DouglasteR
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I believe in him.
Proofs and things that happenned are everywhere.
Proofs and things that happenned are everywhere.
This sounds like a bunch of nonsense. I don't wanna be that guy, but I was not at all an MS fan (as far as gaming) until Phil came along. When you listen to him talk, he's a real genuine dude and you can tell he wants the gaming community to succeed as a whole. I can never imagine a world where Phil would allow all this garbage Tim is speculating to actually happen.
Like whoever said it above, this is some straight chicken little type shit. MS still has a ways to go, but Phil has done a lot of fine work in earning respect from the community. He deserves to get more faith than this.
Because that is most likely the truth my friend, if we take away our bias and look at this situation objectively the facts point towards this being the case.
Xbox one they tried it, didn't get away with it, Windows 10 forced updates is just a subtle continuation of this practice, it's obvious from a business standpoint what they are trying to do at this juncture, that doesn't mean they will accomplish it however.
Don't be. I'm going to guess that a good portion of them aren't even PC gamers, and are just stanning for MS as usual like with most UWP threads. Just look at that one fucking guy on the first page and his worship of Phil Spencer.
shrug. I'll buy a steam box and go down with Gabe's sinking ship before I give more gaming money to Microsoft.
GFWL showed me everything I need to know about their business model. I would just quit PC gaming after 30 years and go all in on PlayStation and Nintendo before I bought a single game on the app store.
All this is explained by a simple word called priority.They either didn't think it through, hence the backlash on their actions, or they are intentionally trying to sabotage PC gaming to take control of it, and they don't give a fuck about the backlash.
They weren't working to anyones timetable but their own.
Would it be acceptable to publish an Xbox One game that has no access to any of Xbox Lives community features? No of course it fucking wouldn't. So why is it acceptable to do the same on the PC, other than the fact that you don't personally use the PC?
Originally Posted by RedlineRonin
This sounds like a bunch of nonsense. I don't wanna be that guy, but I was not at all an MS fan (as far as gaming) until Phil came along. When you listen to him talk, he's a real genuine dude and you can tell he wants the gaming community to succeed as a whole. I can never imagine a world where Phil would allow all this garbage Tim is speculating to actually happen.
Like whoever said it above, this is some straight chicken little type shit. MS still has a ways to go, but Phil has done a lot of fine work in earning respect from the community. He deserves to get more faith than this.
Any system is pretty secure in the hands of a capable administrator. They should definitely not take pointers from Linux.In the hands of a capable administrator Linux is pretty secure.
so anyone who believes Sweeney is a conspiracy theorist and anyone that doesn't isn't even a PC gamer and are just Microsoft shills?
Great. Makes for great discussion. Might as well be a politics thread.
Sweeney positioned himself so he cannot be wrong no matter what happens, and no matter what does or doesn't happen he successfully makes MS look either evil or incompetent. Mission accomplished, Tim.
so anyone who believes Sweeney is a conspiracy theorist and anyone that doesn't isn't even a PC gamer and are just Microsoft shills?
The Windows Store needs to be usable before anyone is convinced UWP are a better alternative.
I wouldn't be shocked if there was truth to these claims at all. I doubt it would affect Valve much though. I could see them ramping up R&D on SteamOS and it becoming the go-to platform for PC gaming if Microsoft pulled these tactics.
This sounds like a bunch of nonsense. I don't wanna be that guy, but I was not at all an MS fan (as far as gaming) until Phil came along. When you listen to him talk, he's a real genuine dude and you can tell he wants the gaming community to succeed as a whole. I can never imagine a world where Phil would allow all this garbage Tim is speculating to actually happen.
Like whoever said it above, this is some straight chicken little type shit. MS still has a ways to go, but Phil has done a lot of fine work in earning respect from the community. He deserves to get more faith than this.
Because that is most likely the truth my friend, if we take away our bias and look at this situation objectively the facts point towards this being the case.
Xbox one they tried it, didn't get away with it, Windows 10 forced updates is just a subtle continuation of this practice, it's obvious from a business standpoint what they are trying to do at this juncture, that doesn't mean they will accomplish it however.
I hope that preservation efforts ensure Win3.1, early Win95, and later tech stacks run as well in the future as DOS games do through DOSbox. "Infinite backwards compatibility, infinite forwards compatibility" is the mostly fulfilled promise of PC and that would be a disappointment to lose.
LOL, go home Tim.
Considering that Microsoft's past behavior is partially why tech-related tinfoil hat theories like this exist in the first place...
Windows 10's already been full of this behavior. Remember when an update forcibly uninstalled CCleaner, CPUid's utilities, and more a few months ago? How about the various updates that just so happened to rework all file association to default to Microsoft's programs? Even smaller things like the laptop battery warning on Windows 10 that tells users to switch to Edge for more battery life are a sign of their strategy here. And this is to say nothing of their push to force everyone on to Windows 10.
There are $55 billion reasons for Mircosoft to NOT care. There is a rather large pattern of history that shows that Mircosoft rarely if ever gives a fuck.Microsoft care about making money, they are a business, if they fear money will be lost through bad PR then their stance will change, the problem is right now they are banking on people just accepting this to be the way it is and unfortunately that has backfired for them in the past and it most certainly will backfire against them on PC if they attempt to continue trying to "wall it off"
That is the EXACT opposite of what is going on here. It's so ironic that you would even post that.
We're looking at a situation built on a lot of possibilities, with a very low threshold of factual basis. If Microsoft breaks Win32, it won't just affect Steam. They will literally undermine every aspect of their own operating system, and for what? To sell some AAA games through an app store?
This nonsense is beginning to look a lot like the political fear-mongering agendas that are rife throughout the US and Europe. We want to talk about how Microsoft launched a half-baked app store to play sandboxed AAA games through? Fair game. We want to talk about how invasive these Windows 10 install prompts have been? Fair game.
These are things that are happening, that can be documented, AND PROVED. And as someone studying to be an auditor, I am pretty amazed by some of the responses to this. You don't walk into an audit committee and say "Hey guys, I think bad things could likely be going down. There's a possibility of fraud, if we just follow a virtual pathway of possible decisions ..." You'd better be able to show some receipts.
and for what? To sell some AAA games through an app store?
How did I not hear about this? I'm very glad I stayed on Windows 7.
People are interpreting these comments as more conspiratorial, but they're actually more straightforward. Microsoft controls the operating system and has their customers on, essentially, a no opt-out automatic update schedule. Yes, if you're a super nerd and you google for half an hour you can come up with strategies to avoid or delay some updates, but basically you're going to get updated. Sweeney's claim basically boils down to the fact that MS is going to move towards deprecating certain legacy functions--something every OS maker including MS does--including stuff related to legacy executables and middleware technologies. Is it that hard to believe that by 2018, DirectX 8 or lower might not run effectively on Windows? Simultaneously, UWP applications will be supported into the future and updated by Microsoft and sold in Microsoft's store. I don't even think Sweeney thinks it's a case of someone at Microsoft being responsible for kneecapping Steam, rather that even by coincidence this is going to be an issue, and that that coincidence has positive externalities for MS. Further, MS has made it clear that the whole company is oriented around the Windows store.
I guess what I'm saying is that it might be the case that some of Sweeney's tone is a little more excitable than the banal reality, but I actually don't think his arguments will be wrong just on a strictly neutral level. I do agree that the setup in the article seems somewhat unfalsifiable so that does seem unproductive, but in good faith I think it's possible to set that aside and listen to the broader thing he's trying to say about how MS's corporate objectives not aligning with the objectives of others.
I hope that preservation efforts ensure Win3.1, early Win95, and later tech stacks run as well in the future as DOS games do through DOSbox. "Infinite backwards compatibility, infinite forwards compatibility" is the mostly fulfilled promise of PC and that would be a disappointment to lose.
Any system is pretty secure in the hands of a capable administrator. They should definitely not take pointers from Linux.
Objectively, I'd say Linux is harder than any other of OS's to keep secure.
If Microsoft breaks Win32, it won't just affect Steam. They will literally undermine every aspect of their own operating system
SteamOS can never become popular, only with a very niche audience, even if Microsoft would fuck it up (which they won't).
Why would people limit themselves to Linux gaming and a Linux OS in general?
Even smaller things like the laptop battery warning on Windows 10 that tells users to switch to Edge for more battery life
The last time he said something like this he was totally wrong so it isn't surprising.I'm really surprised so many people are so quick to write off Tim's comments. I honestly don't know, but would it surprised me if it was revealed that's what they did over the next ~5 years? Not even slightly.
Gemüsepizza;211407204 said:This is just getting sad, Jesus Christ. How can anyone honestly believe that the industry, customers and organisations like the EU will just silently watch Microsoft doing stuff like this. Hint: They won't. And Microsoft knows this. This is conspiracy level stuff.
No, its the Tim Sweeney who raised entirely legitimate concerns that were handwaved away with "wait for Build" and when Build rolled around literally none of those fucking concerns were addressed, and the handwave was replaced with "Wait for anniversary update"
So ... wait for //build/?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
Let's link just this.
Let's see if the DoJ is crazy too.
Sounds like a load of crap to me. Most obvious choice would be to ruin Chrome, and they haven't done a thing.
I don't really get your question. Why do people "limit themselves to Windows gaming and a Windows OS in general"?
SteamOS specifically, I don't know much about. However in a hypothetical situation where EA, Ubisoft and Activision start releasing their things on Linux, and NVidia and AMD start to care about Linux drivers, how would running on Linux be different from running on Windows through the 360 years? Are you going to tell me about those Microsoft's first-party exclusives which made people stay there?
Are you honestly telling me that an OS with an open source kernel is more secure than one with a kernel with whatever hidden backdoors you don't even know about? There is nothing unsecure about Linux inherently, every security measure it has is light years ahead of Windows. Is it more complicated? Yes. But it is definitely NOT less secure.
All this is explained by a simple word called priority.
No, seriously, why is it that there's always someone that thinks that everyone who disagrees with him is a shill?
MS then talked about how all these updates would be coming in the anniversary update. So, funnily enough, people then said "wait for the anniversary update" - which will be coming August 2nd. What's so hard to understand about that?
What?
That doesn't explain shit.
If you have no deadline for releasing a product, there's literally no cause to release a broken product.
W10 store is a complete fucking joke for anything more than mobile apps? Don't release things on it then.
Have improvements in mind to not make it a dumpster fire? Make those improvements before expecting paying customers to have to deal with it.
I still don't understand why anyone who is not a PC gamer feels any need whatsoever to defend Microsofts actions in the Pc gaming space, or expect that their voice should carry weight.
Why?
Honestly, why?
If you are entirely unaffected, why defend the indefensible?
I still don't understand why anyone who is not a PC gamer feels any need whatsoever to defend Microsofts actions in the Pc gaming space, or expect that their voice should carry weight.
Why?
Honestly, why?
If you are entirely unaffected, why defend the indefensible?
The thing MS need to worry about is if Google release a proper Android PC OS. Then things will get interesting. Bring steam aboard and tie it in with mobile,android wear and TV etc