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[sturgboski]

Trump literally pats himself on the back for 50 deaths today and this is the hill you're going to die on?

Sometimes I feel people don't think. Yes Bernie, don't support her. Let Trump win because you were not the nominee. Set the progressive movement back decades and for at least a generation or two by having Trump win, bring in a Republican Congress and APPOINT JUDGES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

This isn't really the place for it but improving K-12 education would help more people than free college.

No Child Left Behind Act seems to have been poorly received from my understanding of it, despite its good intentions. From what I've seen of the standardized testing methodology, it sounds like a massive regressive step backwards.


To my knowledge, Sanders, Obama and Hillary already voted for it.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Sanders keeps demonstrating that he is a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone but himself even during this very tough time. The biggest terrorist attack on the most marginalised minority group happened last night for God's sake.

Maybe try reading the rest of the thread before posting stuff like this?

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

No Child Left Behind Act seems to have been poorly received from my understanding of it, despite its good intentions. From what I've seen of the standardized testing methodology, it sounds like a massive regressive step backwards.


To my knowledge, Sanders, Obama and Hillary already voted for it.

I think No Child Left Behind should be repealed.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

I think No Child Left Behind should be repealed.

I know little of it outside of what people here in GAF have talked about it, and this piece on Last Week Tonight; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6lyURyVz7k

 

[BinaryPork2737]

This would basically the timing of Hillary's 2008 drop-out, except she didn't have any particular issues that she wanted Obama to champion. The final primary was June 3, 2008 (the same day Obama secured enough superdelegate endorsements to be the presumptive nominee); she did not concede that night ("there will be absolutely no decisions tonight"). Two days later she informed supporters she was planning to move to endorse Obama. The campaign continued for two more days, at which point she endorsed Obama and ended her campaign. If you do the superdelegate timing, Bernie would be a week later than Hillary endorsing Obama; if you do the primary/caucus timing, he'd be on basically the same timing.

The timing is why people shouldn't be jumping to conclusions about what Sanders will do just yet. There's a line between speculation and coming to a definite conclusion about something like this, and far too many people are ready to insult and curse at Sanders ("he's an out of touch old man"), or Clinton for that matter ("don't do it Bernie, she's just a shill"), preemptively before anything conclusive happens.

 

[Stumpokapow]

He is dividing the Democrats.

citation-needed

Sanders keeps demonstrating that he is a selfish asshole who doesn't care about anyone but himself even during this very tough time. The biggest terrorist attack on the most marginalised minority group happened last night for God's sake.

In the scenario you're setting up, this is what happens:

Face the Nation: What is the timing and plan with regards to winding down your campaign and endorsing Senator Clinton?

Bernie: The biggest terrorist attack on the most marginalised minority group happened last night for G-d's sake! It is irresponsible for you to even be conducting this interview. I think government's number one priority should be researching time travel technology so I could time travel back and not be on this show. *rips off mic*

*Sanders' communication director enters* THIS INTERVIEW WILL NEVER AIR. We should be talking about Orlando!

It is true that the most important story of the day and the thing we're all thinking and talking about is the Orlando attack. I spent the morning reflecting on my own past experiences with terrorism. My hometown was where all the planes that were in the air on the morning of 9/11 got grounded. I remember volunteering for a week after, helping stranded passengers, families, feeding people. I remember meeting all sorts of people from around the world, including an Israeli stand-up comic who did impressions of political figures. I remember the explosions in Kabul that night, wondering if war had started, wondering how big the war would be, wondering if attacks would keep coming... then I thought of the fact that my wife had just quit working at Canada's parliament hill when a terrorist attack happened there in 2014. That attack was strange, an Islamic self-radicalized nut with a gun, but also someone who appeared to be paranoid-schizophrenic, heard voices, and whose agenda was muddled and nonsensical. And I thought of a spree shooting situation that happened a few weeks ago in my city and how some friends were stuck locked in a room during a police lockdown. I've also been reading about the Santa Monica incident. So I've been reflecting a lot about how terrorism and violence has intersected with my own life, and about how it continues to threaten LBGT folk in America and abroad.

In the mean time, I also looked at leaked E3 footage and worked on some research I've been doing for a while (on gender and politics--so yes, I am spending my time working on other political matters) and had a bowl of cereal and came to this thread to discuss what Bernie said and how people here were reacting. It's not because I'm a selfish pig and I don't care, it's because I will not subject myself to hyperbolic grief policing, and I recognize that even though tragedy preoccupies the public consciousness rightly, people can think about other things on this day. My car payment is due, and it's not disrespectful for me to pay it.

 

[Good Job Bob]

My problem isn't even the timing.

I understand it's an interview. My issue is his answer. He won't endorse Hillary, and will potentially risk some of his supporters going to Trump because...Wall St? We have all of this at stake and he wants her to pass his purity test?

For real?

It isn't a "purity test". These are the issues he has been speaking out about his entire campaign, of course he wants to make sure that there is at least some moderate commitment on Clinton's behalf to tackle these issues before he openly endorses her. For him to do anything less would be a betrayal of his millions of supporters who care very deeply about these issues.

 

[Futureman]

Seems completely reasonable and I think you are removed from reality if you think he should just blindly endorse her if it goes against his beliefs.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

If you're going to blame Bernie for Democrat rift, as I did earlier, you should also be fully capable of putting more of the blame on Schultz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tz-not-bernie-sanders-for-democrats-division/

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

There are flying leaps of logic here, and it's not clear what you're proposing (use a tragedy to torpedo an interview) is in any way better optics than just doing the interview and answering the question when asked. Bernie is a Senator. I'm not questioning your patriotism because you're in this thread instead of volunteering at a blood bank or whatever right now. People can grieve about Orlando, discuss and reflect, and seek political leadership on the issues surrounding terrorism, domestic radicalization, hate crimes, gun violence, without stopping everything else in their life. It's OK for someone to also talk about taxes, reproductive rights, card check, skiing, pickling, mustaches, or whatever else on the day of a tragedy. It's not weird that someone who runs a cancer charity would still talk about cancer on the day of a charity. If the interview had asked him "What do you think of Orlando?" and he said "Who cares the real violence is poverty and the millionaires and billionaires?", that would be callous and worthy of scorn, but inventing a set of hoops that he needs to jump through to grieve sufficiently is bizarre.

The case for Bernie Is Not Doing The Right Thing Why Is He Not Discussing Orlando kinda comes off like:

But we have two politicians, going off on the wrong tangent today.

Donald asked for congrats, Bernie talked about wall street. Sure, things happen you can't foresee. I can give him credit; he's run on a platform of not being like ordinary politicians. But it's not his first time he's seemed tone deaf. This is the one issue that pops up repeatedly. He ignores other issues and pivots back to wall street. It hurts his message. Like how Howard Dean got buried for being excited. Sorry, politics is picky and many politicians perform well at timing.

I think anger can bubble over based on your view of Bernie's concession. Frustration with the primary or Donald Trump can easily pour over. And it's not that hard to imagine Hillary being 'fake' and contrived and most politicians influencing the timing of news, even if they grant an interview.

These are billion dollar campaigns. Delaying an interview for a day, at least, isn't hard to imagine. Killing an interview isn't hard to imagine.

 

[nOoblet16]

It isn't a "purity test". These are the issues he has been speaking out about his entire campaign, of course he wants to make sure that there is at least some moderate commitment on Clinton's behalf to tackle these issues before he openly endorses her. For him to do anything less would be a betrayal of his millions of supporters who care very deeply about these issues.

Exactly, if he doesn't make sure and endorses her just because he has to accept defeat, then that would speak volume about his integrity.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

It isn't a "purity test". These are the issues he has been speaking out about his entire campaign, of course he wants to make sure that there is at least some moderate commitment on Clinton's behalf to tackle these issues before he openly endorses her. For him to do anything less would be a betrayal of his millions of supporters who care very deeply about these issues.

That's fair. But the wording of "refuses to endorse until she comes against Wall St" just doesn't sit well with me. I feel like that's just an oversimplification of his platform, and it feels like he's almost caricaturing himself in nearly Tim Burton esque levels. Hence why it feels like a purity test to me.

 

[nOoblet16]

That's fair. But the wording of "refuses to endorse until she comes against Wall St" just doesn't sit well with me. I feel like that's just an oversimplification of his platform, and it feels like he's almost caricaturing himself in nearly Tim Burton esque levels.

He didn't actually use those words now did he? It's the article.
I'd have thought you'd have noticed that if you were that peculiar about the wording.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Bernie talked about wall street. Sure, things happen you can't foresee. I can give him credit; he's run on a platform of not being like ordinary politicians. But it's not his first time he's seemed tone deaf. This is the one issue that pops up repeatedly. He ignores other issues and pivots back to wall street. It hurts his message. Like how Howard Dean got buried for being excited. Sorry, politics is picky and many politicians perform well at timing.

Bernie as the 10th panelist or whatever on a show that had already substantially talked about the issue responded to a direct question about his campaign by answering about his campaign. This was not an interview specifically with Bernie in primetime, this is the normal Sunday news shows, which air every Sunday, have a ton of guests every Sunday, and which discuss a variety of topics no matter what the top story is. One possibility is that the people reacting negatively are deeply disgusted with 100% of all news coverage ever and spend their lives devoted to righting the wrong of talking about the wrong things at the wrong time, or another possibility is that anger at Bernie is being projected in a "bitch eating the crackers" kind of way.

It's also baffling and bizarre to argue that the Sanders is culpable for not spiking the interview while not criticizing the media for asking the question to begin with. Let us analyze Face the Nation.

Here's the Face the Nation front page:
1. What's next for law enforcement officials in Orlando mass shooting?
2. Highlights from John Dickerson's first year with Face the Nation
3. Gunman kills 50 people at Orlando night club
4. Dickerson on Clinton's historic win, Paul Ryan's challenge
5. Gallery: Women who broke glass ceilings
6. Florida Sen. Bill Nelson reacts to Orlando shooting
7. Paul Ryan calls Donald Trump's judge comments racist
...
...
...

...

32. Sanders: Agenda meeting with Clinton will be this week.

...

49. What can Congress do to address mass shootings?

Is this a terrible injustice against the attention that the tragedy requires? Is Face the Nation culpable of minimizing LBGT violence? How many of the people quoted between #3 and #32 about any number of subjects ought to have torpedoed their interviews? Should Face the Nation just have done a 60 minute tribute to pride? What is the argument being made about how people should appropriately grieve today?

I believe that respect, dignity, and gravity should be given to the attacks, and that a full discussion should be had about them. I do not believe this mandates that politics not only don't choose to talk about other things, but actually need to manipulate or threaten press to cancel all pre-planned or pre-recorded coverage that is not connected to the attacks. That is not consistent with history, and it strikes me as vastly more likely to be a bizarre projection of anti-Bernie affect than a broader principle being applied consistently.

Here's their coverage of the Paris attacks last november--you see that like the Orlando attack, the Paris attacks are an important issue put center stage (at the time you also see Sanders weighing in and talking about terrorism--and yes, linking it to global economic inequality and climate change, which may be correct or not but is not going on a tangent)... but they also covered college affordability, Biden not entering the race, past Democratic contests, and Benghazi. It's not because they were deeply disrespectful of french people, tone deaf about the suffering in the world.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

He didn't actually use those words now did he? It's the article.
I'd have thought you'd have noticed that if you were that peculiar about the wording.

It's the way the article is written I guess. It feels like we're getting cliffnotes? I dunno.

For what it's worth, I still disagree with this statement on whether or not they'll work with her in general. I think working with her would be mutually beneficial. I don't think you can placate Clinton on Wall St, so I see it as a battle lost. But I do think she can be on other issues. Hence why the statement "we'll work with her depending on her stances on certain important issues" or whatever seems hollow. This fall what's he going to do? Just pack it up and head to Vermont? Or will he run an anti-Trump campaign absence of supporting Hillary. It just seems to me that supporting Hillary is the logical conclusion in an election with such high stakes. This is why, again, it feels like a plea for purity.

But hey - maybe I'm wrong! But that's how I'm reading it.

 

[nelsonroyale]

What a colossal jackass. At least she's got Warren.

pathetic. Seems a perfectly legitimate stance. I mean she has a track record. Seems like some people are used to politicians whose stances spin like a weather vayne...

 

[AnAnole]

The Bernie hate has gotten absolutely ridiculous

 

[Team Alucard]

Fuck the Dems and team up with Stein Bernie, you know you want to.

Hillary is not going to fight for his ideals one iota. He has to know this, it's why he ran in the first place.

Principles before party.

 

[CloudyTuba]

He was asked a question on a tv news programme. What do you expect the man to do, scrap the whole interview?

Edit: Fucking hell, judging by the comments no one actually read the OP. Dear god HillaryGAF is quick to attack this man.

What else is new? A bunch of idiots with confirmation bias inventing a reason to be furious. Dude is asked a question and he answered. It probably wasnt even recorded today.
And yet you won't see any outrage from them about all the other people discussing other issues today. Only Sanders, because they're just looking for any excuse.

 

[MartyStu]

For people who style themselves as being politically savvy, some of y'all are missing the point.

Bernie has and always had an agenda for running, but OF COURSE he is going to endorse Hillary, but he has to be smart in how he does it.

If he just concedes and supports, his supporters will just call him a sellout. Plenty are already doing so to Warren for her support of Clinton after it was obvious that Bernie was going to lose.

Not only does he have to get some concession--because he wants it obviously--but he has to be SEEN to get a concession in order to smoothly pass the reigns of some of his admittedly rabid supporters to Clinton.

 

[hawk2025]

I think a lot of people are missing the point.

His endorsement will look better after this.


Edit: Basically exactly the post above

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

Oh good lord.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Dude is asked a question and he answered. It probably wasnt even recorded today. And yet you won't see any outrage from them about all the other people discussing other issues today. Only Sanders, because they're just looking for any excuse.

It was recorded this morning (full interview here -- but I'm sure the people angry at Bernie have already watched it) but you can see from the throw-in that Face the Nation had already discussed the shootings with other interviewees and they launch directly into the campaign question with Sanders. This is an interview scoped to ask him this question, not have him talk about Orlando.

It's also worth noting that as far as the "Fuck Off Bernie We Have To Beat Trump" bleating, before he said anything about the stuff in the OP, he explained that his first priority was to do everything he could to beat Trump and that Trump's xenophobic campaign was absolutely unacceptable. There's no equivocation, this is part of the rhetorical shift started after his meeting with Obama to get him to where he needs to be to end his campaign.

Immediately after the quotes in the OP he says "many millions of my supporters will be doing everything we can to defeat Mr. Trump." The final question is the moderator saying Trump asked Bernie supporters to support Trump because both are outsider politicians. Bernie briefly recapitulates some of his criticisms of the primary process, then laughs, and says "let me very clear: my supporters understand very well that a man like Trump who runs his campaign by trying to divide us... this is not a man who should become president of the United States".

 

[legacyzero]

Read the thread.

My post kinda implied that I did.

Bernie has shown great ability to pick and choose what questions he want to answer

Nah. Not even in this context. Simply reaching now.

 

[Staccat0]

I'm not sure what people are so mad about. I have lost a lot of respect for Bernie, but I think this sounds like the right way to handle it, TBH. I wish he cared more about campaign reform that "Wall st." which always feels like a more nebulous and frankly less important thing short-term.

 

[CloudyTuba]

It was recorded this morning (full interview here) but you can see from the throw-in that Face the Nation had already discussed the shootings with other interviewees and they launch directly into the campaign question with Sanders. This is an interview scoped to ask him this question, not have him talk about Orlando.

It's also worth noting that as far as the "Fuck Off Bernie We Have To Beat Trump" bleating, before he said anything about the stuff in the OP, he explained that his first priority was to do everything he could to beat Trump and that Trump's xenophobic campaign was absolutely unacceptable. There's no equivocation, this is part of the rhetorical shift started after his meeting with Obama to get him to where he needs to be to end his campaign.

Immediately after the quotes in the OP he says "many millions of my supporters will be doing everything we can to defeat Mr. Trump." The final question is the moderator saying Trump asked Bernie supporters to support Trump because both are outsider politicians. Bernie briefly recapitulates some of his criticisms of the primary process, then laughs, and says "let me very clear: my supporters understand very well that a man like Trump who runs his campaign by trying to divide us... this is not a man who should become president of the United States".

Thanks for the summary. Hopefully people will at least read this before embarrassing themselves since they don't seem interested in checking out the source.

Like I said, people just looking for excuses. Looks like Bernie is very much preparing to reunited the democratic party post-primaries in the interest of keeping Trump out. He's just getting his ducks in a row first so that his supporters will accept Hillary.

If he just straight dropped out, a lot of his supporters would still be anit-Hillary. If he frames it like he chose it for himself as the best thing, and is able to come back from a meeting with her with positive things to say, then that's going to reunite the factions. It's all very calculated. In fact the meeting is probably all for show. He already knows where Hillary stands, he just needs the meeting as an excuse to believably send his supporters in her direction and make her feel like a candidate they want.

But, you know, 'fuck Bernie' and all that for not just dropping out day-1 and leaving the party a fragmented mess for Trump to eat up.

This is all accrding to keikaku. Now he can say she IS committed to fighting against Wall Street. Now he can look like he is dropping out only because she is willing to continue on with part of his message. This will possibly bring some supporters of Bernie over as partially overshadow some of her dealings with Wall St. in the past.

Exactly.

Read the thread.

(And yet he someone neglected to read the actual OP)

Fuck off.

Welcome to political discussion on the internet, everyone.

 

[gutter_trash]

old man yells at cloud

 

[Tuck]

"I care about LGBT community!"

"Now lets ignore that and talk about the only thing I really care about... Wall Street!"

For fucks sake, he didn't ignore it.

My god, what a witch hunt this thread is.

 

[Staccat0]

old man yells at cloud

Area man feels the need to contribute to conversation; has nothing to say. More at 11.

 

[gutter_trash]

Area man feels the need to contribute to conversation; has nothing to say. More at 11.

old man supposidly on the left prefers to protect gun manufactrers than shooting victims

 

[Valhelm]

Sometimes I feel people don't think. Yes Bernie, don't support her. Let Trump win because you were not the nominee. Set the progressive movement back decades and for at least a generation or two by having Trump win, bring in a Republican Congress and APPOINT JUDGES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

Is this satire?

At this point, Sanders doesn't have much influence. The vast majority of his voters are planning to vote for Clinton. His decision to wait before formally withdrawing is insignificant, considering that there are five months before the election.

He's almost certainly going to endorse Clinton. Mentioning that he wants to privately discuss their differences isn't harmful to party unity.

 

[ExVicis]

Read the thread.

I feel like you need to copyright this response, I think I've seen you legitimately use this as a response to someone in about 5+ threads multiple times. I'm not sure if it speaks to the kind of people you respond to or just your general laziness in responding to people.

 

[Fug Slanderson]

Good for him...why should he endorse her if she didn't support what he is fighting for?

 

[Abounder]

Bernie is a master politician, he knows his endorsement has to look better than the op-ed for Bill back in the day and this is how you do it.

 

[A Link to the Past]

On one hand, I think that Clinton could stand to move a little more left on the issue of Wall Street, or at least establish it in concrete.

On the other hand, knock it off Bernie.

 

[SynthFetish]

Goddamn HillGaf! You cats are viscous!

It was an interview, read the source before you post.

EDIT: Or don't, I'm just some asshole on the Internet.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

For people who style themselves as being politically savvy, some of y'all are missing the point.

Bernie has and always had an agenda for running, but OF COURSE he is going to endorse Hillary, but he has to be smart in how he does it.

If he just concedes and supports, his supporters will just call him a sellout. Plenty are already doing so to Warren for her support of Clinton after it was obvious that Bernie was going to lose.

Not only does he have to get some concession--because he wants it obviously--but he has to be SEEN to get a concession in order to smoothly pass the reigns of some of his admittedly rabid supporters to Clinton.

This is why I see it as a purity test: to make good with his more irrational, hardcore fanbase.

I think we've got multiple camps in this thread. We've got people who have been for Hillary the entire time and are probably just tired of this primary and want it to end already. Then you've got people like me who are (read: were) Bernie supporters and just want the best elements of the campaign ripen to actually bear fruit.

Personally, I understand the need to not always make concessions. But the idea that teaming up with Hillary will be seen as "selling out" is just a ridiculous notion. Especially in light of his "we're tired of your damn emails" statement debates and months ago. At one point in time, people celebrated Bernie for being "above" the regular politician and capable of making good and just doing what's best for the people. But now he's a sellout because he lost and he needs to make good with his opponent to bounce some ideas around? What?

I know how the process works. But the idea that a lot of his more reasonable and doable ideas being lost in time, along with his candidacy, such as making the election a holiday and voting law restructuring, due to Hillary not passing some of his ideas seems straight up foolish.

A lot of his ideas have actual merit in being co-opted by Hillary and I think they'd make a solid team. But his more hardcore supporters calling Warren a sellout and all these other mental gymnastics is just too much to bear and should not in any way be taken seriously. We're talking about a fanbase who always looks for a conspiracy angle as to why Bernie lost. "VOTER FRAUD!" "THE ESTABLISHMENT!" It gets to a point where you're just sick of the catering to these nutters and just want your candidate to bow out graciously.

I'm just utterly exhausted and completely frustrated.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

It was recorded this morning (full interview here -- but I'm sure the people angry at Bernie have already watched it) but you can see from the throw-in that Face the Nation had already discussed the shootings with other interviewees and they launch directly into the campaign question with Sanders. This is an interview scoped to ask him this question, not have him talk about Orlando.

It's also worth noting that as far as the "Fuck Off Bernie We Have To Beat Trump" bleating, before he said anything about the stuff in the OP, he explained that his first priority was to do everything he could to beat Trump and that Trump's xenophobic campaign was absolutely unacceptable. There's no equivocation, this is part of the rhetorical shift started after his meeting with Obama to get him to where he needs to be to end his campaign.

Immediately after the quotes in the OP he says "many millions of my supporters will be doing everything we can to defeat Mr. Trump." The final question is the moderator saying Trump asked Bernie supporters to support Trump because both are outsider politicians. Bernie briefly recapitulates some of his criticisms of the primary process, then laughs, and says "let me very clear: my supporters understand very well that a man like Trump who runs his campaign by trying to divide us... this is not a man who should become president of the United States".

Thanks for this. It seems this story ran by WaPo was trash.

 

[UFO]

old man supposidly on the left prefers to protect gun manufactrers than shooting victims

Why would anyone protest shooting victims?

 

[Paskil]

It's pretty shitty to do this today, but I can understand why they might have. This is me being super cynical, but the Sanders campaign has essentially been knocked out of every news cycle where something noteworthy has occurred. The most recent example of this was his meeting with Obama ànd their discussion. That same day, Biden, Obama, and Warren endorsed with Warren mostly Clinton's "delete your account" and Biden and Warren's attack speeches (along with Warren and her business in Maddie).

Announce today when no one else will release any news to avoid the appearance of being tone-deaf.

 

[Torokil]

I would agree.

I would hope and expect Clinton try to bring Bernie into the fold, though. I think it would benefit both parties. I'd especially like Clinton to take some ideas of Bernie's. I legitimately think the college idea should be looked into.

Nah, Hillary sees Bernie as nothing more than a pissant from a backwater state who doesn't know his role. The way she sees it, Bernie was just a bump in the road, all of the Berniebros will fall in line, and Bernie will be irrelevant the second he steps off the stage at the DNC. Furthermore Sanders is not even a Democrat, he's an independent candidate; he has no juice or power to speak of that Hillary could use. In fact, when he finally concedes, Hillary will likely pretend he doesn't even exist.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._hasnt_gotten_me_to_move_on_any_policies.html

All of the dirty laundry being aired out of the Sanders campaign makes it clear that he really fucking hates Hillary, the Clintons, and the DNC. The most you can expect from Sanders is that he'll grit his teeth, make the most half assed unity speech you can imagine. Then I'd imagine Bernie will go back up to Vermont and have no other role in the election, and he'll talk to trees about wall street.

 

[Koomaster]

Bernard needs to get his shit together. It's over dude, nobody wants to hear from you anymore. You can let people vote out the rest of the primary without having to be in the spotlight. And nobody cares if you endorse Hillary or not when you are putting all these restrictions on it. Fucking do it if you care at all about any of these things because you yourself said you'd do anything to keep Trump out of the white house. But then again you are a man of nothing but flowery words that sound good but no means to back them up. So I'm not really surprised by more of the same. A hypocrite trash person on all levels and I'll be glad when he's gone from politics. Get back to the dumpster he creeped out from.

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Also, let's be honest. We're talking about a candidate whose comments on the south after his losses come across as a tantrum. It's not exactly wrong or out of character for anyone to interpret his words here as a literal purity test or come as bitter.

 

[UFO]

Sometimes I feel people don't think. Yes Bernie, don't support her. Let Trump win because you were not the nominee. Set the progressive movement back decades and for at least a generation or two by having Trump win, bring in a Republican Congress and APPOINT JUDGES TO THE SUPREME COURT.

Bernie endorsing Clinton would mean nothing. How is this lost on you? People support him because he's anti-establishment/ corporate money. That's the exact opposite of what Clinton is. I can almost guarantee that every Bernie supporter has already decided if they're going to vote for Clinton, abstain, or vote for Trump/3rd party. The only meaningful way this will change is if Clinton announces Bernie as her VP. So really the ball is in her court and you should be angry at her refusal to bring in his supporters.

 

[Korigama]

Fuck the Dems and team up with Stein Bernie, you know you want to.

Hillary is not going to fight for his ideals one iota. He has to know this, it's why he ran in the first place.

Principles before party.

Nothing says principles like advocating for him backing an anti-vaxxer.

 

[the-pi-guy]

Most positive Bernie thread in a while to be honest.

If it comes between Hillary and Trump (which it already has), Sanders will of course push for Hillary. Right now, he can push for the things he wants without it hurting the Democratic party's chances. There's still 5 months to go, and a lot can happen on both sides.
Personally I think the reactions to Bernie are more harmful to uniting the party than most of what Bernie has done.

I'm highly doubtful that Trump will win.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Thanks for this. It seems this story ran by WaPo was trash.

Nah, it's just that people don't understand political theatre. Bernie knows how important this election is as does Clinton. Showing enough people care about income inequality, controlling tuition, and health care is all he ever needed to do. It gives him some leverage in endorsement talks.

 

[CloudyTuba]

Fuck the Dems and team up with Stein Bernie, you know you want to.

Hillary is not going to fight for his ideals one iota. He has to know this, it's why he ran in the first place.

Principles before party.

He said he would not do something like that because it would split of the dems too much and hand the white house to trump on a platter. Now that the primaries are complete he's already preparing to reunite the internal factions. He plans on sticking with the dems.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

It was recorded this morning (full interview here -- but I'm sure the people angry at Bernie have already watched it) but you can see from the throw-in that Face the Nation had already discussed the shootings with other interviewees and they launch directly into the campaign question with Sanders. This is an interview scoped to ask him this question, not have him talk about Orlando.

It's also worth noting that as far as the "Fuck Off Bernie We Have To Beat Trump" bleating, before he said anything about the stuff in the OP, he explained that his first priority was to do everything he could to beat Trump and that Trump's xenophobic campaign was absolutely unacceptable. There's no equivocation, this is part of the rhetorical shift started after his meeting with Obama to get him to where he needs to be to end his campaign.

Immediately after the quotes in the OP he says "many millions of my supporters will be doing everything we can to defeat Mr. Trump." The final question is the moderator saying Trump asked Bernie supporters to support Trump because both are outsider politicians. Bernie briefly recapitulates some of his criticisms of the primary process, then laughs, and says "let me very clear: my supporters understand very well that a man like Trump who runs his campaign by trying to divide us... this is not a man who should become president of the United States".

Thank you for those last two posts.