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Danny Phantom Mafia |OT| Your lynch doesn't stand a ghost of a chance!
- Thread starter Terrabyte20xx
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I think you and I just have a conceptual disagreement Darryl. I think that a lynch on Day 1 is nearly always going to be the best case, and admittedly it will likely be town. I played to how I like to play the game, that means making sure there's no tie shenanigans at the end of the day. In my opinion, my actions could not have been any more townie, clearly I would have benefited in your mind from supposedly deciding the lynch, but I don't think I was the one who did it. We were in a situation of two people barely putting up a fight and a person going around tying the vote, in the end my vote didn't even affect the result.
Tell me this (Darryl and others on me for this), had I not switched my vote, would you still feel how you currently do about me? If you're upset that SkyOdin was town, that's just the way the Day 1 lynch always goes, in all likelihood StarSketch is town as well. The people that are more likely to be scum (and I know this includes me) are the people who had a kind of significant amount of votes on them before it all fizzled to Star or Sky.
Tell me this (Darryl and others on me for this), had I not switched my vote, would you still feel how you currently do about me? If you're upset that SkyOdin was town, that's just the way the Day 1 lynch always goes, in all likelihood StarSketch is town as well. The people that are more likely to be scum (and I know this includes me) are the people who had a kind of significant amount of votes on them before it all fizzled to Star or Sky.
I would still feel suspicious of you, yes. My vote is based upon more factors than just the end of Day 1.
That being said, I'm not 100% sold on it, and you've convinced me in the past. If you're not scum, do you think that Darryl/Royal might be?
Also, still interested in hearing from the following people. I don't have a strong read on the lot of you, and that worries me considering we're on the final 24 hours of Day 2....
ultron87
OceanicAir
Matt Attack
StanleyPalmtree
gryvan
Rats Off to Ya
TheWorthyEdge
As nice as it might be to say that Darryl is scum, his devotion to the game and to making his point leads me to think he is town, just looking in the wrong place.
I could certainly buy Royal being scum, but they haven't done enough to stick out to me as particularly scummy.
In all honesty, I feel like I can't really go for Xam as Kk just started the game. I find it interesting that he never brought up the fact that he was a miller, most people in this community would, is Xam really not one of them? KK coming out with it right when he subs in makes it seem like a thing he just had to get out there before attention turned to him, it was clearly not premeditated or part of a scheme which inclines me to believe him. For this reason I didn't actually vote for him.
I could certainly buy Royal being scum, but they haven't done enough to stick out to me as particularly scummy.
In all honesty, I feel like I can't really go for Xam as Kk just started the game. I find it interesting that he never brought up the fact that he was a miller, most people in this community would, is Xam really not one of them? KK coming out with it right when he subs in makes it seem like a thing he just had to get out there before attention turned to him, it was clearly not premeditated or part of a scheme which inclines me to believe him. For this reason I didn't actually vote for him.
Ok, now. In particular, it's a line like this that bothers me.
Your vote for StarSketch was #510. The closest period towards Day #1 being a toss-up was at the exact moment before that vote at post #508 by SkyOdin.
You are creating a scenario in which one of the six people who were pretty close (if that) to being lynched was scum, and that a scum member must have come out to save them. Look at this scenario from a more distanced perspective.
We had what was basically a six-way toss-up. It could've went anywhere. Instead, you bandwagon onto StarSketch who had the most momentum of the group. You broke the toss-up scenario and lead the lynch away from the people who you now deem are the scummiest. So I don't understand why I should go after those people you took the spotlight off of, and not you instead. It looks like we would be going after individuals in the wrong order. You're free to draw attention to them all you want, but no one is doing that. You haven't presented really any opinions today except to try to deflect a lynch. I haven't been coming at you with teeth, either. I didn't even vote for you immediately after I made that huge argument against you. I gave you a chance to talk yourself out of it and contribute and instead you disregarded it.
When you combine that with a blatant disregard for others in exchange for self-survival, and the need to lynch people that you think are town, it really puts you in a weird spot.
You're giving me more credit for steering the momentum of the day than I think is warranted. Before we all settled in on SkyOdin and Star, it was pretty much a tossup between all 6 of us. Sure there were some minor things, but not enough to lead a non-Day 1 lynch on. Obviously, I know my own role so I didn't want to get lynched, certainly not on Day 1. Once everyone had settled in on Star and Sky, then I felt it was a distinct possibility that both were town and Sky's actions later solidified my thoughts. There was no fight or anything crazy happening, so both in my opinion are likely to be town. This then leads me to think about the others who had some pressure but later fell off and that is where I think some scum resides.
Someone earlier mentioned that I should have stuck with my gut in voting Star, but remember that I voted Star purely to get a tie off of myself, hardly me being concrete on them. Say you lynch me today Darryl, where will you then go on Day 3 when we've lost 6 town in two days and my lynch gives you nothing?
I'll be at work until just before the end of the day tomorrow, so I may not make it. Hope you all make the right decision.
OceanicAir
Member
So I went through and I'm still not too concerned about the Blarg's pursuit of RF. I was really concerned about his unvote/vote at the end of the day as that was really weird and his explanation does make sense so what really nobody really picking it up at the beginning of the day so i'll look into that more tomorrow too. i've left this post open for too long and i just want to get my thoughts out right now, again apologies for my inactivity.
People I'm concerned about
[-] Darryl or [m] CornBurrito
[m] Trigger
[m] Xamtheking Kingkitty
[m] Ty4on
People I'm keeping an eye on
[f] StarSketch
[m] Rats Off to Ya
[m] Blargonaut
People I trust:
[m] OceanicAir
Others who I'll reread later:
[f] melonrabbit - New
[m] Giant Panda
[m] StanleyPalmtree
[m] gryvan
[m] Flame_AC
[m] TheWorthyEdge
[m] Royal_Flush
[m] Matt Attack
[m] El Topo Sophia
[m] ultron87
Night killed:
[-] Enker
[m] CrimsonFist
Lynched:
[m] SkyOdin
People I'm concerned about
[-] Darryl or [m] CornBurrito
[m] Trigger
[m] Ty4on
People I'm keeping an eye on
[f] StarSketch
[m] Rats Off to Ya
[m] Blargonaut
People I trust:
[m] OceanicAir
Others who I'll reread later:
[f] melonrabbit - New
[m] Giant Panda
[m] StanleyPalmtree
[m] gryvan
[m] Flame_AC
[m] TheWorthyEdge
[m] Royal_Flush
[m] Matt Attack
[m] ultron87
Night killed:
Lynched:
Do you think about asking that same question, "what we'll get off a lynch", about other players? There's not a lot across the board right now. We can't even get opinions out of a lot of people here, and then there's players like you who only chime in to defend themselves and deflect instead of helping to pressure others.
Blargonaut
Banned
lol at Darryl leading Town
more like Twilight Zone
more like Twilight Zone
Blargonaut
Banned
Did someone make that joke already?
I hope not, only I deserve to say it
I hope not, only I deserve to say it
Blargonaut
Banned
Just post a lot of Danny Phantom GIFs along with snide one-liners, currently that niche of meaningful contribution is unfulfilled in this game and if someone were to fill that role I believe they could win
The vessels may differ, but the spirits remain the same
HA that's a fire joke, right? Not bad
back"fire"
"Flame"_AC
See, you're getting the hang of it
UNVOTE: Giant Panda
VOTE: Flame_AC
Blargonaut
Banned
Hey kingkitty remember in the Harry Potter game when I was Dumbledore and you were Voldemort and I wasted you
Blargonaut
Banned
Good times.
Sometimes you just gotta sit back and reminisce with a Miller
Sometimes you just gotta sit back and reminisce with a Miller
Blargonaut
Banned
anyway, I'll leave you to it
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Sorry, guys. E3 is literally my favorite time of year and watching all the coverage has been eating up my free time. I've been following the thread but not closely enough to feel like I had much to contribute.
I'm not sure I buy Flame being scum. His only confirmed crime is wanting blood for the blood god, which is something I can respect. Not lynching anyone on day one is worse than lynching a Townie. We can examine the exact circumstances around his actions with 20/20 hindsight, but it's easy for me to see how he could have had noble intentions in the moment.
Without a solid lead to go off of, the best thing we can hope for from a lynch right now is information. If we lynch Flame and he flips Town all we learn is that he was telling the truth. Now, I haven't exactly been scumreading StarSketch, but I don't have much of a Town read for her, either. If she flips Town we'll know that Flame wasn't trying to save a scum partner, and if she flips scum there will be more to think about in terms of how the Day One vote formed. She's also had some more compelling interactions with other players than Flame has, IMO.
With all that said, when I look over the last moments of the day it doesn't seem quite as chaotic as I'd expect it to get when scum is in the thunderdome on Day One (I was on the other side of that situation in a previous game and shit got straight nuts). But her flip has the potential to settle the issue on Flame, whereas Flame's would leave the door wide open on Star.
Nothing personal. This is a pragmatic vote more than anything.
VOTE: StarSketch
I'm not sure I buy Flame being scum. His only confirmed crime is wanting blood for the blood god, which is something I can respect. Not lynching anyone on day one is worse than lynching a Townie. We can examine the exact circumstances around his actions with 20/20 hindsight, but it's easy for me to see how he could have had noble intentions in the moment.
Without a solid lead to go off of, the best thing we can hope for from a lynch right now is information. If we lynch Flame and he flips Town all we learn is that he was telling the truth. Now, I haven't exactly been scumreading StarSketch, but I don't have much of a Town read for her, either. If she flips Town we'll know that Flame wasn't trying to save a scum partner, and if she flips scum there will be more to think about in terms of how the Day One vote formed. She's also had some more compelling interactions with other players than Flame has, IMO.
With all that said, when I look over the last moments of the day it doesn't seem quite as chaotic as I'd expect it to get when scum is in the thunderdome on Day One (I was on the other side of that situation in a previous game and shit got straight nuts). But her flip has the potential to settle the issue on Flame, whereas Flame's would leave the door wide open on Star.
Nothing personal. This is a pragmatic vote more than anything.
VOTE: StarSketch
melonrabbit
Member
I'll keep it in mind, blarg.
VOTE: Flame_AC
Voting for who I think is scummiest (based on those active D2.)
Blargonaut
Banned
I think you're trying to save Flame by asking us to take Yesterday's untraveled road, because you know that StarSketch isn't scum and it's an easy push with your "more leads" argument.
Tell you what; after this post of yours, now I want to lynch Flame even more, to prove that he has no ties to you either.
Meanwhile, to be sure, if the second killer is Town-aligned, they should banish StarSketch Tonight to help us out and prove their own Town-ness/Vigilantism.
CornBurrito
Member
I'll be swamped at work today so I'm not going to change my vote. Flame will be gone with or without me, but if he role claims last minute I won't be able to modify my vote to accommodate if need be.
Also I'm very confused as to why people town read Xam so strongly.
Also I'm very confused as to why people town read Xam so strongly.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
So you have a tracker on your scum team?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
VOTE TALLY:
flame_ac (6)
matt attack 606
royal_flush 607
darryl 741
sophia 745
blargonaut 762
melonrabbit 767
xamtheking (3)
giant panda 573
xamtheking 574
theworthyedge 672
starsketch (2)
cornburrito 539
rats off to ya 766
giant panda (1)
ty4on 710
cornburrito (1)
starsketch 715
oceanicair (1)
gryvan 716
rats off to ya (1)
ultron87 759
el topo (0)
ultron87 (0)
darryl (0)
blargonaut (0)
royal_flush (0)
no lynch (0)
DAY 2 ENDS:
from my skimming, here are some people i decided to type about
flame ac - at least a few of his early posts spent mostly speculating on potential roles. which is an easy way to look helpful and active, without having to be combative. seems needless to have a conversation about potential roles on Day 1. i'm getting a real "i'm scum doing a bit of filler" vibe.
his recent post says it's "laughable" that anyone would want to lynch him. i don't think it's laughable. i haven't chuckled once. from my skimming, it doesn't seem like a completely out of nowhere, unjustifiable lynch. so it's odd that his defense would argue with that reasoning. like it's a desperation scum grab at living.
day 1 flame said that claiming miller/being a miller is a scumtell, was that statement mostly in jest? he seems pretty OK that i'm claiming miller. although he justifies not having his vote on me because i just got subbed in. lean-scum
starsketch - that post where she says "Honestly if I were scum I'd be trying way harder than this to defend myself." To me, that smells like "I can't possibly be scum, look how blase I am. So un-scum like~". lean-suspicious
el topo - does the easy, helpful route by asking people their thoughts on basic questions. although asking for scumtell is interesting, because if el topo was scum, this could be a nice way to see what mistakes to avoid. lean-suspicious
the worthy edge - "mistakenly" says he's danny phantom. didn't realize the game started already. if this is a bold scum move, why not commit? why backtrack so quickly? perhaps it was backfiring hard, so scum decided to throw the plan away.
or was this always part of the plan. maybe it was a clever way to analyze the reaction of the townies. see if they can point out the real danny, or other townies who know extra information.
my initial gut is that worthy was just making a mistake. but i'm not willing to have him completely off the hook, i'll keep the eyes open. lean-eyes open.
cornb - from what i've seen, he's using a tad too much meta. maybe scum trying to stretch for justifications? or just a townie who is using meta. nulls i dunno right now.
in the off days, i'll try to paint a better picture of the players i've already mentioned, and some of the players i haven't mentioned at all.
flame ac - at least a few of his early posts spent mostly speculating on potential roles. which is an easy way to look helpful and active, without having to be combative. seems needless to have a conversation about potential roles on Day 1. i'm getting a real "i'm scum doing a bit of filler" vibe.
his recent post says it's "laughable" that anyone would want to lynch him. i don't think it's laughable. i haven't chuckled once. from my skimming, it doesn't seem like a completely out of nowhere, unjustifiable lynch. so it's odd that his defense would argue with that reasoning. like it's a desperation scum grab at living.
day 1 flame said that claiming miller/being a miller is a scumtell, was that statement mostly in jest? he seems pretty OK that i'm claiming miller. although he justifies not having his vote on me because i just got subbed in. lean-scum
starsketch - that post where she says "Honestly if I were scum I'd be trying way harder than this to defend myself." To me, that smells like "I can't possibly be scum, look how blase I am. So un-scum like~". lean-suspicious
el topo - does the easy, helpful route by asking people their thoughts on basic questions. although asking for scumtell is interesting, because if el topo was scum, this could be a nice way to see what mistakes to avoid. lean-suspicious
the worthy edge - "mistakenly" says he's danny phantom. didn't realize the game started already. if this is a bold scum move, why not commit? why backtrack so quickly? perhaps it was backfiring hard, so scum decided to throw the plan away.
or was this always part of the plan. maybe it was a clever way to analyze the reaction of the townies. see if they can point out the real danny, or other townies who know extra information.
my initial gut is that worthy was just making a mistake. but i'm not willing to have him completely off the hook, i'll keep the eyes open. lean-eyes open.
cornb - from what i've seen, he's using a tad too much meta. maybe scum trying to stretch for justifications? or just a townie who is using meta. nulls i dunno right now.
in the off days, i'll try to paint a better picture of the players i've already mentioned, and some of the players i haven't mentioned at all.
remember when you got rekt in loveboat mafia
yeah i bet you do
you got rekt
anyways, i probably won't be here at the deadline. peace out, my ghost friends.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
so i just wana throw this out there, im skeptical aF of that miller claim, like, that seems insane to me that xam played like he played while being a miller,
but xam was playing insane,
and it would be really dumb to fake claim it now......
i may have just convinced myself against my own train of thought.
im still skeptical.
welcome to the party
your majesty
but xam was playing insane,
and it would be really dumb to fake claim it now......
i may have just convinced myself against my own train of thought.
im still skeptical.
welcome to the party
your majesty
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
ehhhh, i dont really think im sold on the flame lynch,
wont lose any sleep over it though.
i probably would have gone for xam next, but then that happened, so ehhhh to that plan.....
for now....
But you know who i do have a only somewhat substantiated gut read on, and who also hasnt been replaced yet?
VOTE: Giant Panda
wont lose any sleep over it though.
i probably would have gone for xam next, but then that happened, so ehhhh to that plan.....
for now....
But you know who i do have a only somewhat substantiated gut read on, and who also hasnt been replaced yet?
VOTE: Giant Panda
Royal_Flush
Member
Not one clear Town Read. That's horrible.
I'm still on board with the Flame lynch.
Keep an eye on the following people:
Darryl
Blarg
Rats
They all strike me as kind of odd.
(Sorry, I know that's not much, but I'm rather tired right now. I hope to do better the following night phases.)
I'm still on board with the Flame lynch.
Keep an eye on the following people:
Darryl
Blarg
Rats
They all strike me as kind of odd.
(Sorry, I know that's not much, but I'm rather tired right now. I hope to do better the following night phases.)
I'm at a friend's place so it's possible can't be active at the deadline.
I'm still not feeling a Flame lynch. I started doubting him a bit at D2 start, but his responses today strike me as townie. He seems confident that he is on the right side.
VOTE: StarSketch
I'm still not feeling a Flame lynch. I started doubting him a bit at D2 start, but his responses today strike me as townie. He seems confident that he is on the right side.
You don't have anything to say about Flame?
I'm not sure either of them flipping town will tell us much, but I would rather see Star lynched today.
VOTE: StarSketch
I didn't see this while making my post. Finally someone on Panda.
VOTE: Giant Panda
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
so thats a no on the giant panda lynch them?
awwwwwww
mulligan
awwwwwww
mulligan
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
You get that vibe too huh? This reminds me of Bachelor Party all over again.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
okay ho ho ho(Merry Christmas)ld the duck up
its one thing to find frustration in a beloved franchise backpedaling through all too familiar territory,
and quite another to hate a production that clearly spoke of a significant adoration for the franchises past, and an effort to share the joy they found in it to a whole new audience who might never have experienced it otherwise.
disliking such a movie, sure, i could understand that.
but hate,
now thats just a scumtell.
more immediately, you've been on thin ice since the start of this game, and haven't said anything of note in this day phase.
i suggest you start making more meaningful mouth hole noises.
I've gotten it since D1. Flame is very reminiscent of how he was in Batman to me. He's not as nervous and backpedalling as he was in Love Boat.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
and welcome to you to, mysteriously purple haired girl.
welcome,
to the Stantom Zone!
which part of Bachelor party would that be?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Hmm... Darryl jumped from Flame to SkyOdin at the end of Day 1, huh?
You don't remember the part where you all killed me? How cruel! D:
You don't remember the part where you all killed me? How cruel! D:
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
hey i never killed nobody!
*hides smoking gun behind back*
honestly i forget half of what goes on in these games.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
oh shit now i remember! i really Really REALLY! FUCKING REALLY!! wanted to kill Flame, but he was town and i didn't so hurrah.
oh shit now i kinda wana lynch him now, you know, make up for missed opertunitys and all...
nahh
oh shit now i kinda wana lynch him now, you know, make up for missed opertunitys and all...
nahh
You're not alone in that thought. Darryl doesn't seem as aggressive as I associate with him as a town player. Blarg is pushing this typo as a scumtell narrative despite there not being much traction for it. I think Flush has spent more time defending himself than anything else.
None of this is really solid enough for me to place a vote on them though.
Yeah... when I think of town Darryl I think of a player who is aggressive at pushing logical fallacies and hard reads on people. But here I didn't get that feeling until he started pushing Flame.
Royal's a hard read for me in general, so....
Blargonaut
Banned
It's probably Royal_Flush, IMO
Probably... huh?
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
indeed
So, Blarg/Trigger, here's what I'm thinking right now: We're 40 something minutes away from the deadline, and basically nobody is talking. Now I'm starting to wonder if we're really making a mistake or not. Surely scum would try to fight harder to save their own, unless they felt Flame was a lost cause, right...?