I don't give a shit about Windows on phones but the prospect of being able to run it on dirt cheap mass produced ARM based mini-pcs sounds pretty great to me. The current generation of Intel based devices are fine but ARM based devices are generally much cheaper.
MS is accelerating Windows on ARM development because Intel threw in the towel on Atom brand in 2016. MS has already been enjoying marketshare growth via $100 Atom based x86 tablets.
ARM versions won't be much cheaper than $100 Atom SOC tablets. But it will ensure that ultra low cost segment isn't going to be jeopardized by earnings and profits fluctuations of one line of products from one hardware vendor (Intel).
That's not right. Lots of WP8 devices weren't upgraded to 10. The only ones that were was the 730/735, 640/XL, 830, 930 and 1520. The rest like the 520, 920, 1020 etc. all stayed on 8.1. It was only a select bunch that got W10M.
hm, growth in Chinese-only devices, most manufacturers dropped their cheap tablets since they could not make money on them despite Microsoft giving away Windows licenses and Intel going all the way down with the pricing.
This is for latest flagship Snapdragon 835, so they wont be cheap. Emulation will likely be way worse than on laptop but at the same time who cares. Point is being able to do some work if needed, not doing it all the time.
I assume this is for things like Surface phone, but even more for premium tablets and things like laptops competing with Chrome OS.
It might require the top of the line ARM SOC today to run Windows, but in 5 years, the low end ARM SOCs will be able to do the same.
Yup that's almost certainly the long term play.
Also, don't count Intel out yet. Did you know that Intel once made their own line of ARM SoCs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale
If this x86 on ARM thing takes off, I'd expect Intel to move in, just like they changed horses from Itanium to AMD64 when it became clear that AMD64 was going to win the 64-bit wars...
This isn't true IMO, like at all. I know organizations with 100's of thousands PCs who are very close to finishing their Windows 10 testing. It's one of the more popular versions of Windows that is being welcomed by end users and administrators...except that most enterprises refuse to touch Windows 10 with a 10-foot pole because all the UI changes will confuse everyone..
My Dell x50v was running at 512MHz. It was a beast. I sill have it (not sure about charging cable though).I use to have an XScale device actually. I was like '206MHz?!? gotdam this thing is fast!!!' lolz
LOL, I just remembered that I spent like $1200 back in 2010 on a used Fujitsu P1620D, an 8.9" LCD 1.2GHz U7600 Core 2 Duo Windows UMPC with a resistive single point touch screen.
Now days, you can pick up a $100 7" tablet that runs Windows 10 with multitouch and Atom. And the Atom SOC DESTROYS that ULV Core 2 Duo!
I'm not sure I want steam to put even more toss on it's service :3Real Steam client on smartphone?
My dudes
Remember Windows RT, guys?
Hyperbole much?Not quite the full experience as it will not support the 64-bit x86-64 instruction set. WinRT 1.5.
Not quite the full experience as it will not support the 64-bit x86-64 instruction set. WinRT 1.5.
It's simply not the full experience yet but it's obviously a very important step forward.Hyperbole much?
It's simply not the full experience yet but it's obviously a very important step forward.
It's not a viable option (or one with many headaches) for anyone doing serious IT work to use Win 10 + ARM based chipset without x86_64 emulation support. There's various tools out there that are neither x86 (or need more ram) nor UWP.
I don't give a shit about Windows on phones but the prospect of being able to run it on dirt cheap mass produced ARM based mini-pcs sounds pretty great to me. The current generation of Intel based devices are fine but ARM based devices are generally much cheaper.
But there are already really cheap Windows notebooks which sell for $100-150. And the Surface already exists, as do other tablets which also dock from other manufacturers. Those are all already devices which run natively on Intel x86, no need for ARM with an emulator.
Microsoft's container/emulation technology is always impressive.The x86 apps are able to run using some level of emulation.
Microsoft has been perfecting this tech for a long while. I'm pretty damned sure that it's partly/mostly/entirely* the reason why they even have backwards compatibility on Xbox One that allows them to play 360 games built in a different architecture as well.
*I'm leaning towards entirely.
It has 64-bit ARM support (they demoed it running on a 64-bit Snapdragon), but x86 compatibility is 32-bit only.
This is great news. To be able to get a full desktop experience on an ARM based device would be huge.
But I wonder if they are also planning to scale down the install size of Windows 10. As of now you need 20GB of open space, and that is just the initial install, then at least another 2GB worth of updates. Who knows how much more the emulator will add on to the OS.
To me this seems like it is MS's attempt to combat the rising popularity of Chrome OS which Already runs on ARM processors. They want the education market back and this may be their thicket.
Yeah I wonder if this is a feature built on top of the existing Continuum desktop software (obviously no current phones will support it though).I doubt that they're engineering W10 for ARM "down" from the x86 version, but rather "up" from Windows 10 Mobile (W10M + the emulator) which is very small in size and doesn't require the same sort of patches.
edit: the W10M system is less than 4GB on my phone btw.
I doubt that they're engineering W10 for ARM "down" from the x86 version, but rather "up" from Windows 10 Mobile (W10M + the emulator) which is very small in size and doesn't require the same sort of patches.
edit: the W10M system is less than 4GB on my phone btw.
This is way too early of a sample to be even remotely functional but holy heck, they are in the open with this announcement now. I for one welcome our full Windows on ARM overlord.
Intel surely is not happy about this.
Now that the principal drawback is gone (having Windows as a backup) I expect Apple to make the big jump (again) with macOS and i guess they'll actually be the first ones to ship a non-beta product with their desktop OS on ARM.
So in theory I could put steam on a new Surface Phone and play a bunch of games on it? The video shows it running world of tanks pretty well on a snapdragon 820. Next year's snapdragon should run it even better.
I'll just need someone to make a decent controller overlay and I'll be in heaven.
So, should we expect to RTM around the time the Surface 5/Surface Pro 5/Phone (?) launches - namely, Redstone 3?
I assume this was in response to Intel cancelling their low-powered Atom line, which effectively killed the next Surface until MS shipped this capability. After all, Microsoft needs a product to compete in that price range and also opens the floodgates for mobile hardware makers to introduce new devices without the costs associated with Intel processors.
The only thing that remains is to see how is the performance with an emulator. Things as AutoCAD, Solidworks or MATLAB are obviously out of range for such platform, but if this thing is enough to drive light PC gaming and Office, it might good enough for several use cases.
There is no new $40 chip replacing the current x7-z8750 either. Only Core m's.This is a common misconception. Intel did not kill the entire Atom line, only their mobile(ie. tablets and phones) Braxton and Sofia architectures as NeOak mentioned earlier. This has no affect on the Surface.
I'm assuming Win10M is that small because it lacks the desktop functionality. Once MS starts adding drivers, services, etc to get the full desktop experience, it is going to get huge. MS needs to make a Non-legacy edition that is lean.