What is it with Feminist Frequency that triggers people and causes them to act like complete asses?
I dont even know. Its a damned REVIEW, and yet people lose their shit at anything remotely dealing with FF.
What is it with Feminist Frequency that triggers people and causes them to act like complete asses?
What is it with Feminist Frequency that triggers people and causes them to act like complete asses?
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
Yep. The funniest is when people come in to a thread, like this one earlier and post "triggered jokes". The irony is tough to wade through.It's a terrible reminder that this site has plenty of awful people on it. They just don't typically have a stage upon which to spout their nonsense. It is baffling that they apparently think that sort of thing will be met without resistance though.
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
Thanks for the link.
Sounds like a lot of my fears about the themes and comparisons being little more than window dressing were well founded. At least the gameplay should still be as impeccable as Human Revolution's.
Nice, thank you for that.
No problem, I always forget it's thereThanks! I can read this over lunch. The story is the one thing holding me back from a purchase right now, so I want to know as much as I can.
FemFreq is doing much needed work.Damn, this is a really great review by Petit. I wish more reviews would actually deal with the themes of the games they review and take them to task on whether or not they properly execute on their goals.
Great youtube channel. No ratings and comments. They sure encourage conversations between users.
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
However, the most significant problem with Mankind Divideds narrative is the way in which it fails to take a stand on very clear issues of moral principle. The big question looming over humanity in the game is whether or not the UN should pass the Human Restoration Act, a piece of legislation which would lead to the global segregation of augmented people. Some countries have already started relocating augmented people into ghettos, and those that remain in cities like Prague are now asked to show their papers, while cops can be heard talking openly about their desire to kill augs on sight.
Emblematic of the games unwillingness to take a stand is the way it positions a group called ARC, or the Augmented Rights Coalition. Posters in the game that include the words Augmented Lives Matter explicitly link ARC to the contemporary American civil rights movement, Black Lives Matter, which arose in response to the very real, widespread, systematic dehumanization and murder of black people by police. It is simply outrageous for Mankind Divided to appropriate the language of this vital and necessary social justice movement for its own narrative, which has no moral backbone whatsoever, and to apply that language to a fictional organization that, like everything else in the world of Deus Ex, is neither just nor unjust, but resides somewhere in between.
The game raises real-world issues about which there are very clear things to say, and then it refuses to say anything about them.
The game raises real-world issues about which there are very clear things to say, and then it refuses to say anything about them. It has to take place in an entire world of moral ambiguity, where everything is painted in shades of gray, where the oppressors and the oppressed are all bad and neither side is entirely wrong or right.
Cool to have a review that discusses these themes, but not sure I agree with her arguments.
Would she have been happy if the augs were clearly presented as the good guys in every situation? That sounds kinda... less interesting. Sure, some of the real-life oppressions the game draws from shouldn't be framed as "both sides", but it's still a fictional story. People can make the distinction.
Haven't watched the review yet but did the words "white", "male", "privilege(d)" and "patriarchy" pop up? That's usually the case with 3rd wave feminism.
Sure but they shouldn't have used BLM and Apartheid.Cool to have a review that discusses these themes, but not sure I agree with her arguments.
Would she have been happy if the augs were clearly presented as the good guys in every situation? That sounds kinda... less interesting. Sure, some of the real-life oppressions the game draws from shouldn't be framed as "both sides", but it's still a fictional story. People can make the distinction.
imo if they had just skipped the connection to BLM it would've been fine, just a bit lazy that way as it evokes the language without thinking of the possible impact of doing so.Cool to have a review that discusses these themes, but not sure I agree with her arguments.
Would she have been happy if the augs were clearly presented as the good guys in every situation? That sounds kinda... less interesting. Sure, some of the real-life oppressions the game draws from shouldn't be framed as "both sides", but it's still a fictional story. People can make the distinction.
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
imo if they had just skipped the connection to BLM it would've been fine, just a bit lazy that way as it evokes the language without thinking of the possible impact of doing so.
The aug situation is quite different to the issues facing people of colour in our universe so to borrow candidly and then attach such phrases to a murky sort-of terrorist organisation is a bit careless.
Deus Ex MANkind Divided- Triggered
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
Review was pretty good.
I don't agree With Carolyn on her point about the "misstep" of trying to link the Augs situation to contemporary, real events though. She points out that Augs have been shown to be a threat - people fear them, and so it's a different situation.
First I don't necessarily think that not lining up 100% with reality is a necessity here. More importantly, I think she's wrong in terms of history anyway. Very often it is BECAUSE a group is feared in some way or another, with rational reasons or not, that they are scapegoated and discriminated against.
From growing economic/political power of Jews in pre WWII Germany (and well, every else - there was a lot of anti-semitism back them... well, through most of history actually), to the very well established fear of black youths from the police, and the fear of black and other minority groups having more political say in the US, in South Africa, etc. To active terrorism from other groupslike say those who claim to represent the Palestinian cause, etc.
It's more video-game-y, cut and dry here, what with the "event" and all, but fear, irrational or otherwise has always had a hand in movements to marginalize or descriminate or intimidate or exterminate a minority. Not always though of course. Cristopher Columbus was simply the biggest ass-hat ever, for example.
Great review though, food for thought.
Great review.
The story sounds like the "both sides" guys wet dream.
This just tells me that Eidos Montreal are "both sides" bullshitters who appropriate actual civil rights movements without due recognition (to outright straight denial) and don't even support the same movements from which they profit from.
And they had plenty of time to adjust their narrative seeing how the criticisms already came over a year ago. Too bad Eidos Montreal doubled down.
I don't agree With Carolyn on her point about the "misstep" of trying to link the Augs situation to contemporary, real events though. She points out that Augs have been shown to be a threat - people fear them, and so it's a different situation.
Review was pretty good.
I don't agree With Carolyn on her point about the "misstep" of trying to link the Augs situation to contemporary, real events though. She points out that Augs have been shown to be a threat - people fear them, and so it's a different situation.
First I don't necessarily think that not lining up 100% with reality is a necessity here. More importantly, I think she's wrong in terms of history anyway. Very often it is BECAUSE a group is feared in some way or another, with rational reasons or not, that they are scapegoated and discriminated against.
From growing economic/political power of Jews in pre WWII Germany (and well, every else - there was a lot of anti-semitism back them... well, through most of history actually), to the very well established fear of black youths from the police, and the fear of black and other minority groups having more political say in the US, in South Africa, etc. To active terrorism from other groupslike say those who claim to represent the Palestinian cause, etc.
It's more video-game-y, cut and dry here, what with the "event" and all, but fear, irrational or otherwise has always had a hand in movements to marginalize or descriminate or intimidate or exterminate a minority. Not always though of course. Cristopher Columbus was simply the biggest ass-hat ever, for example.
Great review though, food for thought.
It's pretty much a textbook example of how to tie fiction to real social issues in the most irresponsible and ignorant way possible
What is it with Feminist Frequency that triggers people and causes them to act like complete asses?
The problem is that the Augs do "bad things" in the game, thus running into the Bioshock Infinite of "Both Sides" stance where the oppressed are just as bad as the oppressors.
The 'Both Sides' and 'Oppressed people' narratives are not equal or comparable to what e.g. non-white and especially Black people face under white supremacy. The structurally and historically marginalized do not possess much power and more often than not they are painted as aggressive and evil (like you mention yourself with your examples). This leads to the nadir of being neutral in a situation of oppression because of some incorrect belief that oppressed people also do bad things, therefore neither the oppressed or the oppressor should be supported or condoned since they're supposedly equal.
This narrative of 'Both Sides' legitimize inaction and is seen again and again and again and reminds me of MLK's Letters from Birmingham Jail. It's a cop-out for a game that tries to tackle complex issues of oppression and it feeds into the larger myth of being neutral in the face of oppression.
It's always the Hitman example, every single time... At this point, I'm not willing to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who uses it anymore.Not an excuse to behave like a dickhead but I do see how people view Feminist Frequency as somewhat biased an reaching for points just to make a statement. Which is a shame because they do bring up valid points but those then often stand in the shadow.
The video "Women as Background Decoration" comes to my mind, there is all kinds of questionable arguments the presenter makes, especially this part where the presenter suggests that the game Hitman encourages players to abuse women and drag them around while naked to pleasure the perverse sexual fantasy of the player.
If anyone wants to read the review so they don't see video footage for spoilers, a transcript is available here.
Carolyn Petit works for Feminist Frequency.
Interesting, guess quit gamespot?
Carolyn Petit works for Feminist Frequency.
Interesting, guess quit gamespot?
I believe she was laid off a while back.
Please continue, governorNot an excuse to behave like a dickhead but I do see how people view Feminist Frequency as somewhat biased an reaching for points just to make a statement. Which is a shame because they do bring up valid points but those then often stand in the shadow.
The video "Women as Background Decoration" comes to my mind, there is all kinds of questionable arguments the presenter makes, especially this part where the presenter suggests that the game Hitman encourages players to abuse women and drag them around while naked to pleasure the perverse sexual fantasy of the player.
Man the story really sounds like shit. I don't remember Human Revolution's story that well but I don't feel it painted eveything as grey.