No, it really, really fucking isn't. The fuck outta here with this.
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
Messy situation. Seems like the cop that was rammed thought the shots fired came from the suspect instead of fellow officers shooting at the suspect in the moving vehicle(against policy). Cops will get off scott free.
Police should rise above their cowboy power fantasies.Shouldn't be stealing cars.
His death is unfair. But an individual has to make better decisions with their life. No matter how dire the living conditions are. You gotta rise above it.
As an AA, I know the system is working against me.
Shouldn't be stealing cars.
His death is unfair. But an individual has to make better decisions with their life. No matter how dire the living conditions are. You gotta rise above it.
As an AA, I know the system is working against me.
So I get the idea about discourse and debate about polarized subjects, but is there really much purpose for some posters to come in and ignore reality and defend this shit time and time again?
Do these guys get any training?Dude, I heard shots and fucking shot at him.
I'm really being honest and open, so hopefully I'm not beaten to death for asking this. I'm honestly asking because I guess I'm too stupid to understand. I'll totally own up to being dumb on this one because I can see the tone of the thread.
How is "getting into a high speed chase" not a contributing factor to this person's death? I'm not saying that the cops aren't at fault here too, they clearly suck. But had the dude not stolen the Jaguar he would still be alive.
I'm not saying that had he calmly pulled off on the side of the road after being caught by the police that those idiot officers still might not have shot him, but getting into a chase with them probably did increase the odds of somebody doing something stupid.
:-/He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
Do these guys get any training?
You're not wrong. The thing is, we should be holding cops to a higher standard. They encounter people committing dumb crimes all the time. They put their lives at risk all the time. That doesn't excuse reckless and fucking stupid behavior like this. Ever.
The cops firing at the fleeing vehicle not only escalated the situation and could have hurt other bystanders, but they directly put their own lives and the lives of their colleagues in danger.
Do these guys get any training?
Do these guys get any training?
I'm really being honest and open, so hopefully I'm not beaten to death for asking this. I'm honestly asking because I guess I'm too stupid to understand. I'll totally own up to being dumb on this one because I can see the tone of the thread.
How is "getting into a high speed chase" not a contributing factor to this person's death? I'm not saying that the cops aren't at fault here too, they clearly suck. But had the dude not stolen the Jaguar he would still be alive.
I'm not saying that had he calmly pulled off on the side of the road after being caught by the police that those idiot officers still might not have shot him, but getting into a chase with them probably did increase the odds of somebody doing something stupid.
Do these guys get any training?
What is the point of censoring bitch ass motherfucker on the title when the first three words in the content of the OP are uncensored bitch ass motherfucker?
Yet another paid vacation coming for officers who murder an unarmed suspect instead of taking them into custody.
I hope you never get banned.He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
Do these guys get any training?
You'd imagine that an unarmed person who is running AWAY from the police doesn't pose a big enough threat to them that they need to start shooting.He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
This is actually surprising to me. Ramming three cop cars seems like it would be enough justification for them to open fire. Pretty wild that's this isn't some sort of standard, but rather varies.
Shoot first ask questions should never be the go-to course of action, regardless of if it's a high speed chase or not. The kid is unarmed, and it's already been stated that these cops broke policy and were in the wrong, but I didn't even need to be told that to know they fucked up.
Doesn't matter if the kid stole a Jaguar or not. He should stand trial and serve his time, not be killed. Cops aren't judge, jury and executioner, and they need to stop acting like they are. The law enforcement system is fucked if the punishment for stealing a car is execution, and the fact that we get stories like this on the daily isn't exactly hurting that notion.
Not just that but they didnt even realize how many they fired.Did I just witness a video where a bunch of police officers sort of sat and casually chatted about who fired shots? What the fuck?
Maybe I'm totally off the mark on this, but his punishment for stealing the car wasn't execution. The way I read it, he was shot because one idiot cop thought the kid fired a gun at him (and it turned out it was his idiot partner who started shooting). Am I misunderstanding that?
Did the kid deserve to die because he stole a car? Absolutely not.
Do I think he would be alive had he not gotten into a high speed chase? I think if he didn't run, it wouldn't have started this chain of events that ended up with someone dead.
Like I get that the cops were buffoons who misread the situation, but the situation was extremely dangerous and illegal. Had it not escalated to that point, I don't think anyone would have died.
While specifics of training vary from state to state, the police academy course in the US averages about 6 months.
In the EU it varies from country to country and I'm unable to find exact details, but from everything I heard it's several times longer, in some countries lasting up to 3 years.
Wow. General training in the Netherlands is 3 years (5000+ study hours), usually alternating 4 months in school / simulation and 4 months in the force under apprenticeship.
The one cops thought the driver was shooting, but it was actually a different officer that was shooting, who shouldn't have been according to their department protocol for shooting at vehicles if I understand properly
Maybe I'm totally off the mark on this, but his punishment for stealing the car wasn't execution. The way I read it, he was shot because one idiot cop thought the kid fired a gun at him (and it turned out it was his idiot partner who started shooting). Am I misunderstanding that?
Did the kid deserve to die because he stole a car? Absolutely not.
Do I think he would be alive had he not gotten into a high speed chase? I think if he didn't run, it wouldn't have started this chain of events that ended up with someone dead.
Like I get that the cops were buffoons who misread the situation, but the situation was extremely dangerous and illegal. Had it not escalated to that point, I don't think anyone would have died.
Yeah. And low parts to entry for them. Honestly police Academiees here should be a lor longer or do a rotation 3 months on and off for over 2 years and way more training on not needing your gun to solve issues and using their heads more.No wonder shits so bad here. Bunch of untrained people running around shooting everything in sight.
We have media events where average citizens score as well as our police in certain scenarios.
Our countries police isn't trained well.
He's young, but his death is sort of the consequences of being in a high speed chase with police officers.
How are you blind to police escalating the situation to then execute someone?
Do women wearing suggestive clothing share responsibility of they are attacked/murdered by a rapist?
I'm not condoning the kid stealing a car. You shouldn't steal cars. That's a shitty thing to do. Killing someone because they stole a car is worse, however. A car isn't equal to a life, not even remotely so. I understand what you're trying to say; obviously if the kid hadn't stolen the car he likely wouldn't have been in this situation, but that's beside the point. He did steal the car, that's the choice he made. He was unarmed, though, and running away. At no point should the cops have fired on him. They shot first and asked questions later, as they often do. That's what people are upset about.
Yeah, and that is fine. I totally agree with everything you are saying. I just was taken aback by everyone getting angry at the suggestion that stealing the car and getting into a high speed chase didn't play a role in what happened. I could be totally misreading that, and that is what I was trying to understand.
They'll definitely start dumping if the car rams a cop.No, it isn't.
Cops aren't trained to shoot at fleeing cars that aren't shooting back. This isn't Lethal Weapon.
Do I think he would be alive had he not gotten into a high speed chase? I think if he didn't run, it wouldn't have started this chain of events that ended up with someone dead.
I'm really being honest and open, so hopefully I'm not beaten to death for asking this. I'm honestly asking because I guess I'm too stupid to understand. I'll totally own up to being dumb on this one because I can see the tone of the thread.
How is "getting into a high speed chase" not a contributing factor to this person's death? I'm not saying that the cops aren't at fault here too, they clearly suck. But had the dude not stolen the Jaguar he would still be alive.
I'm not saying that had he calmly pulled off on the side of the road after being caught by the police that those idiot officers still might not have shot him, but getting into a chase with them probably did increase the odds of somebody doing something stupid.