blogspot.com/2013/12/superman-tour-his-fortress-of-solitude.html

It was one of the Coolest pads in comics at the time.

But the Donner Movie never focused on the fact that Superman was an Alien, No one really seemed to care (I'm sure Carl Sagan would have had a few questions) except Luthor and that was only so he could pull Supes' weakness to Kryptonite OUT OF HIS ASS! Not long after the Donner Movie the Crises happen and all the cool shit about Superman went away, Supergirl, Krypto, The Legion ties, all of it.

Supes went from being Kryptonian and proud of it to being almost ashamed of being an alien. He wasn't even born on Krypton. Krptonians were turned into Haphephobia cases that a Vulcan would tell to lighten up, His home away from Home The Fortress was built by the Eradicator instead of Supes who really couldn't give two shits about it even though it ended up saving his life. Supes became Boring. He became us.

Man of Steel let you know from the get go, This Dude is NOT Us, deal with it. Some people Could, Some Couldn't and here we are.

...you don't really think peoples' issue with Man of Steel was how Krypton and the Fortress of Solitude looked like, do you?

Also not sure what Crisis has to do with this.

 

[Bracewell]

Critical acclaim might be a long shot at this point, but I'm almost certain BvS will be a huge financial success.

If the first appearance of Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman together on the Silver Screen can't rake in a cool billion... I don't even want to think about it.