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[Alucrid]

Says the people who are being on purpose completely and utterly obtuse.

"Taking classified information off a Government server to a unsecured private server is totally A-OK, nobody would ever go to prison for this ever, go hill dog, she did nothing wrong"

You are being fucking morons. This would land any other worker in prison. You do realize taking classified information off a government server is a FEDERAL CRIME right?

why would that land you in jail though?

 

[excelsiorlef]

The USA with its two party system is so damn stupid.

Agreed somewhat

But that can't be changed, not by November anyway.

And probably not without amendments to the Constitution, so godspeed on that.

 

[MsVirion]

You do realize taking classified information off a government server is a FEDERAL CRIME right?

If I'm not mistaken, none of the emails she had were actually classified when she had them off the server. Would that still be a crime?

 

[Aaronrules380]

Isn't it possible that some of those 126k voters would have voted for Clinton and resulted in a similar ebding anyway? It's entirely possible that Clinton is just more popular than Sanders. She does well with older people who vote more and has a decent to good following in other large votingn demographics.

In all likelihood given her overwhelming numbers in NYC, she would've done better with those votes than without

 

[Frozenprince]

Alright then. I'll even gift the 126K voters removed from NY.

A) Sanders still loses the state.

B) What about the 3 million other votes Hillary has over him then?

 

[teruterubozu]

What generation are you in? Maybe you ought to recognize things are different. Your generation has failed this country, mine is fixing it.

Ugh. That's why you're supporting a 74 year old pre-Baby Boomer right?

 

[Psydonk]

I like the image of legal opinion being drafted by an angry Psyduck

Please tell me where you've ever had experience in this field?

Guess who has?

 

[metalslimer]

Says the people who are being on purpose completely and utterly obtuse.

"Taking classified information off a Government server to a unsecured private server is totally A-OK, nobody would ever go to prison for this ever, go hill dog, she did nothing wrong"

You are being fucking morons. This would land any other worker in prison. You do realize taking classified information off a government server is a FEDERAL CRIME right?

Well first of all none of the information she sent was originally classified. Should she have been using a more secure email? Yes, but this was common practice for years up until John Kerry.

Please tell me where you've ever had experience in this field?

Guess who has?

So explain exactly what Clinton has done that would land her in jail?

 

[Bronx-Man]

So how about that new Captain America movie, everybody? Can't wait to see Black Panther on the big screen for the first time ever, mixing it up with Spider-Man, and Ant-Man, all the great Marvel heroes. It's gonna be the feel-good family movie of the summer, I can't wait.

 

[friskykillface]

Ail 126K would have voted for him? the Clintons knew years in advance that Bernie would be a problem and rigged shit? Not even batman has that kind of preptime, Black Panther maybe

Black Panther for president B^)

 

[CharminUltra]

You are being fucking morons.

I'd edit this out (the same goes for your other post). I'm not sure if it works, but it's worth a try.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Okay. Cool. If you're fine with some posters telling others not to vote and they don't deserve to just because they don't agree with your views then I don't know what to say.

Considering you're advocating for anarchy, I can confidently say people like you should be suppressed - yes. You are openly admitting that you want things to get very bad for many people for no reason whatsoever, and even if you had a reason, you'd still be arguing for the detriment of civilization.

There is no defending that. Even people voting for Trump or Cruz believe that there is a benefit to their presidency, one that helps them. But you? You just don't give a shit about anything and advocate for destruction. You should not vote.

 

[Maxim726X]

He didn't win because all of the rigging. 126k+ people have their registration changed in New York's closed election. Bernie never under performs, so when he did in New York it shot off a bunch of red flags. We had a lawsuit to switch it to an open primary, but we lost that.

I'm young, but I've seen time and time again how the system is rigged to go against the will of the people. It all starts with recognizing these parties as private entities and then process of funding elections.

So... How many of the 3 million lead can we attribute to the 'rigged system'?

Or is it time to blame 'low information' voters again? That's my favorite.

 

[AlphaDump]

Says the people who are being on purpose completely and utterly obtuse.

"Taking classified information off a Government server to a unsecured private server is totally A-OK, nobody would ever go to prison for this ever, go hill dog, she did nothing wrong"

You are being fucking morons. This would land any other worker in prison. You do realize taking classified information off a government server is a FEDERAL CRIME right?

unsecured?

 

[Frozenprince]

So how about that new Captain America movie, everybody? Can't wait to see Black Panther on the big screen for the first time ever, mixing it up with Spider-Man, and Ant-Man, all the great Marvel heroes. It's gonna be the feel-good family movie of the summer, I can't wait.

Man I hear the airport scene is amazing. Can't wait.

 

[Boombloxer]

I really don't know. He has the momentum from the few delegates he won in Rhode Island. What is he thinking? Just because Clinton won her expected states doesn't mean that he should just quit! She won what she expected. On the other hand, Sanders unexpectedly won Rhode Island. He NEEDS to ride this out to California because if the trend continues, he's going to flip that state in his favor and win 90/10. Conceding now would be pointless when he knows very well that he has a better shot at clinching the nomination than Clinton. Don't let those god damned neoliberal shills get to you, Sanders. :/

I was hoping that the 90/10 victory margin for California would have given it away.

The 90/10 only works when you know how implausible it is. Valiant attempt though.

Bernie has had an easy time with the both Hillary and the media. He would have crumbled if he had as much pressure Hillary has had to deal with.

Also there isn't much to attack with his policies considering how unsubstantial they are. They are more like platitudes more than policies.

Never debate with a magician. His "policies" are basically magic beans.

 

[Fenderputty]

Well first of all none of the information she sent was originally classified. Should she have been using a more secure email? Yes, but this was common practice for years up until John Kerry.

DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE THOUGH RETARD? DO YOU?

 

[Dyson Industries]

You don't think I know that retard?

Notice how I said "RICH AND POWERFUL PERSON"

This is just another case as the rich getting a free card that would send anybody else to Jail in an instant.

Fucking hell have any of you ever seen the fucking paper work you have to sign to get access too this stuff? NO, that's right, guess who has, guess who's had to deal with them, guess who has worked with this before.

jesus fucking christ.

If you think this isn't a serious issue and she isn't just getting off because shes hillary clinton, like rice and whatever got off because they are rich and powerful people, you are crazy.

SWIM had co workers have to go to court for taking a fucking SMARTPHONE into the building.

#feelthebern

 

[Bronx-Man]

Psydonk fainted!

 

[hawk2025]

Psy-ay-ay!

Foiled again.

But seriously, let's go back to climate change. I would like to get a response on the Clintons' relationship with the subject. I've yet to have a single poster tackle that when confronted with her policy propositions and the foundation's history.

Well I am sure that absolutely no-one was surprised by that ban

Psyduck uses Emailgate confusion!

It's not very effective...

 

[The Technomancer]

Well I am sure that absolutely no-one was surprised by that ban

 

[VariantX]

Hillery is a liar but not Trump who just said he was faking being a racist to win votes......hmmmmmm

Which is telling when you're actively trying to get racists to vote for you and carving out a place for their garbage beliefs.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Please tell me where you've ever had experience in this field?

Guess who has?

I have plenty of political knowledge. It's why I don't ever post in political threads; they're a shitshow. But I just wanted to make clear: Hillary Clinton is not in any danger from this email server thing, no matter how much people like you want to make it an issue.

She didn't even do anything. Her staffers did. The sent redacted and truncated documents, some of which were classified after the fact, to a private server for the purposes of being informed on certain issues which, as SoS, is essential. It's not even clear she even knew about it. And as others in this thread have pointed out, people in her position in the past have done similar things without consequence, so the precedent is already established. Actual politicians have teams of people working under them that fill office buildings. It's not some kind of shady conspiracy theory.

I can't fucking wait until after the election. I hate Donald Trump and I hate Bernie Sanders and I really hate their supporters and what they represent. This obnoxious "anti-establishment" bullshit is one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen. If you can unironically say that you'd vote for Trump if you can't vote for Bernie I have no respect for you. None.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Please tell me where you've ever had experience in this field?

Guess who has?

I know you're banned now, but basically my entire professional experience is in that field. I'm a lawyer after all ;P

 

[Hindl]

On certain things certainly, not on others.

Coming off of the back of the financial collapse, that essentially crippled, rocked and fucked the entire world, and where fuck all has been done to actually change things or prevent them from happening again, Hillary on the Democratic side, is one of the people I have the least amount of faith to rectify the issues lending to it, and the economic corruption and fraud entailed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ulators-reject-5-banks-living-wills/82980038/

U.S. regulators told five of America's biggest banks Wednesday that they must beef up their existing "living wills" -- plans designed to ensure banks can survive bankruptcy without help from taxpayers -- by Oct. 1 or face more stringent regulatory sanctions.

Regulators gave the five banks until Oct. 1 to submit revised living wills. If any of the banks fail to provide adequate fixes to their living wills, regulators warned that they could levy additional sanctions, such as requiring higher capital requirements, more stringent limits on leverage and liquidity, as well as restrictions on growth and other firm activities.

The goal of the so-called living wills is for so-called "systemically important" banks to "prepare resolution plans ... for the rapid and orderly resolution in the event of material distress" without having to resort to a government bailout or sparking a financial crisis.

Uh huh

 

[Draper]

This thread got really, really fucking stupid.

Every US politics thread does.

And I gotta say *takes deep breath* it's usually at the hands of overly aggressive Hillary supporters.

 

[excelsiorlef]

He didn't win because all of the rigging. 126k+ people have their registration changed in New York's closed election. Bernie never under performs, so when he did in New York it shot off a bunch of red flags. We had a lawsuit to switch it to an open primary, but we lost that.

I'm young, but I've seen time and time again how the system is rigged to go against the will of the people. It all starts with recognizing these parties as private entities and then process of funding elections.

Clinton is destroying Sanders in the popular vote, she is the fucking will of the people.

 

[Big Baybee]

Clinton is destroying Sanders in the popular vote, she is the fucking will of the people.

Not the right people. Only his/her people count.

 

[Alucrid]

Every US politics thread does.

And I gotta say *takes deep breath* it's usually at the hands of overly aggressive Hillary supporters.

i don't think psydonk likes hillary

 

[Frozenprince]

I love it that me speaking the truth upsets so many people on here

Just stop. Seriously, I'm not even going to bother trying to "debate" with you.

Buy a poli sci textbook, get off twitter, research past elections and political trends and policy making.

Then get back to me.

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

i don't think psydonk likes hillary

Maybe he wanted her jailed just to have her all to himself?

 

[Draper]

i don't think psydonk likes hillary

It was stupid before he brought in his flavor of stupid.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I love it that me speaking the truth upsets so many people on here

so, like, where'd you speak the truth?

because the "120K people were disenfranchised" bit you typed, which that long groaning post is responding to, is at best incomplete (given that it encompasses Brooklyn where Clinton won 60-40) and at worst, blatantly wrong (given that you're assuming 100% turnout)

but whatever. you have six months to realize that no, it wasn't rigged at all, a majority of people eligible to vote in the democratic primary process just didn't like him enough

 

[CharminUltra]

i don't think psydonk likes hillary

Ah beat me to it.

 

[Frozenprince]

where'd you speak the truth

because the "120K people were disenfranchised" bit is at best incomplete (given that it encompasses Brooklyn where Clinton won 60-40) and at worst, blatantly wrong

Even if you accept it as fact that those 120 thousand people would have all voted for Bernie.

He still loses NY, and is still down over 3M votes.

 

[Geg]

This is a quality thread.

This is somewhat on-topic since people started talking about the Clintons' work on environmental issues, but since it's looking more and more like Hillary will be president, let me ask people with more knowledge on her positions what exactly her stance on fracking is? I've heard she's in favor of it which is one of the few things I've heard of hers that I'm not really in favor of so I'm wondering if there's something more specific/nuanced that I'm missing and if it's just typical election hyperbole

 

[eBay Huckster]

This is a quality thread.

This is somewhat on-topic since people started talking about the Clintons' work on environmental issues, but since it's looking more and more like Hillary will be president, let me ask people with more knowledge on her positions what exactly her stance on fracking is? I've heard she's in favor of it which is one of the few things I've heard of hers that I'm not really in favor of so I'm wondering if there's something more specific/nuanced that I'm missing and if it's just typical election hyperbole

basically, her stance is in favor of fracking as a 'bridging' source of energy, highly regulated, while renewables continue to improve and while coal continues to be drawn down

her mindset's basically "fracking is ultimately less bad than coal in the short run in terms of emissions and other environmental impacts"

 

[The Technomancer]

This is a quality thread.

This is somewhat on-topic since people started talking about the Clintons' work on environmental issues, but since it's looking more and more like Hillary will be president, let me ask people with more knowledge on her positions what exactly her stance on fracking is? I've heard she's in favor of it which is one of the few things I've heard of hers that I'm not really in favor of so I'm wondering if there's something more specific/nuanced that I'm missing and if it's just typical election hyperbole

Its complicated. She's less hard on fracking than I'd like, which isn't great, but she also isn't gung ho "yes lets frack it all!"

Hillary Clinton, though, needed more time to outline three conditions in a more nuanced answer on fracking. She's against it "when any locality or any state is against it," "when the release of methane or contamination of water is present," and "unless we can require that anybody who fracks has to tell us exactly what chemicals they are using."

Until those conditions are met, "we've got to regulate everything that is currently underway, and we have to have a system in place that prevents further fracking."

"By the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place," she added.

"By the time we get through all of my conditions, I do not think there will be many places in America where fracking will continue to take place."
Clinton offered qualified support for fracking well before Sanders even registered in the presidential race. Addressing the National Clean Energy Summit in 2014, Clinton said, "we have to face head-on the legitimate, pressing environmental concerns about some new extraction practices and their impacts on local water, soil, and air supplies. Methane leaks in the production and transportation of natural gas are particularly troubling. So it's crucial that we put in place smart regulations and enforce them, including deciding not to drill when the risks are too high."

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/03/hillary-clinton-debate-fracking

 

[afternoon delight]

this is the most system wars-ish thread i've ever seen on neogaf.

Are you pro-skub or anti-skub?

jks aside, the outcome of the discussion does mean quite a lot. I've heard nightmares featuring the Zodiac Killer Ted Cruz have risen 200%.

 

[Boombloxer]

I have plenty of political knowledge. It's why I don't ever post in political threads; they're a shitshow. But I just wanted to make clear: Hillary Clinton is not in any danger from this email server thing, no matter how much people like you want to make it an issue.

She didn't even do anything. Her staffers did. The sent redacted and truncated documents, some of which were classified after the fact, to a private server for the purposes of being informed on certain issues which, as SoS, is essential. It's not even clear she even knew about it. And as others in this thread have pointed out, people in her position in the past have done similar things without consequence, so the precedent is already established. Actually politicians have teams of people working under them that fill office buildings. It's not some kind of shady conspiracy theory.

I can't fucking wait until after the election. I hate Donald Trump and I hate Bernie Sanders and I really hate their supporters and what they represent. This obnoxious "anti-establishment" bullshit is one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen. If you can unironically say that you'd vote for Trump if you can't vote for Bernie I have no respect for you. None.

Hear, hear. Sadly, that HuffPo op-ed that ran this morning will only continue to push the email garbage instead a candidate's actual plan.

Clinton is destroying Sanders in the popular vote, she is the fucking will of the people.

Yes, but all 3M of those votes are people in cities, or from the south, or the north, or women, or other people that don't count, so they're really tied because of momentum.

Reading some of the FB posts or shit on reddit sometimes is olympic level mental gymnastics.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

Are you pro-skub or anti-skub?

jks aside, the outcome of the discussion does mean quite a lot. I've heard nightmares featuring the Zodiac Killer have risen 200%.

Trump is definitely going to beat the Zodiac Killer in the Republican primary though, those nightmares are totally unfounded.

 

[afternoon delight]

Trump is definitely going to beat the Zodiac Killer in the Republican primary though, those nightmares are totally unfounded.

I don't know... I'm not sure they'll nominate him.

I wish Politico wasn't so unwieldy to navigate, they're worth scanning sometimes. Wuerker picks great cartoons.

 

[nib95]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ulators-reject-5-banks-living-wills/82980038/

Uh huh

These are not things that would necessarily prevent the same shit from happening, they just require that there be more adequate fallout for when they do. All that'd happen if this were actually properly implemented, is that banks would have a greater reserve to ensure they didn't go bankrupt, not that they didn't commit or profit from fraud, skewing the market, covering up or masking the volatility of certain bonds, CMBS's, CLO's, BoT's (sort of the new name for CDO's) etc. In other words, they continue doing similar shit and getting massively rich off of it, it leads to another market collapse or contraction, they cover themselves from it and are better shielded, everyone else suffers, but then when things essentially refresh, they profit from the cycle all over again.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Its complicated. She's less hard on fracking than I'd like, which isn't great, but she also isn't gung ho "yes lets frack it all!"



http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/03/hillary-clinton-debate-fracking

An intelligent and thoughtful position, no surprise.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

Good.

He needs to give every dime he's raised down ticket now.

Don't campaigns usually incur significant debts, particularly national campaigns? How much is actually available?

Wasn't Clinton in debt over 10million years afterward?

 

[Slayven]

Don't campaigns usually incur significant debts, particularly national campaigns? How much is actually available?

Wasn't Clinton in debt over 10million years afterward?

Clinton didn't pay off her debt from her 2008 run until the end of 2013. But she loaned her campaign a lot of money, i don't Bernie has done that

 

[GillianSeed79]

As a liberal, I can't wait to be able to vote for either a centrist, right of center candidate or an extreme far right candidate for the presidency in the November general election . It's so amazing that we live in a country that offers such a wide selection of competing political candidates who represent a myriad of political views like my own and countless others. Yay for Democracy.

 

[Fedelias]

As a liberal, I can't wait to be able to vote for either a centrist, right of center candidate or an extreme far right candidate for the presidency in the November general election . It's so amazing that we live in a country that offers such a wide selection of competing political candidates who represent a myriad of political views like my own and countless others. Yay for Democracy.

How is HRC a centrist?

 

[JesseEwiak]

As a liberal, I can't wait to be able to vote for either a centrist, right of center candidate or an extreme far right candidate for the presidency in the November general election . It's so amazing that we live in a country that offers such a wide selection of competing political candidates who represent a myriad of political views like my own and countless others. Yay for Democracy.

Hillary Clinton's DW-Nominate score is basically the same as Hubert Humphrey's was. Clinton is a hawkish socially liberal woman w/ center-left leanings on economics.

How is HRC a centrist?

Because her husband had to run the country in a far more conservative time with a Republican Congress.

 

[crazyprac]

DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE THOUGH RETARD? DO YOU?

Well...