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[Durante]

I know that. But what is it referring to, not what does it stand for.

It sounds like people just want to say graphic quality, or visual fidelity. But they are using it to mean something else.

No.
Image quality is a subset of visual fidelity.

Visual fidelity is a combination of image quality, asset detail, shading quality, lighting accuracy, and so on and so forth.

When people refer to "image quality", they are specifically talking about the way a given, fixed set of assets and shaders are resolved into a final image.

 

[King Gilga]

Yeah the demo was as jaggy as fuck, didn't look like a looker at all, even my 13 year old cousin wasn't impressed at all, hope they really tweak it up.

 

[lowhighkang_LHK]

No.
Image quality is a subset of visual fidelity.

Visual fidelity is a combination of image quality, asset detail, shading quality, lighting accuracy, and so on and so forth.

When people refer to "image quality", they are specifically talking about the way a given, fixed set of assets and shaders are resolved into a final image.

Can certain non-game related factors degrade image quality? This final image you speak of? Like playing under poor light conditions? An overscanned TV etc etc.

IQ and people's interpretation of IQ bounce around so much on any same given game and I'm trying to figure out why, more than just "cus neogaf."

I also wish people wouldn't just say good IQ or bad IQ and just walk away, rather they explain exactly what in regards to the image they don't like.

 

[Synless]

Yeah the demo was as jaggy as fuck, didn't look like a looker at all, even my 13 year old cousin wasn't impressed at all, hope they really tweak it up.

Duscea was more impressive than the Platinum demo overall. Assets in the Platinum demo seemed really low quality imo.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

I'm asking myself the same question. The IQ is one of the worst i've seen this gen.

This quote scares me:

The purpose of the demo, according to Square Enix, is to give players a look at the finished game's visuals, as well as introduce them to the final combat and magic systems.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-free-demo-drops-today/1100-6436117/

 

[Aters]

I should point out that CDPR was new to open world games too?

I remember The Witcher II was kind of graphic powerhouse on PC. Many people only know this studio from The Witcher III, but in fact it has been featuring top-notch graphics for a long time. CDPR is some of the best developers when it comes to graphics in RPG games. I mean, as some people suggested earlier, we also have Bethesda and Bioware. I think FFXV still looks better than Fallout 4 and the new leaked video of Mass Effect Andromeda, not to mention all the other JRPGs except maybe KH3 and DQXI are basically last gen games or worse graphically.

 

[Sumio Mondo]

I'm asking myself the same question. The IQ is one of the worst i've seen this gen.

This quote scares me:



http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-free-demo-drops-today/1100-6436117/

The game's not gone gold yet, so I'd imagine optimisation would be one of the last things they'd do before calling it a day, I wouldn't get too worried yet. I really hope they don't think this game looks fine as it is since it looks like a downgrade from what was shown prior. This is even coming from someone who doesn't really care about visuals that much. Always though mainline FF was supposed to be a visual showcase, maybe those days are now over?

 

[Sn4ke_911]

The game's not gone gold yet, so I'd imagine optimisation would be one of the last things they'd do before calling it a day, I wouldn't get too worried yet. I really hope they don't think this game looks fine as it is since it looks like a downgrade from what was shown prior. This is even coming from someone who doesn't really care about visuals that much. Always though mainline FF was supposed to be a visual showcase, maybe those days are now over?

But the game is 6 months away from release.

Yeah i think it was good that they released this demo because the backlash must be insane, so it is NOT fine to release the game with those graphics, i hope SE took note and will fix this shit before release.

I'm very excited to see how the final product will look but then again 6 months is not that much.... in fact they don't even have 6 months to golden the game...

 

[tuxfool]

CDPR's achievements with Witcher 3 shouldn't be downplayed, but how does Witcher 2 not count? Is it just because all the open world~esque set pieces aren't connected at one time?

Witcher 2 is no more or less open than a standard 3D FF game. Heck, I'd say the areas in LR are about the same size as areas in the Witcher 2.

The crux of my point was that just because this is open world, it doesn't let SE off the hook form delivering with this game's image.

I remember The Witcher II was kind of graphic powerhouse on PC. Many people only know this studio from The Witcher III, but in fact it has been featuring top-notch graphics for a long time. CDPR is some of the best developers when it comes to graphics in RPG games. I mean, as some people suggested earlier, we also have Bethesda and Bioware. I think FFXV still looks better than Fallout 4 and the new leaked video of Mass Effect Andromeda, not to mention all the other JRPGs except maybe KH3 and DQXI are basically last gen games or worse graphically.

And FF games aren't known for being graphical powerhouses?

 

[tuxfool]

notably higher quality character models,

Nope. Nooooope

The character models are absolutely lower poly, lower texture detail in MGSV, than here.

How can people forget Quiet's triangular toes?

 

[komorebi]

I think FFXV still looks better than Fallout 4 and the new leaked video of Mass Effect Andromeda,

*calm yet janky walk from left side of the screen, turns stifly to face Aters*
*hand motions*

This is still a year out and that footage was from 2014.

 

[Venom Fox]

I'm asking myself the same question. The IQ is one of the worst i've seen this gen.

This quote scares me:



http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-free-demo-drops-today/1100-6436117/

Jesus stop posting that, it's like your intent on creating a hive mind or something.

If you watch the last ATB, they say it's a "tech demo" and it's to give fans a look at the "overall graphics".

 

[OverturePT]

Oh boy, that looks rough. They got a lot of work to do in 6 months.

 

[NoKisum]

Why doesn't SE just make it a launch title for the PS4K? Bad press aside, I've heard many around me say they'd buy an upgraded system

Spoiler

(not me though, I literally just got mine four months ago)

, so there is an audience. Then we'll be 100% sure the game can run the best it can.

 

[tuxfool]

Why doesn't SE just make it a launch title for the PS4K?

Because they need to sell a lot of units? Also to get it out of the door this year?

 

[Champomade]

Jump? Roll dodge?
WTF kind of jrpg is that???

 

[Vashetti]

Jump? Roll dodge?
WTF kind of jrpg is that???

One that isn't turn-based...?

 

[Barkley's Justice]

About to pull out that Louis CK airplane story up in here

 

[MilkBeard]

With all this complaining about AA and resolution and whatever, do you guys only play like The Witcher 3 and The Order and that's it? Not every game needs to, nor should be, the absolute best game in graphics at its release. For Final Fantasy, this game seems impressive to me, and Square is new to a lot of this (well, new as in 10 years in but their first game )

It's Square's own fault. Final Fantasy XIII (the original) had nearly pristine IQ (on PS3). The game suffered though, as they sacrificed playability for that. Which meant, corridors.

 

[itsbenoclock]

Why doesn't SE just make it a launch title for the PS4K? Bad press aside, I've heard many around me say they'd buy an upgraded system , so there is an audience. Then we'll be 100% sure the game can run the best it can.

Joke?

I mean, they just spent a whole lotta money on that press conference telling everyone it comes out September 30th for PS4 / Xb1 so probably not ideal to suddenly change all that.

 

[Venom Fox]

Seriously like, how can people say it looks like a PS3 game? Yes the IQ is crazy but the character models and lighting alone stave off any PS3 game.

 

[Aters]

*calm yet janky walk from left side of the screen, turns stifly to face Aters*
*hand motions*

This is still a year out and that footage was from 2014.

Are we not talking about a tech demo of a game that has just entered the optimization phase? Also, you can replace that line with DA:I or Shadow of Mordor and it still holds.

And FF games aren't known for being graphical powerhouses?

FFXIII-2 and LRFFXIII are the only HD FFs SE made that are not just hallways. FFXIII-2's framerate is quite bad and the graphic overall is not as good as FFXIII, while LRFFXIII has this:

Notice that both FFXIII-2 and LRFFXIII are far more "open-world" than FFXIII. SE is not familiar with HD large scale AAA game development, and they are trying to catch up. Doing better than Bethesda and Bioware is a good start for them. CDPR and Ubisoft are the higher goals.

Also, for each generation, the first mainline FF game always looks a lot worse than the followers. FFVII looks significantly worse than FFVIII and FFIX. FFX is nowhere near FFXII graphically. If you think FFVII and FFX are graphic powerhouse, you are objectively wrong.

 

[DecoReturns]

It's funny, I grew up playing the SNES and N64/PS1 and thought those games looked great.

Now I see these games and think they look better, but reactions are mixed. I guess I'm glad I never cared for graphics cause I don't even know what the technical shortcomings are described in this thread.

Not criticizing anybody, just something I've noticed about myself. I want this game to succeed, keep the Final Fantasy series going strong, even if the gameplay is not for me anymore

 

[MilkBeard]

I'm asking myself the same question. The IQ is one of the worst i've seen this gen.

This quote scares me:



http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-free-demo-drops-today/1100-6436117/

While I don't feel that the game looks utterly terrible like some people in this thread, I do hope that was just a miscommunication.

It really would be a shame, as the artistic design of the game, and the lighting system are great. It would be let down by blurriness and rough frame pacing (on PS4).

Considering this is supposed to be their flagship title, I hope SE focuses on improving performance as much as possible before release.

 

[Hazmat]

I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that it looks pretty bad. I'm not really a stickler about anything, but this looks a lot worse than I expected.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

While I don't feel that the game looks utterly terrible like some people in this thread, I do hope that was just a miscommunication.

It really would be a shame, as the artistic design of the game, and the lighting system are great. It would be let down by blurriness and rough frame pacing (on PS4).

Considering this is supposed to be their flagship title, I hope SE focuses on improving performance as much as possible before release.

I 100% agree with this, the game doesn't look bad, all it needs is better IQ and AA. The animations and lighting is amazing.

 

[TGO]

I have faith, it's Square Enix afterall but I doubt the dithering on the hair is gonna go.
FFXIII was the same and that improved in the retail version.

 

[Piers]

Oh boy, that looks rough. They got a lot of work to do in 6 months.

This strikes me more as hardware limitations ultimately looming over the game, considering we're now seeing this occur not long before release.

 

[JuanLatino]

Seriously like, how can people say it looks like a PS3 game? Yes the IQ is crazy but the character models and lighting alone stave off any PS3 game.

the environment in those screens i saw do look like a ps3 game - atleasst the grass and ground. But sometimes then it looks again like next gen

 

[NoKisum]

Because they need to sell a lot of units? Also to get it out of the door this year?

Wait, is the PS4K not meant for this year? In that case, never mind then.

 

[Azalean]

I must be the only one who thinks the game looks fantastic.

 

[tuxfool]

Wait, is the PS4K not meant for this year? In that case, never mind then.

Even if they did launch it this year, it wouldn't have the install base to justify it.

 

[TGO]

I must be the only one who thinks the game looks fantastic.

The game does, it just needs some AA and a bit of polish

 

[NoKisum]

Even if they did launch it this year, it wouldn't have the install base to justify it.

Didn't a shitload of Square Enix fans buy the PS3 off the sole promise that FFv13 would be released on the system?

All Square Enix needs to do is say the word and their fans will follow. Is it shitty practice? Yes. Is it a practice that works? Yes.

 

[Plywood]

"You know Carbuncle, we really are the Final Fantasy."

You got me.

 

[szaromir]

Holy crap the screens in the OP look awful, character design is among the worst I've ever seen.

 

[tuxfool]

character design is among the worst I've ever seen.

Clearly you've been blind for most of your life. Congrats on having your eyesight restored.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

If the shit clears up when they are standing still, I'm guessing they are using some sort of frame blending

 

[tuxfool]

If the shit clears up when they are standing still, I'm guessing they are using some sort of frame blending

Yeah they are, but it doesn't always clear up. Whatever solution they're using cannot compensate for the lowered resolution.

 

[KupoNut]

First of all, he mentioned that as development proceeds towards the finished game, performance will be improved as much as possible. In the Platinum Demo developers introduced dynamic resolution with 1080p as the upper limit.

The demo was not intended to showcase the game’s frame rate, as it was more aimed to let players experience the world. Verifying how dynamic resolution worked was also the first priority as opposed to frame rate.

http://www.*****************/2016/04/02/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-demo-frame-rate-ps4xbox-one-differences-dlc-and-more/

 

[NoctisVsStar]

http://www.*****************/2016/04/02/final-fantasy-xv-director-addresses-demo-frame-rate-ps4xbox-one-differences-dlc-and-more/

If true based Tabata do your thing.

 

[jdstorm]

Now would be a great time for square to see if the Naughty Dog A Team would be happy to help them polish it up after Uncharted 4 releases

 

[RevenWolf]

Seriously like, how can people say it looks like a PS3 game? Yes the IQ is crazy but the character models and lighting alone stave off any PS3 game.

I'm not saying it does look like a PS3 game, but don't forget uncharted 3 and particularly last of us, obviously lower resolution but damn if they didn't push the envelope.

Heck I remember sites say that last of us proved that the last gen could have lasted a few more years lol.

 

[DeSolos]

Now would be a great time for square to see if the Naughty Dog A Team would be happy to help them polish it up after Uncharted 4 releases

There already is former Naughty Dog staff working on FFXV.

 

[Servbot24]

How can people forget Quiet's triangular toes?

Is this a real question?

 

[LordOcidax]

I'm asking myself the same question. The IQ is one of the worst i've seen this gen.

This quote scares me:



http://www.gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-15s-free-demo-drops-today/1100-6436117/

Final graphics and final combat.... and people are saying they are going to fix it.... Welp, FFXV is not for me anymore.

 

[TLZ]

No wonder I felt like I was looking at a ps3 game. Thank God they're fixing that for the final version. Final fantasy games always looked great and made the best of the console, so I was shocked about this one.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

For a specially made demo, that will be made using temporary or unfinished assets and won't be in the finished game, graphically it looks alright, it's not like they will worry about every texture looking perfect, when they are busy finishing the main game.

I mean this demo was knocked up to give us a taste of the gameplay, but the final game is still 6 months away, so there's plenty of time to improve everything.

 

[LordOcidax]

No wonder I felt like I was looking at a ps3 game. Thank God they're fixing that for the final version. Final fantasy games always looked great and made the best of the console, so I was shocked about this one.

I am confused now... what about this quote "The purpose of the demo, according to Square Enix, is to give players a look at the finished game's visuals, as well as introduce them to the final combat and magic systems" ?????

 

[kennyamr]

Bring back the Episode Duscae graphics and I'll be happy.