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Video: Chicago Cops Shoot Teen and Call Him a B**** A** Motherf*****
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I'm really being honest and open, so hopefully I'm not beaten to death for asking this. I'm honestly asking because I guess I'm too stupid to understand. I'll totally own up to being dumb on this one because I can see the tone of the thread.
How is "getting into a high speed chase" not a contributing factor to this person's death? I'm not saying that the cops aren't at fault here too, they clearly suck. But had the dude not stolen the Jaguar he would still be alive.
I'm not saying that had he calmly pulled off on the side of the road after being caught by the police that those idiot officers still might not have shot him, but getting into a chase with them probably did increase the odds of somebody doing something stupid.
Thank you for being honest. I'd much rather posters just say their fine with the police state instead of all this coded victim blaming. It acknowledges that police are there to kill you for breaking the law.
Yes, to you, you should be executed for crimes without trial or any due process. And that's a fine opinion to have as its yours.
I applaud you for this honesty and hope that others can follow your example. Watching this video and the police actions/comments you can only decide that it's the consequence of a high speed chase.
Lord Morairty007
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They broke department protocol and policy. I don't see them working for Chicago PD again.
Police should rise above their cowboy power fantasies.
As a aa.
This post is pathetic. Police need to make better decisions period. It's literally their job.
onadesertedisland
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So I get the idea about discourse and debate about polarized subjects, but is there really much purpose for some posters to come in and ignore reality and defend this shit time and time again?
There should never be high speed chases,foot pursuits etc unless the person is a damn danger and immediate threat to society. They are a waste of time, high case for casualty for police, the public etc.
Honestly I'm just sick of seeing stupid policing like this damn near daily now.
these people literally see shit as black and white, there is no nuance at all to their arguements and every single time they dont see that maybe...there are better ways to get results that allow people to see a court date.
Honestly I'm just sick of seeing stupid policing like this damn near daily now.
these people literally see shit as black and white, there is no nuance at all to their arguements and every single time they dont see that maybe...there are better ways to get results that allow people to see a court date.
ClosingADoor
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Do these guys get any training?
Do people deserve to be put to death for stealing a car? What about evading arrest? What about speeding? All of these things are illegal, of course, and have a just punishment associated with them - as do all crimes, which are judged and sentenced in a court, not by a cop shooting wildly down a street in the middle of a neighborhood.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You're not wrong, that's the reality of it. Even if it was entirely unjustified.
The thing is, we should be holding cops to a higher standard. They encounter people committing dumb crimes all the time. They put their lives at risk all the time. That doesn't excuse reckless and fucking stupid behavior like this. Ever.
The cops firing at the fleeing vehicle not only escalated the situation and could have hurt other bystanders, but they directly put their own lives and the lives of their colleagues in danger. ALSO, they fucking murdered a guy and showed no remorse for it.
Big Baybee
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Is the training they receive fit for modern day policing and do they get re-trained periodically?
I think this is just as important as the initial training.
this right here. like its the fucking wild wild west. Like what the fuck were they thinking?
DontBeThatGuy
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America.
From an outside perspective, one of the most surprising things about this is just how poorly trained American police are.
I think they get an 8 week boot camp and then that is it as far as initial training is.
In the UK training is two years.
Shoot first ask questions should never be the go-to course of action, regardless of if it's a high speed chase or not. The kid is unarmed, and it's already been stated that these cops broke policy and were in the wrong, but I didn't even need to be told that to know they fucked up.
Doesn't matter if the kid stole a Jaguar or not. He should stand trial and serve his time, not be killed. Cops aren't judge, jury and executioner, and they need to stop acting like they are. The law enforcement system is fucked if the punishment for stealing a car is execution, and the fact that we get stories like this on the daily isn't exactly hurting that notion.
I think fear and adrenaline completely overrode any rational thought there, which means they need better training.
old manatee
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Sounds like they were just shooting without even having any idea what was going on.
Because I'm disinclined to cause trouble for someone casually browsing OT in a SFW environment on a Friday afternoon.
thecouncil
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"Who do I have to kill to get a vacation around here?!"
Spring-Loaded
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Princess Carl
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Looks like the perfect lack of accountability police have been fostering since their inception to facilitate the preservation of this behavior.
Cause they like it.
Cause they like it.
Pantaghana
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While specifics of training vary from state to state, the police academy course in the US averages about 6 months.
In the EU it varies from country to country and I'm unable to find exact details, but from everything I heard it's several times longer, in some countries lasting up to 3 years.
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One more thing, US courts have ruled that you can be too smart to be a cop.
Fenderputty
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This is actually surprising to me. Ramming three cop cars seems like it would be enough justification for them to open fire. Pretty wild that's this isn't some sort of standard, but rather varies.
opening fire at a MOVING vehicle, on foot, in a neighborhood is pretty fucking stupid.
Maybe I'm totally off the mark on this, but his punishment for stealing the car wasn't execution. The way I read it, he was shot because one idiot cop thought the kid fired a gun at him (and it turned out it was his idiot partner who started shooting). Am I misunderstanding that?
Did the kid deserve to die because he stole a car? Absolutely not.
Do I think he would be alive had he not gotten into a high speed chase? I think if he didn't run, it wouldn't have started this chain of events that ended up with someone dead.
Like I get that the cops were buffoons who misread the situation, but the situation was extremely dangerous and illegal. Had it not escalated to that point, I don't think anyone would have died.
Not just that but they didnt even realize how many they fired.
one cop was like "i fired one... i think."
is the adrenaline that crazy where you don't know if you even fired your weapon at all? gez.
How are you blind to police escalating the situation to then execute someone?
Do women wearing suggestive clothing share responsibility of they are attacked/murdered by a rapist?
BrassDragon
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Wow. General training in the Netherlands is 3 years (5000+ study hours), usually alternating 4 months in school / simulation and 4 months in the force under apprenticeship. Leadership, specialisation and investigative courses add about a year on top of that.
No wonder shits so bad here. Bunch of untrained people running around shooting everything in sight.
We have media events where average citizens score as well as our police in certain scenarios.
Our countries police isn't trained well.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
I'm not condoning the kid stealing a car. You shouldn't steal cars. That's a shitty thing to do. Killing someone because they stole a car is worse, however. A car isn't equal to a life, not even remotely so. I understand what you're trying to say; obviously if the kid hadn't stolen the car he likely wouldn't have been in this situation, but that's beside the point. He did steal the car, that's the choice he made. He was unarmed, though, and running away. At no point should the cops have fired on him. They shot first and asked questions later, as they often do. That's what people are upset about.
Yeah. And low parts to entry for them. Honestly police Academiees here should be a lor longer or do a rotation 3 months on and off for over 2 years and way more training on not needing your gun to solve issues and using their heads more.
As furious as I get at the multitude of aggressive drivers on the road constantly putting myself and people I care about at risk I really can't empathize with the outcome.
Nevertheless, they either:
1) Intentionally escalated the situation without justification (potentially race related)
2) Really fucked up
And should be held accountable for their actions.
LQX
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My comment wasn't meant as a celebration of his death if that is what some of you think. And I realize police officers should do more to deescalate situations rather than shoot first but if committing a crime such as high speed getaway from the police one has to think things many go very wrong. Either-way, very sorry if my comment offended anyone. I try to stay away from threads like this for this very reason as I'm not sure what to say.
commedieu, me and my wife have this thing where when a conversation gets charged, we show each other our palms to indicate that we are not trying to be passive aggressive (or just straight up aggressive) with what we are saying.
I'm raising my palms up to you right now. It would be easy to just walk away from this conversation, I really don't want to fight anyone over this. but I do want to see the opposite viewpoint and I'm really trying to understand.
I want to see the best in people, and I feel that stupidity kills more people than malevolence. I want to believe that those cops didn't wake up that morning and want to execute a man. I want to believe that they were dumb people, who wanted to be extraordinary heroes when their adrenaline started pumping.
I want to believe that had this unfortunate set of circumstances had not happened, that they would have gone the rest of their lives without killing anyone. I think they should be held completely accountable for what they did, they screwed up and shouldn't get special treatment because of their job.
I also feel that the kid shouldn't have stole the car and that having a high speed chase escalated the situation to where the only outcome was a tragic one.
Yeah, and that is fine. I totally agree with everything you are saying. I just was taken aback by everyone getting angry at the suggestion that stealing the car and getting into a high speed chase didn't play a role in what happened. I could be totally misreading that, and that is what I was trying to understand.
Yeah, the wording of that post really seemed (seems?) to imply that his unfortunate death was unavoidable due to him stealing the car and getting in a chase, rather than placing the blame on the officers' ineptitude and trigger happiness.
SapientWolf
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They'll definitely start dumping if the car rams a cop.
You have to stop right here and think about this. Somebody is dead in this chain of events because the police officers have the discipline of a dog chasing cars on the street. We have to question why, in this chain of events, the police officers are a chaotic and violent element, arguably as much as a fleeing car.
Velcro Fly
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Live in the Chicago media market so I heard about this a while ago
CPD rolling through that neighborhood like fuckin' Rambo
Just awful
CPD rolling through that neighborhood like fuckin' Rambo
Just awful
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Breaking the law shouldn't "contribute" to a death sentence.
That's not how the justice system is supposed to work.
King Gilga
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I read the censoring as Bad Ass Motherfucker.
Shame.
Shame.
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