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[Dr. Buni]

If? More like when.

I don't think Nintendo is going anywhere tho, they have their place even if their systems aren't as big as Sony systems.

 

[Rncewind]

You're just looking at overall loss, not the context of it and then making statements as weird as the Wii U ate up all the 3DS revenue, which is not the case.

No exactly the opposite, im looking at the divsions. Your mindset of excluding like the R&D of wii u shows that you cant comprehend it. Why would one exclude r&D for the console lol

It is the case, if you like it or not

whatever think want you want

 

[Mr-Joker]

Nintendo would go third party.

Because that worked so well for Sega and Atari.

How many times can they try though? Sega tried twice.

Sega was bleeding money, was rife of infighting between the Japanese and US branch and had strings of hardware/Add on flops that eroded consumers, retailers, developers and publishers' trust.

So more gimmicks?

Every company has a gimmick, it is not exclusive to Nintendo.

 

[Shiggy]

They'll go mobile only and focus on expanding the Miitomo universe. They'll advertise their apps with "using the most space" and "having the longest loading times" to show people that they should have bought their consoles.

 

[RalchAC]

I was thinking the same thing. They wouldn't have to rely solely on their hardware business.

I think we should wait and see what the NX is and how Nintendo pitches it to the consumer in 2016.

Yeah. They're making mobile games, theme park and many other stuff. It looks like they're diversifying and looking for ways to bring their IPs to more people than they previously did.

I think the whole "gen 8.5" thing both Sony and MS are doing caught them off guard. They were probably expecting to release a console in between the PS4 and the X1 in terms of performance for a low price, which should have kept them with a "good enough" console for 2-4 years.

After the leaks and announcements, they are probably paying quite a lot of attention to the market. They've already done similar stuff in the past in the handheld market (DSi and New 3DS say hi) and will probably embrace a similar model if the PS4K does well.

The mid-gen upgrade could be an effective route for Nintendo. They are the most "family friendly" hardware maker. Having a wider range of devices to target different kind of families with their homeconsoles could work well for them.

 

[ChaosZeroX]

I like how GAF always thinks Nintendo is rollin in money lol

If NX fails, they going 3rd party and I can't wait to play Zelda on Neo or PS5.

 

[JoeM86]

No exactly the opposite, im looking at the divsions. Your mindset of excluding like the R&D of wii u shows that you cant comprehend it. Why would one exclude r&D for the console lol

It is the case, if you like it or not

whatever think want you want

Your logic is flawed. You're basing it off the premise that Wii U ate all the 3DS revenue. You cannot make such assertions

I like how GAF always thinks Nintendo is rollin in money lol

If NX fails, they going 3rd party and I can't wait to play Zelda on Neo or PS5.

Probably because they've looked at the financial data

 

[Milly Osworth]

They will probably try again.

Eventually they will stop anyway, just like the others. Games will probably be streamed or unified somehow some day. And then they can just focus on what they are good at, making games and using their IP.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Probably go back to selling baseball cards

 

[gbland]

Nintendo will seek other means for profit. Originally they were a card game company. They saw potential in the video game industry and took it. Now that video games are veering off a different direction from Nintendo, they will start looking for better ideas. Maybe go third party in the console and mobile space, or something completely different. Just depends what is the best business decision for Nintendo. They can't afford another flop like the Wii U because not only will they have a loss in profit, but a loss in reputation as well.

 

[Übermatik]

I HOPE and PRAY that IF it flops, they take a damn good step back and reevaluate the console market. They need to take their time and really invest in a competitive system, whilst maintaining that Nintendo IP edge. I think the Wii U (and perhaps now, the NX) were rushed in an effort to pick up the slack. If NX flops, they need to cut their losses and maybe even wait it out to gauge the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft knew of the NX and quickly assembled the Neo/Scorpio to directly outclass it. Next time around, Nintendo need to wait for their signal, not the other way around. They have the capital to build a really impressive machine and re-capture the market.

 

[fhqwhgads]

Still shocking to see how many people think Nintendo going full mobile/third party would be a good decision. A short term solution with disastrous long term consequences.

 

[Rncewind]

Sega was bleeding money, was rife of infighting between the Japanese and US branch and had strings of hardware/Add on flops that eroded consumers, retailers, developers and publishers' trust.

Well Nintendo checked most of these boxes.

Dreamcast had more third party support then wiiu

 

[Servbot24]

I was joking about how people say this kind of stuff since more than 20 years now.
They're not "on the edge of doom", as much as some are hoping for it.

Thanks to Wii/DS era. If it weren't for that blip on the trend line, they would be in serious trouble. Thankfully it was a real thing that happened, but Nintendo can't act like a few good years means they're invincible. That's how Wii U happened.

 

[Neff]

They'll try again. They're rich as fuck.

I don't think it's likely though. With Wii U, almost every decision they made -aside from the software itself- was wrong. It was almost impressive how much they screwed up. We've seen how their software is changing to reflect the times and I imagine that their hardware plans will be equally geared towards placating modern market demands, or potentially even second-guessing them.

Nintendo could make a console more powerful than Scorpio and Neo combined and they would still be shunned by 3rd parties. The idea that 3rd parties are held back by Nintendo's power is simply a myth. Look at DS - woefully underpowered, unconventional layout that made simple ports impossible, and it had the best 3rd party support of maybe any Nintendo system.

3rd parties typically make games for the market leader first (in the case of consoles, Sony and MS, in the case of handhelds, Nintendo), and port to the remainder of hardware on a level playing field. So this theory doesn't really work.

3rd parties simply don't like working with Nintendo. Ninteno has to carry their own weight or go 3rd party themselves.

Also, you just disproved this argument spectacularly with your above statement.

 

[Aostia]

another Wiiu-like debacle, would push them out of the home console business (if NX will actually be a normal home console).
hardly because of cash-flow issues, but necessarily for business directions and decisions.
at that point they would probably look at other streams of revenue (portable, mobile, third party hw for home console, amiibos and toys, IP licensing etc...)

 

[wonderful103]

Yeah. They're making mobile games, theme park and many other stuff. It looks like they're diversifying and looking for ways to bring their IPs to more people than they previously did.

I think the whole "gen 8.5" thing both Sony and MS are doing caught them off guard. They were probably expecting to release a console in between the PS4 and the X1 in terms of performance for a low price, which should have kept them with a "good enough" console for 2-4 years.

After the leaks and announcements, they are probably paying quite a lot of attention to the market. They've already done similar stuff in the past in the handheld market (DSi and New 3DS say hi) and will probably embrace a similar model if the PS4K does well.

The mid-gen upgrade could be an effective route for Nintendo. They are the most "family friendly" hardware maker. Having a wider range of devices to target different kind of families with their homeconsoles could work well for them.

Nintendo announced that they were embracing platform as a service a la android (which implies hardware agnostic/iterative into the future) long before the rumours began swirling as to what Sony and ms were both doing.

I like how GAF always thinks Nintendo is rollin in money lol

If NX fails, they going 3rd party and I can't wait to play Zelda on Neo or PS5.

That's hilarious, you think that if Nintendo bows out they're going to wilfully relinquish 30 percent to a shrinking, more insular market (where their family friendly titles aren't doing well in the first place) for your own selfish gain?

They'll either make their own origin on PC or develop solely for mobile where there is actually still some growth.

 

[Ripenen]

Although console gaming is as thriving as back in the day, that doesn't mean consoles are going away.

It's still an insanely big industry, and as long as people who want to immerse themselves in videogames, consoles and PC gaming will continue to exist.

We might be in a paradigm shift with the upcoming VR options, the next step will probably be to have VR sets with neural transmitter making muscles twitch etc. when in contact in the actual game.

I predict right now though, that seniors in the future will be the only people still using an actual controller.

People may still want to immerse themselves in video games, but consoles don't need to exist for that to happen. Games will still be around, but the concept of a box connected to a TV will go away. It's happened with movies and music. The tech isn't there yet for high end games, but that's clearly the direction we're moving.

 

[LordOfChaos]

If they manage to stay in the black like the later years of the Wii U they'll just keep floating, even if they go into the red for each NX year their warchest leaves little chance of a dead Nintendo unless they keep failing for another many years. If they lose 250 million a year they'd still be floating on liquid cash for a long time (latest I see is 460 billion yen in cash ,$4.4 billion USD, not counting non-cash assets).


So I'd hope it would just mean more learning and a better try the third time around.

 

[Possumowner]

If Nintendo fails this time I think they will concentrate all there money on Amiibos and maybe Pachiko.

More seriously,they will either try again,or move closer to mobile

 

[LordOcidax]

Saw this thread last decade.

Yes, looks like if you make a thread with the words: Nintendo, Bad or flop is an secure success.

 

[FaintDeftone]

Their merchandising game is strong. If it flops they can just sell more Super Mario shoes and plushies to dorks like me and make up for it.

 

[Meesh]

I don't blame the OP for being a little concerned, but I think their investments or future investments might help offset future flops. Branching out into film, restaurants, theme parks and the like might really do wonders for them.
As for the NX, I'll cautiously wait for the reveal and proposed games lineup before I let the old "doomed" train of thought enter my mind.

 

[sd28821]

depends on why the nx didn't sell well without that knowledge were not even close to making a educated guess though i doubt that was the reason for this threads creation.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Yes, looks like if you make a thread with the words: Nintendo, Bad or flop is an secure success.

Any Nintendo thread is at least a guaranteed trolling success.

 

[Gitaroo]

go multi plat is their only path, and people need to stop comparing with Sega, Nintendo market is 1000% better than Sega.

 

[LambdaTeos]

"they will go third party"

I forgot everyone here has a business, like, fuck it, let's go third party, yaaay

"wii u failed, it's the most obvious reason"

again, I love how everyone is an expert, please study.....

"i can't wait to play X game on X console"

well... you actually can, I mean, you're doing it right now.... and you will certainly keep doing it...

 

[OuterLimits]

So more gimmicks?

Why not? That is the way they separate themselves from the competition. It worked brilliantly for Wii, and failed miserably for Wii U.

How is making a powerful console directly competing with Microsoft and Sony a better move? They still may not get 3rd party support, and I doubt many would suddenly switch from Sony or Microsoft consoles anyway. Better for them to design a system that has a chance of attracting new customers(along with the Nintendo fans)

Nintendo will get 3rd party support if the system sells. The Wii had a ton of 3rd party support. I know people like to ignore it because it wasn't the same titles the 360/PS3 were getting.

 

[Rncewind]

go multi plat is their only path, and people need to stop comparing with Sega, Nintendo market is 1000% better than Sega.

would still be dumb

 

[sfedai0]

They have probably enough capital to muster one more go, but honestly I think they should focus on handheld, mobile, and become a third party developer.

 

[Trago]

Yeah. They're making mobile games, theme park and many other stuff. It looks like they're diversifying and looking for ways to bring their IPs to more people than they previously did.

I think the whole "gen 8.5" thing both Sony and MS are doing caught them off guard. They were probably expecting to release a console in between the PS4 and the X1 in terms of performance for a low price, which should have kept them with a "good enough" console for 2-4 years.

After the leaks and announcements, they are probably paying quite a lot of attention to the market. They've already done similar stuff in the past in the handheld market (DSi and New 3DS say hi) and will probably embrace a similar model if the PS4K does well.

The mid-gen upgrade could be an effective route for Nintendo. They are the most "family friendly" hardware maker. Having a wider range of devices to target different kind of families with their homeconsoles could work well for them.

If they are going to address the family demographic, then they shouldn't be worried about the Neo and Scorpio at all. They need to price themselves away from the competition and focus on software that will sell their systems, keep developing mobile software, and get their IP's out there to reach kids better.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Where is all this NX doom talk coming from? Why are people saying it seems rushed? They literally just delayed it past the holidays!

We know absolutely nothing about the NX, and almost every rumor so far has been so conflicting that we can't possibly believe most of them. Honestly I still haven't seen a more trustworthy rumor than the one posted by LCGeek which indicates that the NX CPU is >>>>XB1>>PS4>>>>>>Wii U, which is a surprisingly powerful CPU, especially when the NEO CPU might not change at all. Think about that- the most trustworthy rumor we have says that the NX CPU is more powerful than the CPU Sony is considering for the NEO (last I've seen they haven't decided if they want to upgrade the CPU).


Beyond all that, in answer to the OP, Nintendo will undoubtedly try again. Will it be a stationary console or handheld? We don't even know if the NX will be a traditional console or handheld, so who the hell knows? All I know is that if whatever the NX is does flop like the Wii U, Nintendo will release new hardware aiming to fix whatever problems cropped up for the NX. They may partner with other companies to do so, but they'll never go third party in the way people want, beyond supporting mobile devices.

Now, do I think the NX will flop at the level of the Wii U? Not a chance in hell. The praise Zelda is getting alone shows that there is WAY more interest in the NX than the Wii U ever had. And considering how many of Nintendo's teams have been so quiet lately, coupled with what we know about their massive internal restructuring of their handheld and console teams there will undoubtedly be a much steadier and bigger stream of Nintendo first party software on the NX, and as we all know software has been proven to sell hardware time and time again.

 

[DSix]

I think investors would be pissed off and would call for some heads to roll in the board of directors.

After that you can expect a big change of direction, could be anything. Third party, or another console that's not based on a "surprise", or a focus on handheld only.


Honestly at this point I would be pretty stocked to be able to play Zelda games on Steam. IMO nintendo doesn't need to make hardware, it's arbitrary and redundant if you buy it just for one publisher.

 

[Okami Haundo]

I HOPE and PRAY that IF it flops, they take a damn good step back and reevaluate the console market. They need to take their time and really invest in a competitive system, whilst maintaining that Nintendo IP edge. I think the Wii U (and perhaps now, the NX) were rushed in an effort to pick up the slack. If NX flops, they need to cut their losses and maybe even wait it out to gauge the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft knew of the NX and quickly assembled the Neo/Scorpio to directly outclass it. Next time around, Nintendo need to wait for their signal, not the other way around. They have the capital to build a really impressive machine and re-capture the market.

I hope and pray that they've already done what you mentioned in your first sentence. I think the Wii-U should have been proof to them that just releasing a mid-gen console won't work. The NX definitely needs a strong argument for why it exists, the Wii-U reveal didn't even make it clear that there was a new console.

As for Sony and Microsoft releasing NEO and Scorpio as a reaction to Nintendo, I don't see that being the case. Nintendo hasn't been serious competition to either of them for quite some time. They may all be in the same industry, but Sony and MS view each other as the competition and that's about it.

 

[ThanksVision]

remember when we knew next to nothing about the wii and everyone thought it was gonna flop

 

[RedZaraki]

You can quote me on this: NX will be another Wii U.

There is literally zero reason to think Nintendo has changed their tune.

 

[Trago]

I hope and pray that they've already done what you mentioned in your first sentence. I think the Wii-U should have been proof to them that just releasing a mid-gen console won't work. The NX definitely needs a strong argument for why it exists, the Wii-U reveal didn't even make it clear that there was a new console.

If Ubisoft's words are anything to go by, it most definitely will not compete with Xbox and PlayStation. They'll be addressing the family market. I think that's a good thing since Sony and Microsoft aren't picking up the slack in that regard.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

They'll go full mobile.

 

[rottendevice]

I think they need a Wiimote-style gimmick to not flop. Sounds like they're not going to beat out Microsoft and Sony on horsepower.

I would like for Virtual Console to be an application on my desktop.

 

[Skittzo0413]

You can quote me on this: NX will be another Wii U.

There is literally zero reason to think Nintendo has changed their tune.

Except, ya know, all the massive, MASSIVE internal reorganization and prioritizations they've been doing over the past 3 years, not to mention their focus on combining handheld and console ecosystems in order to greatly increase their in house production capabilities, but those don't matter because reasons.

 

[deadlast]

I would love to see a more robust hand-held gaming console from Nintendo if the NX fails. I really like Nintendo's hand-held devices and having a full-blown Nintendo console in my hands would be awesome.

 

[Bots are better than you]

You can quote me on this: NX will be another Wii U.

There is literally zero reason to think Nintendo has changed their tune.

I'll predict that this quoting will already happen in this thread, starting with this post.

And if you think that Nintendo won't change anything with NX, you're expecting a century old company, that changed itself and it's products before, operating on global scale to do exactly the same things that led to their biggest failure to date?

Ahem ... lol.

 

[Moor-Angol]

6TF at the end of 2017. "Monster"

I wonder when a nintendo system will reach 6TF, maybe 2025 ?

 

[kraspkibble]

being at the same level of PS4/XB1 isn't bad. ps4/xb1 aren't going anywhere. if nintendo does get 3rd party support then the NX versions of games should be about on par with the PS4/XB1. i don't think nintendo needs to compete with Neo/Scorpio.

 

[Servbot24]

3rd parties typically make games for the market leader first (in the case of consoles, Sony and MS, in the case of handhelds, Nintendo), and port to the remainder of hardware on a level playing field. So this theory doesn't really work.


Also, you just disproved this argument spectacularly with your above statement.

Being the best out of a small group doesn't mean universally great.

That said, DS did have good support by just about any measure, indeed due to being market leader. There is definitely a line where money is a bigger motivational factor than relationships.

 

[JoeM86]

I think they need a Wiimote-style gimmick to not flop. Sounds like they're not going to beat out Microsoft and Sony on horsepower.

I would like for Virtual Console to be an application on my desktop.

That wouldn't exactly be something to sell their console though

 

[thomasmahler]

The shareholders definitely won't be happy.

 

[MuttsAndMuscles]

Everyone seems to be saying that Nintendo would try again, but I genuinely think that it would hurt the consumer base and fans to have the next console flop, too. Any faith in the brand of "Nintendo" as it pertained to consoles would be tarnished, and the few left willing to buy the NX's successor would have to proselytize pretty hard to convince even the most dedicated gaming audience to buy it. There'd be no faith left in Nintendo.

 

[Okami Haundo]

If Ubisoft's words are anything to go by, it most definitely will not compete with Xbox and PlayStation. They'll be addressing the family market. I think that's a good thing since Sony and Microsoft aren't picking up the slack in that regard.

I agree with you there for sure. They have no chance of success in trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft directly. As far as the family market goes, I saw that quote but I'm still not sure what it means. I'm hoping it doesn't translate to silly gimmicks.

 

[jbluzb]

Third party publisher and mobile games company. But I will buy the NX to support the Nintendo NX gimmick.