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This Black Musician Explains Why He is Friends With White Supremacists

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ElectricBlanketFire

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Is this for real?
 
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ghostofsparta

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I remember this. It's quite old

If I remember correctly, he gained respect of the KKK by explaining that blacks aren't mass murderers and pointed out the demographics of people who commit mass murders in the US
 
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crisdecuba

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ghostofsparta said:
I remember this. It's quite old

If I remember correctly, he gained respect of the KKK by explaining that blacks aren't mass murderers and pointed out the demographics of people who commit mass murders in the US
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Hmm that's a pretty simplistic (and inaccurate?) summary, no? It wasn't demographic information that affected change so much as it was the relationships he formed and maintained.
 
entremet

entremet

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You have freedom of association.

It's his choice.

Personally, I think life is too short to waste my time with unrepentant bigots.
 
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The Kree

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crisdecuba said:
I agree it may not be the standard but it also sounds like you're dismissing the guy's efforts.
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It's a valid point. For every white supremacist he destroys, guys like Donald Trump and Milo Yiannopoulos create a thousand more. Noble work, but at the end of the day he's not doing shit but maybe securing a spot in heaven.
 
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Massive Duck. C.M.

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crisdecuba said:
I agree it may not be the standard but it also sounds like you're dismissing the guy's efforts.

Source?
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They didn't show or say anything about people quitting the Klan in the video, which is what I'm talking about

And for the most part the people in the video seemed to have more of a grudging acceptance than any epiphany. The part with the cop uniform and robe side by side and the bit with the Klansman having more respect for "this black man than you white nigger" stood out more than anything
 
stufte

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Slayven said:
Good for him. But I personally see no value in befriending terrorists.
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He's doing things the hard way for sure, winning hearts and minds kinda stuff. More value in what he's doing though compared to complaining about shit on facebook with a meme.
 
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Mesousa

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Dude is the textbook definition of a coon.

He spits in the face of EVERY person, with blacker faces than his, terrorized and murdered by KKK thugs.
 
Roxkis_ii

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entremet said:
You have freedom of association.

It's his choice.

Personally, I think life is too short to waste my time with unrepentant bigots.
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Hate begets hate, but the love overpowers the hate by twos.

I'm making an assumption here, but I don't think most white supremacists know any black people, so I think exposing then to a black person may help them realize that we have things in common, and that we're human too.
 
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PlayALLtheGames

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Davis tells Fusion's Kim Brooks why forming relationships with white supremacists has lead to a greater understanding of race in America.
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But...it hasn't.

I mean I understand the method, in theory, but it doesn't work.

Roxkis said:
Hate begets hate, but the love overpowers the hate by twos.

I'm making an assumption here, but I don't think most white supremacists know any black people, so I think exposing then to a black person may help them realize that we have things in commons, and that we're human too.
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That's not the issue though. The core issue of white supremacy is not that black people aren't human. In fact, many will say it has nothing to do with black (or non white) people at all. The issue is that white culture is demonized and white people are becoming the oppressed and all that shit. Knowing black people and even liking them doesn't resolve that at all. It's also about numbers. They don't want to be the minority. You could get a white supremacist to admit that every non-white person in America is actually a pretty nice guy/girl, but they'd still say, "There are too many of them" because of immigration, etc. So, admitting that they're human or that we have things in common also doesn't resolve the underlying problem (as they see it).
 
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Slayven

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Roxkis said:
Hate begets hate, but the love overpowers the hate by twos.

I'm making an assumption here, but I don't think most white supremacists know any black people, so I think exposing then to a black person may help them realize that we have things in commons, and that we're human too.
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You believe that I got a burned down church to sell you
 
stufte

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Slayven said:
But he isn't, they just think he is a " good one"
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Changing perceptions takes time, I don't agree that he's just a token "good one" and that's it. People can change, I truly believe that. If I'm wrong then there's no reason to ever have a dialogue with anyone ever about anything contentious.
 
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Slayven

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stufte said:
Changing perceptions takes time, I don't agree that he's just a token "good one" and that's it. People can change, I truly believe that. If I'm wrong then there's no reason to ever have a dialogue with anyone ever about anything contentious.
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Lynching people and burning children deserves a dialogue beyond " don't do that"?

Fuck that
 
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Nokagi

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This is complicated. But I guess if he can turn even one person away from the hate it would have been worth it to him and I can respect that.
 
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Shredderi

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Slayven said:
Lynching people and burning children deserves a dialogue beyond " don't do that"?

Fuck that
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He's not actually saying that, and you know it. But yeah I'm sceptic about the widespread gains of this. I mean I fully believe that he can get through to a few people, but more than that? I just don't believe it, sadly.
 
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Massive Duck. C.M.

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There's a psychologically interesting aspect to what he does, but I don't think it's fair to expect all black people to take similar actions. I'm sure he's also had to deal with a fair amount of shit along the way
 
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HStallion

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Hey if the guy can even get one person to truly change their ways and quit the clan he has done a lot in my eyes. He won't change the world nor should everyone have to do it this way but that isn't the point. Also people calling this guy a coon don't see the irony in that?
 
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smurfx

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Slayven said:
But he isn't, they just think he is a " good one"
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he allows them to say they aren't against minorities but are only standing up for white people. it's the same bullshit they have been trying to pass off for a long time and this guy is helping them on that front.
 
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crisdecuba

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HStallion said:
Hey if the guy can even get one person to truly change their ways and quit the clan he has done a lot in my eyes. He won't change the world nor should everyone have to do it this way but that isn't the point. Also people calling this guy a coon don't see the irony in that?
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Agreed 100%. Really changing someone's mind takes relationship, persistence, and patience (I'm regurgitating the conclusion of a podcast that examined what it takes to persuade people to change long held beliefs), and this guy is putting in that effort with many people. While certainly not a standard to demand of everyone, it is certainly laudable and shouldn't be dismissed, diminished, or demeaned.
 
JordanN

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If the KKK gained power tomorrow, they would be the first to turn on that guy.

Don't trust those clowns as far as you can throw them.
 
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TheYanger

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Slayven said:
Zebra doesn't change it spots, the same hate that keeps it going , same hate that killed these little girls

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and still claiming lives

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By this logic, literally every person on the planet is a terrorist. Every religion has people that have done horrible things, ever race has people that have done horrible things, I don't believe in unequivocally condemning individuals that haven't done horrible things just because groups (that they probably grew up into rather than seriously considered the ramifications of joining as a cognizant adult) they belong to do horrible things.

You're saying a blood or a crip could never be rehabilitated into a normal citizen because of that affiliation, and I believe that's just as bullshit. It doesn't mean I forgive the person that actually murdered 5 other people or who burned down a church, it means the vast majority who belong to those organizations haven't actually done any of that in the first place.

People can keep murdering each other, but that only grows the hatred, what this guy is doing is lessening it - yeah it deosn't work on everyone, maybe even most people, but it isn't making anything worse for them and is making things better between the ones it works with. The logic of "WE CANT HAVE PEACE" is the same logic that makes supremecists dismiss BLM. You're saying the same shit.
 
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Slayven

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crisdecuba said:
Agreed 100%. Really changing someone's mind takes relationship, persistence, and patience (I'm regurgitating the conclusion of a podcast that examined what it takes to persuade people to change long held beliefs), and this guy is putting in that effort with many people. While certainly not a standard to demand of everyone, it is certainly laudable and shouldn't be dismissed, diminished, or demeaned.
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I meh at, hanging out with the oppressor doesn't impress me. Now folks like Tim Wise, that is somebody i will sing the praises till the end of time.

TheYanger said:
By this logic, literally every person on the planet is a terrorist. Every religion has people that have done horrible things, ever race has people that have done horrible things, I don't believe in unequivocally condemning individuals that haven't done horrible things just because groups (that they probably grew up into rather than seriously considered the ramifications of joining as a cognizant adult) they belong to do horrible things.

You're saying a blood or a crip could never be rehabilitated into a normal citizen because of that affiliation, and I believe that's just as bullshit. It doesn't mean I forgive the person that actually murdered 5 other people or who burned down a church, it means the vast majority who belong to those organizations haven't actually done any of that in the first place.
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Do you not know what the KKK is?

It was started by Confederates mad they lose the war to keep black people enslaved. They don hoods like cowards and continued to terrorize black people for over a century. It was started by evil, to do evil, and continue to do evil. If you belong to it you are evil. None of these people have shown any regret or interest in changing their ways. I am not going to give you the credit until you put in the work

And i suggest you read up on crips and the bloods, your analogy is bullshit.
 
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