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Ashhong

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LOL ok buddy. You didn't mention Jackman at all which is why it came across strange and unrelated but ok. And I've never been "out to get the DCEU" nor am I being defensive but ok buddy.

You mentioned WS so I thought it was obvious honestly. You are being pretty quick to jump down my throat over one comment. MCU gets plenty of hate here that's much worse than what I said. Move on

Anyway, I'm excited because I should be getting BVS at my work this month (I work for an in flight avionics entertainment company) and I'm hoping they give us the Ultimate Edition

edit: spoke too soon. We got it in and it's only 2:30. There's a message in the beginning though that says it has been edited for time, which means WB is REALLY pushing the Ultimate Cut as the main version, and this theatrical version is basically an edited version. Hopefully some other airline gets the UC..
 

guek

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You mentioned WS so I thought it was obvious honestly. You are being pretty quick to jump down my throat over one comment. MCU gets plenty of hate here that's much worse than what I said. Move on

Dude, your summary of what you said isn't even what you said. It was confusing because there was no context, just a random "mcu music sucks!" when we weren't talking about mcu music specifically. I didn't jump down your throat, I expressed confusion and then you said I'm "out to get" the DCEU. You're the second one to say that in as many days though and I'm not sure why other than being less than enthused about Zack Snyder while expressing excitement over Suicide Squad. Heaven forbid I like both Marvel and DC.
 

Ashhong

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Dude, your summary of what you said isn't even what you said. It was confusing because there was no context, just a random "mcu music sucks!" when we weren't talking about mcu music specifically. I didn't jump down your throat, I expressed confusion and then you said I'm "out to get" the DCEU. You're the second one to say that in as many days though and I'm not sure why other than being less than enthused about Zack Snyder while expressing excitement over Suicide Squad. Heaven forbid I like both Marvel and DC.

Expressed confusion is not the same as accusing me of having a big axe to grind after I made one comment. I specifically said I could not remember a single theme from MCU, directly after you saying that he made a good score for WS. I honestly didn't think it would be that hard to understand. You have a good knack for twisting words to fit your narrative though.
 

Effect

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You mentioned WS so I thought it was obvious honestly. You are being pretty quick to jump down my throat over one comment. MCU gets plenty of hate here that's much worse than what I said. Move on

Anyway, I'm excited because I should be getting BVS at my work this month (I work for an in flight avionics entertainment company) and I'm hoping they give us the Ultimate Edition

edit: spoke too soon. We got it in and it's only 2:30. There's a message in the beginning though that says it has been edited for time, which means WB is REALLY pushing the Ultimate Cut as the main version, and this theatrical version is basically an edited version. Hopefully some other airline gets the UC..

This makes me really curious if WB will be pushing to have critics review the film UE version of the film. So that the latest reviews that people come across is of the Ultimate Edition if they're confident it will be received better.
 

guek

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Expressed confusion is not the same as accusing me of having a big axe to grind after I made one comment. I specifically said I could not remember a single theme from MCU, directly after you saying that he made a good score for WS. I honestly didn't think it would be that hard to understand. You have a good knack for twisting words to fit your narrative though.

What's my "narrative?" That your comment was confusing and came across as unusually flippant? Just chalk it up to a misunderstanding then if that wasn't your a intention. There's no need to escalate things by being so antagonistic.
 

Ashhong

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This makes me really curious if WB will be pushing to have critics review the film UE version of the film. So that the latest reviews that people come across is of the Ultimate Edition if they're confident it will be received better.

Has this ever happened before?

Rewatched some of my favorite parts and I still am really impressed by the power of WW's entrance. Her coming down from the sky to stop the beam from Doomsday was so damn good. The fight overall is a bit of a letdown though, since DD is just a big monster and there's no hand to hand combat. A few cool combos from Supes and WW working together but not enough.

I really really like how agile they made Batman. Not just in the warehouse scene, but against DD he's jumping and leaping around just like in the cartoons. Love that. It's unrealistic but exactly what I wanted.

What's my "narrative?" That your comment was confusing and came across as unusually flippant? Just chalk it up to a misunderstanding then if that wasn't your a intention. There's no need to escalate things by being so antagonistic.

That I am some kind of MCU troll. My comment was perfectly in line with the conversation at the time and I don't appreciate you twisting my words otherwise and accusing me of being the antagonistic one. That's all I'm going to say about this.
 

antovolk

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You mentioned WS so I thought it was obvious honestly. You are being pretty quick to jump down my throat over one comment. MCU gets plenty of hate here that's much worse than what I said. Move on

Anyway, I'm excited because I should be getting BVS at my work this month (I work for an in flight avionics entertainment company) and I'm hoping they give us the Ultimate Edition

edit: spoke too soon. We got it in and it's only 2:30. There's a message in the beginning though that says it has been edited for time, which means WB is REALLY pushing the Ultimate Cut as the main version, and this theatrical version is basically an edited version. Hopefully some other airline gets the UC..

Doesn't this message usually show up almost by default in front of inflight versions of films?

I know hotels got the theatrical version in as well. But yeah, WB including the UC on all Blu-rays released domestically is a sign indeed they're treating it as the main version. Hard to tell what's going on overseas at the moment - no confirmation for UK yet, a bunch of European countries have it as a separate thing exclusive to the steelbook and/or 3D packages....and of course iTunes only has the theatrical cut available to order, except for the US which doesn't have the film available at all, yet.
 

Ashhong

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Doesn't this message usually show up almost by default in front of inflight versions of films?

I know hotels got the theatrical version in as well. But yeah, WB including the UC on all Blu-rays released domestically is a sign indeed they're treating it as the main version. Hard to tell what's going on overseas at the moment - no confirmation for UK yet, a bunch of European countries have it as a separate thing exclusive to the steelbook and/or 3D packages....and of course iTunes only has the theatrical cut available to order, except for the US which doesn't have the film available at all, yet.

The usual message is "This movie has been edited for content" and is usually swear words/graphic content etc.

I've never seen "edited for time" message like this. Or at least don't remember one. I've seen too many to accurately remember everything at this point
 

guek

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That I am some kind of MCU troll. My comment was perfectly in line with the conversation at the time and I don't appreciate you twisting my words otherwise and accusing me of being the antagonistic one. That's all I'm going to say about this.

I never called you a troll. Chill, it was a misunderstanding.

Now now, you kids play nice or I'll make you watch Catwoman.

You're not my real dad, you're just a motherf*cker!
 

Ahasverus

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I hope BvS will become the next Kingdom of Heaven, whenever you hear that name you hear about how different and good was its true version, nobody ever discusses the theatrical version anymore, ever. If I was a suit at WB I'd be pushing the UC to hell and back, if not for money, for goodwill.

I'd also try to make damn sure the cut is good, like, damn good.
 
I hope BvS will become the next Kingdom of Heaven, whenever you hear that name you hear about how different and good was its true version, nobody ever discusses the theatrical version anymore, ever. If I was a suit at WB I'd be pushing the UC to hell and back, if not for money, but for goodwill.

ehhh i doubt that. snyder isn't capable of a quality disparity that huge like ridley scott is. i think dawn of the dead was like his peak movie.
 

Ashhong

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I never called you a troll. Chill, it was a misunderstanding.



You're not my real dad, you're just a motherf*cker!

We cool.

I hope BvS will become the next Kingdom of Heaven, whenever you hear that name you hear about how different and good was its true version, nobody ever discusses the theatrical version anymore, ever. If I was a suit at WB I'd be pushing the UC to hell and back, if not for money, but for goodwill.

But what if the UC still sucks? I think it would take more than just extended scenes. They really need to change the entire cut. Move scenes around, take some out, etc. It doesn't sound like that's what we are getting

While watching the opening intro for like the 5th time today, I remembered people complaining about Thomas Wayne raising a fist at Chill. Was there a character that people didn't complain about?


Man this is like the most uninformative article ever. Basically a "no comment" reply
 
But what if the UC still sucks? I think it would take more than just extended scenes. They really need to change the entire cut. Move scenes around, take some out, etc. It doesn't sound like that's what we are getting

If (big giant IF) certain rumors are true, that's what's happening as well.
 

Ahasverus

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While watching the opening intro for like the 5th time today, I remembered people complaining about Thomas Wayne raising a fist at Chill. Was there a character that people didn't complain about?
That's on TDKR
But what if the UC still sucks? I think it would take more than just extended scenes. They really need to change the entire cut. Move scenes around, take some out, etc. It doesn't sound like that's what we are getting
That's what the rumors are saying. Specially excited about the order shuffle.
 

Ashhong

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If (big giant IF) certain rumors are true, that's what's happening as well.

There's rumors of the UC being that big of a shakeup? Source? Would love to read it. I hope this is the case. They need to completely move around the order of scenes. Like the one where they find the kryptonite. It just comes in out of nowhere and then out without a word.

That's on TDKR

That's what the rumors are saying. Specially excited about the order shuffle.

Oh, well then that's even more annoying. Ah well. Still a beautiful sequence
 

guek

Banned
I wish we knew how much WB cared about the UC and what the process is for its edit. Is it simply that longer cut Snyder had initially? Are they putting a ton of energy to make sure it's as good as possible? If so, are they overseeing Snyder in the editing room or does he have carte blanche? In the long run, I'm not convinced it'll matter much for the DCEU but it sure would be nice if it we're great.
 

Ashhong

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Johns favorite thing in the world is writing comics. If he can't write a single ongoing right now, he's neck deep into the movie side fo sure.

I don't follow the comics much but I thought that this Rebirth thing is his baby or something. Why do you say he can't write a single ongoing?
 
I don't follow the comics much but I thought that this Rebirth thing is his baby or something. Why do you say he can't write a single ongoing?

He hasn't been announced for any books in solicitation, and then there's this.

He did write Rebirth though and I'm sure he's orchestrating some of the bigger arcs to come. He did promise seven seas not too long ago as well, so we'll see. I'd love to see him continue his Shazam story at the least.
 

Ashhong

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He hasn't been announced for any books in solicitation, and then there's this.

He did write Rebirth though and I'm sure he's orchestrating some of the bigger arcs to come. He did promise seven seas not too long ago as well, so we'll see. I'd love to see him continue his Shazam story at the least.

Oh I didn't realize the difference between "ongoing" and what he's doing with Rebirth. Makes sense now.
 

IconGrist

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I wish we knew how much WB cared about the UC and what the process is for its edit. Is it simply that longer cut Snyder had initially? Are they putting a ton of energy to make sure it's as good as possible? If so, are they overseeing Snyder in the editing room or does he have carte blanche? In the long run, I'm not convinced it'll matter much for the DCEU but it sure would be nice if it we're great.

The UC is done. Been done since it got rated.
 
Looks like Suicide Squad stuff is starting to pop up. Here's some t-shirts:

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Effect

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I think it's a case of scenes not being moved around for the Ultimate Edition but that they were reordered when the film was cut down for the theater version because things were removed. That makes more sense to me. The UE has always come off as the version of the film that was intended to be shown before WB was worried about running time and number of screenings. I find it hard to believe that Snyder had a cut of the that was 3 hours long and rated before the official release and that wasn't intended to be put in theaters, minus the bits that pushed the R rating. I still think WB signed off on that cut of the film until someone got cold feet.
 

Ashhong

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I think it's a case of scenes not being moved around for the Ultimate Edition but that they were reordered when the film was cut down for the theater version because things were removed. That makes more sense to me. The UE has always come off as the version of the film that was intended to be shown before WB was worried about running time and number of screenings. I find it hard to believe that Snyder had a cut of the that was 3 hours long and rated before the official release and that wasn't intended to be put in theaters, minus the bits that pushed the R rating. I still think WB signed off on that cut of the film until someone got cold feet.

I'm no film editor, but in my head I imagine that when shortening your movie, you just need to cut stuff out of scenes, and not necessarily re-order anything. Trim the fat so to speak
 
I'm no film editor, but in my head I imagine that when shortening your movie, you just need to cut stuff out of scenes, and not necessarily re-order anything. Trim the fat so to speak
I remember a interview made by a couple director who said that rough cuts of their movie always exceed 4 hours or so. That they have to re-arrange scenes, trim scenes out and such. Sometimes scenes are re-arrange to make the story flow better or pick up the pace and such.
 

Ashhong

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I remember a interview made by a couple director who said that rough cuts of their movie always exceed 4 hours or so. That they have to re-arrange scenes, trim scenes out and such. Sometimes scenes are re-arrange to make the story flow better or pick up the pace and such.

Makes sense too. I am setting myself up for a huge letdown with this UC, I can feel it
 

antovolk

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From what I gather from interviews etc - the UC is pretty much the "complete" version of the film, essentially it was scripted and material was filmed to in the end be a 3hr film. It's a similar case as Watchmen - Snyder presented this cut at the first friends and family and test screenings (and it tested positively unlike the theatrical cut), then the decision was made to cut it down to 2:30 because of number of screenings, IMAX limitations and so on, and Snyder worked on this cut almost in parallel with the theatrical, once that version was done he worked to finish the VFX and score for the UC, which he did around early March actually. What really shows the film was more or less intended to be this long - most rough assembly cuts of 2:20-2:30 long films are around 3 hours long - according to an interview with the editor David Brenner, MoS' was 3:30. The Russos also said CW's was 2:40 actually. BvS' on the other hand was 4 and a half hours, and he admits there was a whole lot more in the script than the theatrical cut. The 182min UC is essentially that 4:30 assembly cut but with the fat trimmed out in the way you'd expect for a film usually. It's just for the theatrical they then had to go in and take storylines and connective tissue, stuff like establishing shots etc out and re order things like Luthor's introduction as well, which was originally supposed to happen later on.

It's not even actually rated R in Germany lol so don't expect much in terms of violence etc. Apparently the full Africa scene is what pushes it to an R in the US.
 

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I don't think there's any doubt the movie was scripted, storyboarded and intended to be the original 3 hour cut. Definitely seems to be the case that it left like that for a while.

The only real question is what the exact reasoning was for the decision to trim it down close to release (in Snyders own words). I definitely think it's not a coincidence that it seems Clark/Superman seems to have had the most substantial footage removed while there were rumors that the studio wanted the movie to lean heavier on Batman than Superman.
 
From what I gather from interviews etc - the UC is pretty much the "complete" version of the film, essentially it was scripted and material was filmed to in the end be a 3hr film. It's a similar case as Watchmen - Snyder presented this cut at the first friends and family and test screenings (and it tested positively unlike the theatrical cut), then the decision was made to cut it down to 2:30 because of number of screenings, IMAX limitations and so on, and Snyder worked on this cut almost in parallel with the theatrical, once that version was done he worked to finish the VFX and score for the UC, which he did around early March actually. What really shows the film was more or less intended to be this long - most rough assembly cuts of 2:20-2:30 long films are around 3 hours long - according to an interview with the editor David Brenner, MoS' was 3:30. The Russos also said CW's was 2:40 actually. BvS' on the other hand was 4 and a half hours, and he admits there was a whole lot more in the script than the theatrical cut. The 182min UC is essentially that 4:30 assembly cut but with the fat trimmed out in the way you'd expect for a film usually. It's just for the theatrical they then had to go in and take storylines and connective tissue, stuff like establishing shots etc out and re order things like Luthor's introduction as well, which was originally supposed to happen later on.

It's not even actually rated R in Germany lol so don't expect much in terms of violence etc. Apparently the full Africa scene is what pushes it to an R in the US.

4 and a half hours... remember when there were rumors of BvS being a two parter with part one releasing Nov 2015 and part 2 six months later.
 

antovolk

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The only real question is what the exact reasoning was for the decision to trim it down close to release (in Snyders own words). I definitely think it's not a coincidence that it seems Clark/Superman seems to have had the most substantial footage removed while there were rumors that the studio wanted the movie to lean heavier on Batman than Superman.

The 'official' reasoning from Snyder (in interviews) is cold feet from him & the studio at a late stage, he "didn't want to come across as like James Cameron" to force the studio to release the 3 hour one. In reality though - I heard elsewhere that there were some executives really concerned 3 hours would be far too long for families, and of course there's the big elephant in the room which is IMAX (which Snyder mentioned as one of the primary reasons for Watchmen getting a similar treatment of having to be cut down with a complete director's cut on first Blu-ray release) - 70mm IMAX projector platters can't hold over 2h30 of film normally, Cameron and Nolan pushed it to 2h45 with their films. Mind you, technically it's not as big a deal as it was back in Watchmen's day (back then loads of IMAXes still relied on film and I can imagine like 100+ 70mm prints were made, while only 12 were for BvS) but when you've got several of your major flagship theatres still relying on film & not yet upgraded to laser, it'd feel kinda stupid to film in 70mm and not release in the format. If 70mm IMAX was all gone by now, with all theatres digital or laser, then we maybe would've had the 3 hour cut released originally.

Yeah, that's precisely what that rumour from last Sept meant it seems. Time wise it makes total sense as well as that seems to be around the time Snyder was working to cut the film down to 2 and a half hours.

4 and a half hours... remember when there were rumors of BvS being a two parter with part one releasing Nov 2015 and part 2 six months later.

That was nothing more than a fan joke I believe, they didn't even get the font right, jeez lol
 

Ashhong

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From what I gather from interviews etc - the UC is pretty much the "complete" version of the film, essentially it was scripted and material was filmed to in the end be a 3hr film. It's a similar case as Watchmen - Snyder presented this cut at the first friends and family and test screenings (and it tested positively unlike the theatrical cut), then the decision was made to cut it down to 2:30 because of number of screenings, IMAX limitations and so on, and Snyder worked on this cut almost in parallel with the theatrical, once that version was done he worked to finish the VFX and score for the UC, which he did around early March actually. What really shows the film was more or less intended to be this long - most rough assembly cuts of 2:20-2:30 long films are around 3 hours long - according to an interview with the editor David Brenner, MoS' was 3:30. The Russos also said CW's was 2:40 actually. BvS' on the other hand was 4 and a half hours, and he admits there was a whole lot more in the script than the theatrical cut. The 182min UC is essentially that 4:30 assembly cut but with the fat trimmed out in the way you'd expect for a film usually. It's just for the theatrical they then had to go in and take storylines and connective tissue, stuff like establishing shots etc out and re order things like Luthor's introduction as well, which was originally supposed to happen later on.

It's not even actually rated R in Germany lol so don't expect much in terms of violence etc. Apparently the full Africa scene is what pushes it to an R in the US.

So we think that the UC will have the original order like Luthor's late introduction? Interesting...
 

guek

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Meanwhile, at Hot Topic HQ
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I like some of those shirts but unfortunately not my style. I love graphic tees but usually only wear simple ones with a logo and no writing.
 
Thor 2, Winter Soldier, 1st Avengers end theme and IM3 have great themes but they dont blare like the majority of Snyders films and the end up being forgettable.

Zimmer is the GOAT though but his spider-man theme was beyond trash.
 

MisterHero

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WHAT

Damn it now I want Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Assembly Cut

I want 4.5 hours of Batman and Superman tension damn it
 

Magwik

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WHAT

Damn it now I want Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Assembly Cut

I want 4.5 hours of Batman and Superman tension damn it

That's too much movie. Lawrence of Arabia is my favorite movie of all time and it's like the only exception for a film to be that long.
 

MisterHero

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That's too much movie. Lawrence of Arabia is my favorite movie of all time and it's like the only exception for a film to be that long.
I watched the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions! I can handle it!

lol but BvS doesn't have as many fights, or as many characters. It has a lot of plot threads involving Clark, Bruce, and maybe Lex. I really want to see what else could possibly be there. 2 hours missing is nuts!
 

guek

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I watched the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions! I can handle it!

lol but BvS doesn't have as many fights, or as many characters. It has a lot of plot threads involving Clark, Bruce, and maybe Lex. I really want to see what else could possibly be there. 2 hours missing is nuts!

It's probably stuff you wouldn't want anyway though. No one complains about trimming off gibblets when carving a turkey!
 

ryan299

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More fallout. Charles Roven is being removed as producer from certain DC movies. THR

Charles Roven, the veteran producer who has worked on every DC Comics movie at Warner Bros. since 2005’s Batman Begins, is no longer be producing certain DC movies, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

Talks are underway to have Roven — who was a producer on Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, as well as the recently completed Suicide Squad and next year's Wonder Woman — segue to a different role going forward, likely that of an executive producer who is not involved in day-to-day production. However, he potentially could continue to be a producer on some sequels to the movies he's currently producing.
 
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