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Politico: Sanders campaign begins laying off staff
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Dash_Riprock
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When has a successful campaign ever laid of staff?
excelsiorlef
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No other campaign has run under the power of retro-active momentum and Bernie math though.
Seriously who looks at Tad Devine's resume and says "Yeah this man can get me into the white house"
excelsiorlef
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Canada just had nearly 10 years of a hardcore conservative.
Tranqueris
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Gonna be really interested in finding out two things when the numbers eventually come out. How much he'll manage to raise after losing yesterday and how much Bernie actually has left, especially since he keeps outspending Hillary like crazy.
In New York he spent more money then Hillery and the GOP knuckle heads combined.
What is your point? Wouldn't you agree that most people, Canadian and otherwise agreed that Harper was hardcore Conservative? I'm talking about how political leanings are assessed or defined, not that previously left leaning countries can't be right wing lol, in fact I'm implying the complete opposite of what you're trying to infer there! We ought to adhere to a broader understanding of any such political compass, rather than a US centric one, lest you diminish the acceptance that America does overall lean towards the right, and leave less space for when more socialist and left leaning politics do actually come in to play.
A man with no other options.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Is experience that important? I would find a brilliant new person with adept understanding of the system and hire them over those two.
Were there no good governor or senate campaign people he could choose from either?
They were talking about how his campaign was a lot bigger than Hillary's on npr
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/27/47593...ders-campaign-to-lay-off-hundreds-of-staffers
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/27/47593...ders-campaign-to-lay-off-hundreds-of-staffers
There is always a competent night manager at Arby's
Clinton's headman might believe in UFOs but he gets the work done
Bubblicious
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He is definitely a Democratic Campaign "Kiss of Death"! He couldn't even get Al Gore into the White House and Gore won lol!
I also recently found out he was the mastermind behind the Superdelegates the Sanders campaign loves to hate!
The discussion of the email server issue makes my head hurt. I've only ever seen a few posters get it anywhere near correct. I work in IT/Security. I'm not an expert in the field, but I'm very familiar with security policies and procedures... but it doesn't take an expert to comprehend the issues here. Pysdonk had some of the details wrong. Other posters don't understand the issue, and/or hand-waved it away due to having drank the Kool-Aid, or whatever.
Hillary Clinton will not be indicted for her use of a private email server. However, this does not mean that there was not wrongdoing.
There was a loophole in department policy, the intent of which was to allow the Secretary of State or their staff to use personal email for official business during urgent circumstances. Clinton used this loophole to conduct all or most of her SoS communications, including those involving state secrets, through a private email server, for the purposes of avoiding the Freedom of Information Act. What she did was a violation of at least the spirit of department policy, from what I've read, and certainly far outside of best practices. It was absolutely terrible judgment from a national security standpoint. In the vaaast majority of organizations, Clinton's actions would have been grounds for immediate termination, perhaps more.
From what I've seen, the general consensus in our industry is "this was crazy, how did this slip through the cracks." The State Department was aware that wrongdoing had been committed. From an article yesterday:
Is this a partisan issue? Yes. But again, there was clear wrongdoing. Clinton showed remarkably poor judgement to order, or even to sign off, on this email server.
Who owned the email server that Hillary used for official State Department communications?
The "Rice and Powell did it too" defense is probably the second-worst defense of the email scandal. You do realize that Rice and Powell used official email to conduct business as SoS, right? You need to also realize that Clinton exclusively used her private email server, or near-enough to exclusively.
Hillary Clinton will not be indicted for her use of a private email server. However, this does not mean that there was not wrongdoing.
There was a loophole in department policy, the intent of which was to allow the Secretary of State or their staff to use personal email for official business during urgent circumstances. Clinton used this loophole to conduct all or most of her SoS communications, including those involving state secrets, through a private email server, for the purposes of avoiding the Freedom of Information Act. What she did was a violation of at least the spirit of department policy, from what I've read, and certainly far outside of best practices. It was absolutely terrible judgment from a national security standpoint. In the vaaast majority of organizations, Clinton's actions would have been grounds for immediate termination, perhaps more.
From what I've seen, the general consensus in our industry is "this was crazy, how did this slip through the cracks." The State Department was aware that wrongdoing had been committed. From an article yesterday:
Is this a partisan issue? Yes. But again, there was clear wrongdoing. Clinton showed remarkably poor judgement to order, or even to sign off, on this email server.
Who owned the email server that Hillary used for official State Department communications?
The "Rice and Powell did it too" defense is probably the second-worst defense of the email scandal. You do realize that Rice and Powell used official email to conduct business as SoS, right? You need to also realize that Clinton exclusively used her private email server, or near-enough to exclusively.
So the obvious answer to let them keep implementing half measures at a snail's pace?
You don't think a single figure head can combat climate change... But you want there to be a figure head to combat climate change?
If not A then not A. Because I have a distaste for incremental legislation doesn't automatically mean I want Trump to win. How the hell did you get to that point?
Ironic being called the accelerationist, when the current pace of our climate curbing practices will get us to a point of ruin faster.
Bel Marduk
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I worked on Obama's primary campaign in 2008 and we were all stumped by her hubris but we would never have done anything like post a cartoon of people ejaculating all over Hillary Clinton
Its just common decency
Of course I live in a state where "voting my conscience" is rarely afforded me -- and I will mark in the box for Hillary Clinton in November -- but Ill hate myself for it
Its just common decency
Of course I live in a state where "voting my conscience" is rarely afforded me -- and I will mark in the box for Hillary Clinton in November -- but Ill hate myself for it
And yet the campaign acts ignorant of how they work.
What matters is that she won't be indicted, and not because of a cover up. She won't be indicted because like you said it was mere spirit of the policy violation. I've seen some internal rules that say the decision of whether or not to punish would come down to her superiors in the cabinet. So, if the indictment wasn't going to happen anyways, what giant political hay can be gleaned here besides "she really should have been more secure and informed"?
eBay Huckster
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he doesn't think a single figurehead can combat climate change when that figurehead couldn't do shit to get people sympathetic to their agenda elected downballot, but someone actually trying to put together a coalition of 218+ representatives and 50+ senators to combat climate change would be nice
Yet she supported the TPP. Which allows corporations to sue nations when they aren't allowed to pollute as they see fit. There's that incrementalism.
I also want to add this article, which is illuminating, on the email scandal:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
Clinton wasn't the only person at fault here. There's blame to go around.
It demonstrates extremely poor judgement for someone to make these kinds of decisions, yet run for Commander-in-chief. Sanders (and now Trump) say, "Hillary's poor judgement makes her unqualified to be president." I don't agree with that, but it's concerning. The stakes were very high and she blew it, intentionally, "for convenience" (her words).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...301168-e162-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html
Clinton wasn't the only person at fault here. There's blame to go around.
It demonstrates extremely poor judgement for someone to make these kinds of decisions, yet run for Commander-in-chief. Sanders (and now Trump) say, "Hillary's poor judgement makes her unqualified to be president." I don't agree with that, but it's concerning. The stakes were very high and she blew it, intentionally, "for convenience" (her words).
eBay Huckster
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Feel free to address the point rather than going for a painfully obvious and incorrect deflection.
I pointed out the Clintons were there doing *real work* 10 years ago, that it is a significant and central part of her presidency platform, and you deflected to bullshit.
You know what Sanders' presidential policy differs from Clinton on? An ever-so-slightly stronger stance on fracking. By, as usual, ignoring the nuance of our energy situation and assuming that we can transition to renewable sources without even using Nuclear power -- a complete fantasy.
What the Clinton Foundation has actually done, rather than engage in cheap talk?
- Planted millions of trees
- Helped transition developing economies from Diesel to Solar
- Retrofitted thousands of homes to renewable energy in Arkansas in a pilot program
- Developed carbon credit programs in Indonesia
- Funded millions in additional research in climate-positive policies
It's all in their public, easily accessed anual reports.
The evidence you have? Shitty controversies on the impact of the TPP -- something that is only supported by Greenpeace (who, by the way, is anti-GMO: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/campaigns/agriculture/problem/genetic-engineering/) and a few other environmental activist groups, based on their own understanding that the TPP *may* help corporations sue countries for environment-positive policies.
I'll stick to the evidence and the people that have put their money and time into studying and impacting climate change.
AntraxSuicide
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I know the guy that ran the campaign that primaried Cantor. Dude's like 24. Weaver and Devine are out-of-touch failures.
Exactly. Bernie's revolution was as selfish as I've ever seen. He didn't even really bother helping other candidates until he got blasted for not doing it, and I still don't believe he cares to do it at all. He'll run back to lily-white Vermont and continue to blame those damn low-information Confederates for not understanding his teachings *wags finger*.
What Sanders and Trump say are irrelevant to me. I've worked in the DoD, and can say that plenty of people do dumb shit for convenience. And it's not a line of attack any other candidate can really use since "poor judgement" can get levied much more easily at her opponents.
And anyone running with Trump quotes as a serious argument should consider their position. Far too many people on the left posting shit from Breitbart and Glenn Beck this season.
Edit: That last part is a general comment, not aimed at you! It just went under my last quoted reply.
At least the revolution will continue...
https://twitter.com/mn4bernie/status/725426919873736704
Hold on let's slow down a second there...
https://twitter.com/mn4bernie/status/725426919873736704
Hold on let's slow down a second there...
It's not a defence of her actions, it's a rebuke of the ridiculous conspiratorial notion that the only thing keeping Clinton out of jail is because she's Clinton.
Aaronology
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The one thing I love more than the damn image popping up once again (after being debunked so many times on this forum and in these threads) is your smug condescension on top of it. PCO also has Barack Obama as right as Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani and John McCain. Good job showing us how "learned up on politics" you are, Mecha.
Learn up on some politics.
None of them, including Hillary used email --private or otherwise-- to conduct business as SoS. I believe there was one (1) official correspondence with another diplomat in Hillary's email
What they all used personal email for (to the extent that Rice used email at all) was their internal office communications. In fact, the entire senior GWB administration did to the tune of millions of (Deleted) emails
So yes, they did the same thing. If you ask Powell now he says well he didn't use it to discuss classified matters because he used the classified terminal for that -- the exact same answer you get from Hillary. and just like Hillary they found some should-have-been-but-werent classified emails were sent to him and Rice's staffers
Hellwarden
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Boy did it.
Also, fuck, I get annoyed when people say they're not gonna vote. I don't care who you vote for, go vote. Do a write-in for captain underpants if you want.
Just vote dammit.
when you post in political threads i always imagine its your avatar speaking
Aaron Strife
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Primary two of the most liberal senators in the country because they didn't support the guy you liked in a primary.
Yeah that's smart.
excelsiorlef
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I mean Clinton would likely be a Liberal in Canada, same with Obama.
And the US has things leftier than other countries Australia still doesn't have same-sex marriage for example and their abortion laws are iffy compared to some of the laws in more liberal states in the US. There is no universal right and left scale.
SolicitorPirate
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Which is kinda crazy since same sex marriage is more broadly supported in Australia than in the US
AntraxSuicide
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Nah, she'd be lucky to not get spit on by Trudeau!
I'm, quite frankly, tired of the Sanders campaign. I'm not holding anybody's hands, and I'm not coddling anyone. Do your independent research, check your damn sources, and then vote. Maybe that means you agree with Hillary, or Bernie, or Trump, or whatever, but I'm really tired of this idiotic idea that people need to be lured back in with sweet words. It's politics, not a date. Vote in a way that you feel comfortable. If that vote is a "fuck the poors, they didn't like Sanders!" vote, then so be it, but I'm tired of people not admitting it.
It's what TYT basically did last night. Ranting and raving about how people should lose their gov't services so they'd appreciate Sanders more. Like, this is the damn straw-man that the GOP has used for years to argue against gov't programs. And people are talking about handing Trump the election just so we'll all wish we had Bernie in comparison.
No. The Sanders campaign should do more to state that they're running a positive campaign about serious issues. That they're running for the future of the country. That they're not making bank on the backs of broke college kids and anarchists. That last part really needs more emphasis.
And I haven't commented on it, but hoooooly shit did he use "right-sizing" in this announcement?
Yeah or look at gun control in Australia. A huge Federal gun buyback was implemented by the right wing political party for public safety (though it was and still is supported by left wing parties). These things can often be non-binary.
ArkhamFantasy
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I don't see how, I touched upon the reasons why in this earlier post.
nib95 said:
I think most would agree that Justin Trudeau is liberal and left wing, and on pretty much the vast majority of policies he is far left of Hillary, especially on foreign policy. Even on taxes where things look similar at first glance, they are actually still much higher compared to what Hillary is proposing, if you add in the provincial taxes comparative to US equivalents, and also when you consider where the different brackets line up.
Abinash117
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What makes Hillary far more right wing ? Is it in a few issues or a vast amount?
Frozenprince
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He would have been better off burning that money in barrels on every corner in Brooklyn. At least then it might have gotten some practical use.
Step 1:
Assign every issue a number between (-1) and (1), with (-1) being the furthest left and (1) the furthest right.
Step 2:
Calculate a weighted average of all issues using weights "w_i" for each issue. This will be the candidate's political position.
Step 3:
Keep changing the values of the weights "w_i" in Step 2 and/or the relative values in Step 1 until you get your desired results and win an internet argument!
I'd say a few key differences that are huge in terms overall importance and political skew. So whilst they converge or correlate on most policies, there are major contrasts in certain key areas that actually still make a huge amount of difference, Eg healthcare, foreign policy, taxation, big business and economics, degree of support for Israel and so on.
I'd actually argue there were greater politically opposed campaign differences between Hillary and Bernie, than say Labour (left wing) and Conservative (right wing) campaigns during the last UK election.
Frozenprince
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And vote in your local fucking elections. Bitch constantly every 4 years about the country yet can't take an hour one day every year or two to go vote in down ticket elections.
Box of Kittens
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To give just one example, a candidate who doesn't propose single payer healthcare in the US wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it in a country where it already exists. This is one of the huge problems with trying to map one country's political spectrum onto another's.
Frozenprince
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It also needs to be state that the US as a single entity has a population equivalent to basically all of Europe.
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