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Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen

shockdude

Member
Got a Vizio D50-D1 over the Black Friday weekend.
1080p, 26.5ms input lag, good motion clarity and contrast, and cheap. It's an excellent budget gaming TV to pair with a gaming laptop and a PS3, and I'm very happy with it.
Only downside is that the speakers are crap, there's an audible hole around 500Hz which makes dialogue really hard to hear. Might have to get speakers or a soundbar later.
 
Yep...was looking at that earlier. Seems like you get what you pay for.

RGBW panels suck ass.

And this:

uh6150-uniformity-large.jpg

Ouch.
 
I currently have the LG 43uh6030, and it's a great set seeing it for the first time. However when I go to a white screen, it seems like the sides look darker than what's in the middle. This is especially annoying when I play something like NHL 17. Is this something that's specific to this panel?

I'm thinking of returning this TV and spending a bit extra for the 43" x800d.
 

b0bbyJ03

Member
So, who has the best price on a 65" E6? Prefer a reputable seller.

Cleveland Plasma?

They don't have the best price on the internet but they have the best price out of the reputable sites. I purchased my B6 from them and it was a very smooth transaction. I would recommend.
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
So I'm sure a few people are going to get a laugh out of this, but I didn't think it was fair to keep silent about it considering how I got a lot of honest and helpful advice in this thread.

Despite my numerous grumblings and ignorance, I might end up keeping the LG E6 over the KS8000. Ironically (or precisely because of), I reconsidered things after the LG sold on eBay for precisely the amount I paid for it, which would have been a big relief on my part.

In fairness, I probably wouldn't have come to this conclusion had I not experienced the KS8000 myself: after learning to dial down the contrast and embrace other presets besides Dynamic, I decided to apply what I learned back to the E6. Not only was I less anal about the screen not being ultra bright (since my eyes adjusted to the settings on the KS8000), but I didn't notice the ABL as much if at all. Fired up a few anime intros, played a little Transformers Devastation, basically anything with a lot of color and effects to see if the dimming was still frequent. About the only time I did notice was in Killing Floor 2 when using the flamethrower, but that might be mitigated further with a few other tweaks.

So I'm thinking of taking one more day and switching over from the KS8000 to the E6 to play some selected content, but so far I'm leaning heavily toward keeping the OLED: the benefits are hard to ignore, including stuff like FFXV and other 4K material looking noticeably more detailed, the pure blacks without a single hint of clouding, the passive 3D and even dolby vision (if that ever becomes a trend). Even the smaller size is a non-factor, as I noticed no difference in my living space between a 55' and a 60' TV.

Either way, I'll be making my choice by tomorrow. Since I have to stop by Best Buy anyway (to pick up my Zelda Amiibos), I'll either return the KS8000 or drop off the OLED at UPS.

What could help me in making a more definitive choice is nailing down some of the recommended settings on the OLED. I basically want to know what's best for HDR and non-HDR content, primarily for games but also movies. If I recall, max contrast and Dynamic Contrast at either medium or below are ideal for HDR content. I'm also wondering about Dynamic Color and especially Black Level: I was watching the newest Death Stranding trailer, and noticed that due to the Black Level, I couldn't make out Del Toro at all when he was inside the tunnel. But people tend to leave this on? If that's so then maybe another setting is conflicting with the picture.

oh lordy.

So here's what you do:

Go buy yourself a calibration disc. Disney WOW, DVE, etc. Or download patterns, whatever.

Hook it up.

Calibrate ISF Bright Room with the lights in the room on / normal.
Calibrate ISF Dark Room with the lights off (or dim lighting)

Use HDR Standard or Game for HDR (you can't really mess with these too much as the calibration flows aren't totally handle-able by users right now)

Dynamic Contrast - off
Super Resolution - Off
Color Gamut - Normal
Edge Enhancer - Off
Sharpness: Zero

Gamma / White Balance will be determined in the calibration

You'll be way closer to correct by just doing that than you are now. Hell, even if you don't calibrate with a disc and just use factory out of the box ISF Bright / ISF Dark, you'll be close.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
what are the best demo UHD blurays? Got a cheap Xbox one S and although I doubt I'll buy many, I might try a few pretty ones.
 

Weevilone

Member
what are the best demo UHD blurays? Got a cheap Xbox one S and although I doubt I'll buy many, I might try a few pretty ones.

I'm always hearing Pacific Rim. I haven't had time to watch them but picked up several during BF specials. I grabbed a few 3D too. That new Finding Dory in 3D was really nice looking. The Force Awakes 3D is amazing as well.

Edit: Was thinking you had OLED but now not sure. To be clear, I was doing this for my LG E6.
 

Reallink

Member
I just bought a low end 4k "HDRpro" LG and can't seem to find any valuable info on it. Anyone own a 55UH6150? Was dirt cheap and couldn't resist. Would love to know if it actually supports "true" HDR.

Forget the faux-HDR, it's not even true 4K. The 6150's use a WRGB pixel structure that substitutes a White subpixel for either the R, G, or B in each trio. With colored material, this represents a 25-33% resolution loss (so they're technically 3K displays or less). It's "legal" to sell them as 4K because the standards resolution patterns are black and white (which it passes), not color
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
what are the best demo UHD blurays? Got a cheap Xbox one S and although I doubt I'll buy many, I might try a few pretty ones.

Star Trek Into Darkness is a bad film, but it's IMAX sequences I think are the most impressive disc based thing I've seen
 

Clockwork

Member
Anyone here ever had AGS Systems handle shipping of their TV? I ordered a TV and bluray player last week from Samsung and they used AGS to ship here to Everett, WA. Looking at the tracking details, the last 2 entries from 2 days ago are "Arrived at HUB SEA" (which I'm guessing means arrived at Seattle), and "Status: Recovered at Destination".

What does the last one mean? I keep reading that I'm supposed to receive a call or something to schedule final delivery but I haven't heard anything from them yet. I tried multiple times yesterday calling their support number, at random hours and all I keep getting is "support is busy handling other customers".

Call them. They probably don't have your phone number to schedule a delivery appointment because Samsung (in all their genius) doesn't transmit that to them.
 

Belmire

Member
Forget the faux-HDR, it's not even true 4K. The 6150's use a WRGB pixel structure that substitutes a White subpixel for either the R, G, or B in each trio. With colored material, this represents a 25-33% resolution loss (so they're technically 3K displays or less). It's "legal" to sell them as 4K because the standards resolution patterns are black and white (which it passes), not color

Thanks for the info, very much appreciated. I was expecting a catch, but I'm still happy with it, as it was under 750 CAD.
 

ss_lemonade

Member
Call them. They probably don't have your phone number to schedule a delivery appointment because Samsung (in all their genius) doesn't transmit that to them.

Wait, so if I never follow up, what would happen? Do they just deliver and leave the TV outside? Anyway, I'm trying to call their support line again but this time, I just get a busy line. Why is it so hard to get in touch with them T_T

EDIT:
Was able to contact the local office here and they still haven't received the TV, despite tracking saying that it should have arrived 2 days.

What the heck.. well at least they have my contact number and will call me immediately once they get it.
 
Anyone have experience with the LG 43UH6030 and PS4. I'm not really a huge TV enthusiast and I'm willing to accept flaws given the price, but I'm just wondering if the the HDR mode is decent.
 

Mediatik

Member
Common guys help me any input or review on the 65x850d I just got a massive deal at Best Buy on it because of a pricing error it's in my living room still in the box .. please advise
 

Lexxism

Member
Common guys help me any input or review on the 65x850d I just got a massive deal at Best Buy on it because of a pricing error it's in my living room still in the box .. please advise
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d

1080p @ 60Hz Show Help : 34.6 ms
1080p With Interpolation Show Help : 68.7 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode Show Help : 71.2 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 34.6 ms
4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 57.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 57.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : 57.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : 57.4 ms
 

KillGore

Member
So I have a question. What refresh rate do OLED panels have? Is that even a thing on OLEDs? I know it was big on LED and not so much on plasma. For example 120Hz, 240Hz?

Edit: I'm aware the whole refresh rate thing is kind of misleading and fishy.
 

dallow_bg

nods at old men
Why would you pay 4000 for their 55 E6 when best buy has it for 2500?

I must be missing something.

Where are you even seeing their price for the E6?
Doesn't matter though, you have to email or call him for their real price.

Last I heard a 65" C6 was at or under $2500 shipped. BB is $3K plus tax.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I'm always hearing Pacific Rim. I haven't had time to watch them but picked up several during BF specials. I grabbed a few 3D too. That new Finding Dory in 3D was really nice looking. The Force Awakes 3D is amazing as well.

Edit: Was thinking you had OLED but now not sure. To be clear, I was doing this for my LG E6.

Sony 55XD9305 - the OLEDs were tempting but even the Sony was a challenge to squeeze past the wife (I upgrade far too often if I'm honest), and £1350 for the Sony vs £1900 for the B6 wasn't a bridgable gap

Pacific rim is a bit of a guilty pleasure movie for me so that could be good
 

Weevilone

Member
Sony 55XD9305 - the OLEDs were tempting but even the Sony was a challenge to squeeze past the wife (I upgrade far too often if I'm honest), and £1350 for the Sony vs £1900 for the B6 wasn't a bridgable gap

Pacific rim is a bit of a guilty pleasure movie for me so that could be good

It's a guilty pleasure for me too. I bought both the 3D and the UHD now.. I picked up a bunch of UHD and 3D disks over the past couple weeks.. and most of it I already had on Blu-ray. I was waiting for the wife to say something as she perused the recent Amazon purchases, and all she said was "why'd you get the new Big Bang Theory season when we aren't even close to watching the ones we already have?".. That's when I knew I was golden.
 

Evo X

Member
what are the best demo UHD blurays? Got a cheap Xbox one S and although I doubt I'll buy many, I might try a few pretty ones.

During the Best Buy BF sale, I picked up The Revenant, Pacific Rim, Mad Max, Batman v Superman, and Man of Steel.

I'd probably rank impressiveness in that order.
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
During the Best Buy BF sale, I picked up The Revenant, Pacific Rim, Mad Max, Batman v Superman, and Man of Steel.

I'd probably rank impressiveness in that order.

oh yeah, Revenant is definitely one of the most impressive.

also some older movies looking amazing too. The Ghostbusters re-releases look like film. Exceptional
 

KaoticBlaze

Member
I think I am going to go pull the trigger on that 55in C6 today. An extra grand for the 65in might be a little too much for my wallet, as amazing as I am sure the 65in would look in my house.
 
Just poked my head into our local Super-Fi and had a look at the E6 on display.

Man, if there really isn't much difference between that and the B6 I may have to bite the bullet if the B drops under £1800 over Christmas.
 

KaoticBlaze

Member
So I did it... came home with the LG 55C6P. But I am having issues with the HDMI arc on my Sony sound bar. Arc ran fine on my Samsung TV and I made sure to have a high speed HDMI cable. But for some weird reason when i switch the LG tv sound output to external speakers, it works for a few seconds then it automatically switches itself back to the tv speakers. Anyone with an LG have this issue that can help me please?

Other than that, the tv is gorgeous. Have played a few 4k youtube videos to test it out and it looks absolutely amazing. Havent tested it with any games yet on the PS4 Pro since I've been trying to deal with this sound bar issue.

I would appreciate any help. Thanks!
 

Geneijin

Member
Just poked my head into our local Super-Fi and had a look at the E6 on display.

Man, if there really isn't much difference between that and the B6 I may have to bite the bullet if the B drops under £1800 over Christmas.
There isn't much of a difference. Not enough of one if you just want to own an LG OLED frankly. Plus, you can use the extra money you'll save to invest in another future OLED down the line... I myself wish Panasonic would bring their TX-65CZ952B to the U.S. :(
 
Hi guys, cross posting from the Sony X800D thread:

I'm having a weird issue with HDMI Port 3 of my X800d. Sometimes when I load something up on it there's a ton of purple artifacts and rapid disconnects. About 25% of the time a switch to the input this will occur, 75% of the time everything is fine. My initial reaction was that this was a bad HDMI cable, but I've tried multiple cables and ports and it's definitely the port. This only happens with a 4k device either my Ps4 Pro or my PC, 1080p devices are always fine on this port no matter what. If I restart the TV after this happens the port works absolutely fine again, 4k/60fps/4:4:4 with no issues at all.

If it were happening all the time I'd just say it was a faulty port, but it isnt all the time. Also, if I go to the input and things are good, it will stay good no matter how long I'm on the input. Likewise, if I go to it and it's bad and artifacting, it will remain that way. This only triggers when switching to the input. Has anyone else gotten something like this? Does anyone have any suggestions?

The inconsistency of it is making me think it's a software issue rather than hardware. Bad firmware update maybe?
 

Clockwork

Member
I know my last post said I was unhappy in some aspects of my KS8000 compared to my 2014 Vizio P series with FALD, but I am at least happy I got a good panel without bleed/clouding (excluding the complaint I have when backlight is jacked to 20 for HDR most apparent in letterboxing)


 
I know my last post said I was unhappy in some aspects of my KS8000 compared to my 2014 Vizio P series with FALD, but I am at least happy I got a good panel without bleed/clouding (excluding the complaint I have when backlight is jacked to 20 for HDR most apparent in letterboxing)
Is your panel an FA or AA panel?
 
If any of you are looking for a good showcase of your shiny new OLED and you have a PS4 Pro, definitely try Rez. It's like it was made for it (lots of strong colours on black backgrounds)
 

Kyoufu

Member
Rumours flying that Sony will be unveiling their OLED TV at CES in January.

I'm pretty hyped to see what they'll be doing with it in terms of processing.
 

Rbk_3

Member
Common guys help me any input or review on the 65x850d I just got a massive deal at Best Buy on it because of a pricing error it's in my living room still in the box .. please advise

If you don't care about shitty black levels and don't care that it doesn't do real HDR keep it, but the KS8000 is a much better TV for not that much more money.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
Rumours flying that Sony will be unveiling their OLED TV at CES in January.

I'm pretty hyped to see what they'll be doing with it in terms of processing.

Was about to consider upgrading my Non-HDR 4K set this holiday(assuming HDR is actually worth it), but will just wait to see what is in store at CES for 2017 instead.
 
Rumours flying that Sony will be unveiling their OLED TV at CES in January.

I'm pretty hyped to see what they'll be doing with it in terms of processing.
Excited for OLED progress. Also love that manufacturers are increasingly aware of importance of low lag as a selling-point. Hope to be pleasantly surprised by lower than expected prices.
Who am I kidding?

I'm not really about the whole version/panel lottery garbage, but it is an FA01.
Thanks. I had pretty bad top and bottom light bleed on my 65" AA panel. I don't have any feelings on it either way, because I simply don't have the data to form such an opinion. But more data is always good.

Also, looks like Samsung is once again up on perksatwork, though the prices aren't as low as they were in November. $930 and $1280 for the KS8000 55" and 65" respectively.
 

poodpick

Member
Rumours flying that Sony will be unveiling their OLED TV at CES in January.

I'm pretty hyped to see what they'll be doing with it in terms of processing.

Hopefully there's a big focus on input lag from them. I wonder how big the difference in picture will be between LG and Sony because of software and chipset.
 

Calibur

Member
Hey i'm currently on a hunt for a new monitor between 24" 27" with a resolution 2560 x 1440 and TV tuner with built in freeview, because i want it to function as a Monitor and TV, what could you recommend me?
 
Hopefully there's a big focus on input lag from them. I wonder how big the difference in picture will be between LG and Sony because of software and chipset.

I've said it once, I'll say it again, LG are a bad TV manufacturer with an excellent TV technology, Sony, Panasonic, possibly Samsung will batter LG out of the park.
 
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