Ah, I forgot Rhythm Heaven Megamix. I didn't include #FE cause it's from Atlus, right? I was referring to games developed by Nintendo or their subsidiaries.
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Nintendo @ E3 - No Direct, Just Zelda Treehouse Stream
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Ah, I forgot Rhythm Heaven Megamix. I didn't include #FE cause it's from Atlus, right? I was referring to games developed by Nintendo or their subsidiaries.
Kikorin
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NX is march 2017, would be nosense to announce games and console so much early, there would be a lot of hype on june, but all people would start complain some months after like always happen when games are announced way to early.
Is a lot better that they wil have a reveal direct at the end of the year where they explain console, games, ecc... And the release date will be only 3 months after the presentation.
Obviously thay would have more than Zelda to show at the E3, simply would not be a good idea to show all that early, same thing happened during the E3 direct 2 yrs ago, where Iwata had to show a lot of Wii U games because of investors, but some on them still are not released (Zelda).
Is a lot better that they wil have a reveal direct at the end of the year where they explain console, games, ecc... And the release date will be only 3 months after the presentation.
Obviously thay would have more than Zelda to show at the E3, simply would not be a good idea to show all that early, same thing happened during the E3 direct 2 yrs ago, where Iwata had to show a lot of Wii U games because of investors, but some on them still are not released (Zelda).
Was just a bad joke from me, sorry. Still baffled about the latest decisions from Nintendo. Despite what many think about E3 if you slowly back away of one of the largest video game events something goes horrible wrong behind your closed doors imo
Dynasty8
Member
It's really bizarre. Their whole mentality as a company is bizarre. I've simply given up caring.
When your primary business consists of games, consoles AND handhelds.... and you come to E3 with just one showing, it's no wonder why many of us want them to just go third party.
Oh, then in that case you can cross out Mario and Sonic as well, cause Sega does those.
The two Dragon Quest games, Monster Hunter Generations, Ace Attorney 6 and Kirby are all coming as well.
3DS is pretty stacked - and bizarrely most of it is from third parties. Wii U on the other hand...
I don't think people are really complaining about the lack of NX games and such.
The real problem here is the overwhelming focus on a single game when they still have a few more titles coming out for their current platforms that are being completely ignored.
No NX games at E3? fine! But at least promote Tokyo Mirage, Mario and Sonic at the Olympics, Paper Mario and all the remaining 3DS catalogue.
Zelda is obviously a big deal for Nintendo and Zelda fans but the way they're handling all this is just wrong.
Maybe they want to emphasize that their focus for this year lies on the mobile market with new entries in the AC and FE series. Mobile games traditionally haven't been the focus of E3.
This is one of the worse excuses I ever read. Nobody will complain before a launch. This is not the case for games announced on an existing hardware and delayed forever, everybody understands what a console launch is even if it's 9 months away. Come on!
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
I can see your point, but why bother showing Zelda then, if it's at least ten months away? It's not like it needs an E3 push for it to sell? The other titles, however, could do with the exposure, and are out sooner.
It seems like Nintendo were chastened by recent criticisms of poor line ups, and decided to not play the game, instead choosing to show only one title so they can claim the restricted line up was focussed or "immersion".
As for NX, I don't think people expected much info, but a name and a very short teaser reel would suffice in the next couple of months. It's possibly true that hype will be maximised if they leave it towards the end of the year, but conversely, there will be those who'll expect to see gameplay footage if they leave it until closer to launch. Otherwise, the doubts over whether it'll hit March 2017 will grow.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Yikes. This sounds bad. The point of these things is to have some diversity.
They should at the very least announce when to expect the next direct? :/
EDIT: Well i guess its nice they are putting respek on the Zelda name
They should at the very least announce when to expect the next direct? :/
EDIT: Well i guess its nice they are putting respek on the Zelda name
MarkMclovin
Member
Really?
Does the BBC or Sky News or any other news outlet follow Pewdiepie? Because they sure do report on anything substantial that comes out of E3.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
hmmm I guess it could be an All in on the final Wii U game, but even then this is the world stage and you would want to look forward to the next step especially with all the buzz already happening. Is there any good articles on their strategy or possible gameplan?
"Vita has more games than Nintendo at E3"
Send me my paycheck Polygon.
"Vita has more games than Nintendo at E3"
Send me my paycheck Polygon.
Joelstinton14
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I doubt this will happen , but after Reggie's spiel , it be nice to hear him say Please join us on This date @ Gamescom (No that can't happen)/This venue for the unveiling of the NX. Actually i can't see them doing that, E3 organisers would be pretty mad.
I lie in the middle of all this. I agree that E3 is a massive opportunity for Nintendo. It is the most watched/second most watched (Gamescom is just as big, perhaps bigger now) gaming event of the year. It history certainly makes it the biggest. To not have anything other than Zelda is really disappointing.
I can understand after the shit show that was last year why they have made this decision. But they still got a lot of announced games that aren't going to get shown.
If they felt they didn't have enough stuff to show at E3, and wanted to avoid the same anger as last year, surely the best solution would have been to have a direct now, or next week, two weeks before E3, what ever, and just simply say we hope you look forward to playing these games at E3, or please watch our extended tree house coverage with these games.
But at the same time E3 needs to change. They made some good moves by allowing in some consumers for the first time. Not much but some. Activision, EA, Disney etc are giving this a.. not a miss, no doubt some of their games will be there in some form (on stage too). But they are still missing it and preferring their own shows where they can allow fan access to the new games.
Then we have traditional E3 game announcements being done a month before E3. We have had a FF15 show, COD, Persona, and today Battlefield 5 announcements. A lot of the spectacle and mystery has been lost. All things you would have expected to be shown for the first time at E3.
I'm not sure what has happened with the NX E3 plans, whether something has gone wrong, or that they simply want to show this on their own terms. Perhaps at their own event, or at Gamescom where 350,000 people will get hands on with it if they decided to do so. And perhaps that is what they want to avoid, a repeat of the Wii U press mauling they received.
I lie in the middle of all this. I agree that E3 is a massive opportunity for Nintendo. It is the most watched/second most watched (Gamescom is just as big, perhaps bigger now) gaming event of the year. It history certainly makes it the biggest. To not have anything other than Zelda is really disappointing.
I can understand after the shit show that was last year why they have made this decision. But they still got a lot of announced games that aren't going to get shown.
If they felt they didn't have enough stuff to show at E3, and wanted to avoid the same anger as last year, surely the best solution would have been to have a direct now, or next week, two weeks before E3, what ever, and just simply say we hope you look forward to playing these games at E3, or please watch our extended tree house coverage with these games.
But at the same time E3 needs to change. They made some good moves by allowing in some consumers for the first time. Not much but some. Activision, EA, Disney etc are giving this a.. not a miss, no doubt some of their games will be there in some form (on stage too). But they are still missing it and preferring their own shows where they can allow fan access to the new games.
Then we have traditional E3 game announcements being done a month before E3. We have had a FF15 show, COD, Persona, and today Battlefield 5 announcements. A lot of the spectacle and mystery has been lost. All things you would have expected to be shown for the first time at E3.
I'm not sure what has happened with the NX E3 plans, whether something has gone wrong, or that they simply want to show this on their own terms. Perhaps at their own event, or at Gamescom where 350,000 people will get hands on with it if they decided to do so. And perhaps that is what they want to avoid, a repeat of the Wii U press mauling they received.
Chill out. They announced a JP only CUldcept 3DS Direct.
DXB-KNIGHT
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All indications were that NX was going to launch this year in some format until something went wrong. We don't know what went wrong and I really doubt it's just games as Kimi said, I don't know if one day we will be able to find out time will tell.
Aside from that Nintendo could've used E3 to push some of theirs hands this year why the focus on a 2017 game is beyond me.
Aside from that Nintendo could've used E3 to push some of theirs hands this year why the focus on a 2017 game is beyond me.
JetSetRadio
Banned
If I'm buying this on NX, I just want to see a trailer and a couple minutes of gameplay really.
Nintendo never dropped TGS though
Joelstinton14
Member
The would certainly pick up on the news. I very much doubt them unveiling the console like that, but i could see them allowing the likes of Pewdiepie access to NX games as a way to get NX exposure.
No matter how Nintendo unveils it, the news coverage will be there. They are still traditionally the biggest known gaming brand. BBC, Sky news etc all reported on the fact the NX will be released next year and that has just come from a press release.
I think people put to much stock into press/e3/non e3 relationship. It is a sure good way to show off stuff, but any event later in the year would get just as much attention.
Don't know if it's necessarily a bad sign either. What it tells me is that Nintendo doesn't want to show off the NX and NX games at E3, and that Nintendo has already pushed all of its console development away from the Wii U to the NX and don't have anymore games for the Wii U.
Okay but what about the upcoming Wii U and 3DS software? They're just going out of their way to not advertise those games at one of the biggest gaming conventions/events of the year.
This is just a bad decision on many levels and I do not have to wait to see what they do at E3 to make that claim.
forknknife
Banned
Exactly this plus Zelda presentation will be severely hindered by the fact that everyone will just be thinking to themselves "cool, nice game, but I don't want the Wii U version anyway. How does the NX version look? How does it play? Will it have second screen functionality too?"
Is going to be terrible for Nintendo, this Zelda presentation is going to raise more questions than give any answers that fans are actually asking for. And fans most definitely don't want to have the game spoiled for them.
Oh man, this E3 is going to be a PR hell for Nintendo...
A Link to the Past
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So now the question is whether they basically cancelled their E3 presentation because they think that doing nothing is better than what they did last year
But yeah, I think they decided not to do a presentation because there was nothing to really show.
1. Rhythm Heaven Megamix - Already released in Japan, likely would just get a trailer and a release date and nothing more
2. Metroid Prime: Federation Forces - Has been shown a lot, is likely out very soon, and would just get negative reception.
3. Paper Mario: Color Splash - Negative reception
4. Dragon Quest VII and VIII - Not much to say/show really
5. Tokyo Mirage Session #FE - Coming out in a cool minute
6. NX stuff - too far away to really show (at least for them)
7. Pikmin 4 - Probably too early in development (if it's in development yet at all) to show off
It makes me wonder if Nintendo wasn't planning on E3 to be the NX reveal, but ran into disastrous complications that pushed it back to a point where they weren't comfortable in promoting the NX as of yet. If not, then it comes off as them kind of behaving in a two-faced manner by pushing the Wii U and 3DS as platforms they will continue to support and yet not really doing much to create games for either.
But yeah, I think they decided not to do a presentation because there was nothing to really show.
1. Rhythm Heaven Megamix - Already released in Japan, likely would just get a trailer and a release date and nothing more
2. Metroid Prime: Federation Forces - Has been shown a lot, is likely out very soon, and would just get negative reception.
3. Paper Mario: Color Splash - Negative reception
4. Dragon Quest VII and VIII - Not much to say/show really
5. Tokyo Mirage Session #FE - Coming out in a cool minute
6. NX stuff - too far away to really show (at least for them)
7. Pikmin 4 - Probably too early in development (if it's in development yet at all) to show off
It makes me wonder if Nintendo wasn't planning on E3 to be the NX reveal, but ran into disastrous complications that pushed it back to a point where they weren't comfortable in promoting the NX as of yet. If not, then it comes off as them kind of behaving in a two-faced manner by pushing the Wii U and 3DS as platforms they will continue to support and yet not really doing much to create games for either.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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I doubt that. E3 is the gaming event of the year. Just look at how GAF is during this time of season. IIRC Evilore or one of the mods said during E3 season GAF is at its peak usership (?). Megatons. Leaks. Hypes. Server Overloads. This is probably the best place to get the most attention in the public gamers eye especially the casual ones.
That said it is a launch of a new console which would definitely get some attention.
Still, E3 is the biggest gaming event of the year. I can understand if you don't/can't announce much, but they should bring something more. Why not promote 3DS games this E3? E3 is not just for home-consoles.
Ah really? I thought Nintendo did for some reason. I think I read somewhere about how this is the year with the smallest amount of Nintendo developed games in decades or something.
They can still advertise games that aren't at E3. Like through directs, or television ads, or previews, or game store promotions or whatever.
It's how most people find out about games they want to play.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Yeah they should have added Pokemon in there not just for promotion but for their huge booth too
forknknife
Banned
Seriously, if Nintendo does not unveil the NX with enough time before the holidays in order to convince people to save their money and wait for the NX instead then.... then they're just out of their minds.
My bet is that Nintendo will make a big event (not a direct) somewhere in September/October, probably they might want to wait for the ps4k to be announced so that they can refine the focus of their pitch.
fabricated backlash
Member
At this point I firmly believe that this is it for WiiU. There is nothing coming that we don't know about yet. Nintendos forecast makes it abundantly clear that they are severing the rotten limb and I would even advocate cutting the WiiU Version of Zelda in favor of the NX.
But why the fuck would they not promote their 3DS Lineup at E3? Contrary to the WiiU the 3DS is at least still viable.
Boggles the mind.
To me it seems they've simply given up and have accepted defeat.
But why the fuck would they not promote their 3DS Lineup at E3? Contrary to the WiiU the 3DS is at least still viable.
Boggles the mind.
To me it seems they've simply given up and have accepted defeat.
Joelstinton14
Member
I think that is the case. One re-curring issue they have is that their hands on experience with games is always better received than when they show off footage of games. Their games don't really sell themselves that well to trailers, or Nintendo aren't good at making trailers of their games. I'm not sure which is the right answer for that question.
Almost every new Wii U release suffered from initial WTF is this, only for opinion to be changed when people gets hand on with it.
E3 as a show doesn't allow consumer hands on and Nintendo have made great strides to get what they show at E3 to the public through those best buy events during E3 and outside it too. Treehouse is a an event designed to replicate that user hands on experience by being more in-depth. There Directs are full of (to me at least) interesting developer commentary which isn't really suited to E3.
Bold Prediction time. They will unveil it at Gamescom (and maybe TGS). You can have a conference. Hundreds of thousands of video games fans will be able to get hands on with it. It is in a market that is more successful for them than america (i think). It is roughly 7/8 months before expected release.
But yeah it sucks that the other announced stuff won't get shown. I don't understand it either. E3 is still a good event for publicity.
A Link to the Past
Banned
It makes me think that the 3DS is indeed being replaced with the NX alongside the Wii U. I just cannot imagine that Nintendo would not have an E3 presentation unless their offerings were basically nonexistent. I think that with maybe one or two exceptions, 2016 and 2017 will only see games that we already know about from Nintendo for either platform.
Sorry pal, you must be joking. If I'm not mistaken PS4+XboxOne announcement and launch in the same year was not normal. Usually consoles were announced at least one year before release.
And games...? Many games nowadays are announced 2 years before release and nobody complains.
This is a very very weak argument. You're buying Nintendo's BS.No, I get the opposite impression from all the (lacking) news about NX: there are no games ready yet or only a few games already playable/far in development for NX launch window at this moment. There is no plausible reason even in a multiple dimension scenario that explains why they're not showing/teasing NX launch games at E3.
Just to give you an example of Nintendo apologist's logic:
The Shitshow that was E3 direct -
Nintendo defense force: "hold on, they've said that they're only going to show games that will be released in 2015. It makes no sense to show games that'll be released later."
Voice of God Ratio: "True, and they weren't even lying, because there are no games in 2016. Muahahahahahah."
Keep on the good fight, but I'll become a religious person if NX is going to be a success.
Joelstinton14
Member
Sony had 4 or 5 conferences last year with games evenly spread out across all of them. They revealed the console before E3. They showed of VR outside E3. You not seen the hype threads for Nintendo directs
Still, E3 is a good publicity and i'm surprised too that they are only showing zelda.Sony had 4 or 5 conferences last year with games evenly spread out across all of them. They revealed the console before E3. They showed of VR outside E3. You not seen the hype threads for Nintendo directs
They were probably thinking about dropping E3 altogether this year, but decided to do a Zelda thing just to throw a bone to the fans.
Opus Angelorum
Member
The NX will be in a bad place if the 'must buy' title is same one people played 6 months prior.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This is a bad look especially when NX is coming out next year.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
Member
I wont be watching the Zelda treehouse stream
I will watch a trailer and thats it
why spoil the game?
and showing off the inferior Wii U version while there is a NX version on the way
I will watch a trailer and thats it
why spoil the game?
and showing off the inferior Wii U version while there is a NX version on the way
Oh yes, this is my biggest issue with this situation right now.
So for me, there's no Nintendo at E3. I'll wait for treehouse Zelda hype threads on Gaf and will try to avoid spoilers.
They said last year that the next Pikmin is already almost finished. They most likely switched the platform to NX and that will be a launch title.
Orniletter
Banned
This is the point where, for once, Nintendo can pull the third-party (the Sony and MS) card.
They have a lot of 3DS third-party support or localizations of third party games left.
The Wii U looks bad, yes, but if we just ignore every third party game, the Vita, PS4 and X1 are shambling Zombies too.
To be honest, i think the WiiU's lineup is mostly barren even when we include third party. Also, having checked the upcoming 3DS games. It's a decent number of stuff but not much at all IMO. True, third party games make the bulk of games on all consoles, but on XB1/PS4 it's an insane number.
Orniletter
Banned
Dragon Quest VII, Dragon Quest VIII, Rhythm Heaven Mega Mix, Ace Attorney 6, Monster Hunter Generations, Kirby Planet Robot, 7th Dragon 3, SMT 4-2, Pokemon Sun and Moon, River City Tokyo Rumble, Fire Emblem Fates (about 3 FEs worth of content)
for the next 7 months on top of what we already got this year + ,according to Kimishima, more to come, is more than decent for me.
But that comes down to taste. I guess.
Wii U is bad no matter how you dice it. 3DS and Vita are also of a dying breed.
There's the possibility that next year we'll lose 3 platforms and only gain 1.
Do you mean Zelda? Because it's launching simultaneously on the Wii U and NX.
Chittagong
Gold Member
I'm going to be a contrarian and say that I think Nintendo is playing a bad hand extremely well here. It's clear NX was supposed to be the focus in E3, but somehow they weren't ready and had to delay.
They had the option of having an extremely sad lineup of hardware and software on the stand, sort of GameCube / GBA E3 2003 situation.
By excluding Paper Mario, #FE, Olympics and the few other B tiers they had left, they just might manage to elevate Zelda to a legendary, Super Mario 64 like status, building a ton of hype for it ahead of NX launch. They are clearly signalling "this is a huge deal, please be excited".
The only downside in this strategy is that they are unveiling the inferior version first, but if that's already good enough for them to be this confident, people will be blown away when they reveal the NX version.
I believe this is the smartest play they can do in a bad situation.
They had the option of having an extremely sad lineup of hardware and software on the stand, sort of GameCube / GBA E3 2003 situation.
By excluding Paper Mario, #FE, Olympics and the few other B tiers they had left, they just might manage to elevate Zelda to a legendary, Super Mario 64 like status, building a ton of hype for it ahead of NX launch. They are clearly signalling "this is a huge deal, please be excited".
The only downside in this strategy is that they are unveiling the inferior version first, but if that's already good enough for them to be this confident, people will be blown away when they reveal the NX version.
I believe this is the smartest play they can do in a bad situation.
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