We are still optimizing the game and figuring out what the final system specs should be, so I cannot say with any certainty right now what they will be. As soon as we know we will share it with you.
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Rime Re-Reveal gameplay trailer (PC/PS4/XB1/Switch, May 2017)
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We are still optimizing the game and figuring out what the final system specs should be, so I cannot say with any certainty right now what they will be. As soon as we know we will share it with you.
TheKastorian
Member
Haha, maybe just a little, but with good reason.
Game looks sooo good! Hopefully there are lots of difficult puzzles and secrets!
Thanks for the answer, hope that's the case. Something similar has happened with Zelda:BotW, so I guess it could be that.
More_Badass
Member
Is it really a downgrade then, if the previous footage wasn't gameplay?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So where's the 200 foot beast with its own A.I.?
Kingpin Rogers
Member
The kid's face looks odd and he runs weird. Where is the combat? All looks a bit artsy fartsy to me.
Killzone 2?
Lionel Richie
Member
Damn it reminds me so much of Wind Waker. I'll buy on the Switch for sure.
I didn't argue against what you were saying because it's a bad analogy that doesn't logically fit its use case. You're trying to equate conclusions drawn in a situation with a very large sample size and widely available public records with ones from a very small sample size that's inadequate for drawing meaningful conclusions. The logics of the two situations follow different rules.
Oh good, then you agree with the thrust of the argument and you're merely arguing semantics. Awesome. Valuable, even.
What you're failing to grasp here is that the comparison is not about refutation, it's about creating reasonable doubt.
If you try to draw a line between Sony's support and the quality of a game, their track record with supported games is absolutely part of that correlation. It informs the question of Sony's judgment in such matters, and if their judgment has been suspect in the past, it casts doubt on whether that judgment was sound in cases where they bailed out, and on whether that judgment had anything to do with their expectations of quality.
But why am I saying any of this? You already agreed with the basic point that there are any number of reasons why Sony might have dropped this partnership, so any further argument is a waste of time. Agreed?
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Was going to buy it before so looks like I'm keeping that promise. Im just a bit concerned that it's a puzzle game since I suck at those but I'm willing to give it a try due to aesthetics 😭
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Cautious about it due to its history, but it looks good and I still hope to get it when it releases
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Looks nice to me! I'll keep an eye on reviews though
exmachina64
Banned
Cautiously optimistic.
humansarehorses
Member
Goddamn, the problem I am pointing out is not an issue from different sample sizes. Sure, you can pile on and say that one conclusion is wrong due to an unrepresentative sample (in which case, size doesn't merely determine it) but that has nothing to do with the argumentative flaw I am pointing out.
...this isn't semantics. Figuring out which counter arguments actually counter other arguments is not a matter of semantics.
It's entirely about refutation. The issue is not about whether Sony's support increases the quality of the game. But we know that the quality of a game affects Sony's support. It should be obvious that it does. Still, you cannot refute the argument that Sony only abandons bad games (a necessary condition is that the game has to be bad to be abandoned) and since they abandoned Rime, it must be bad too by saying that Sony didn't abandon other bad games. It's not relevant. It doesn't disprove that being bad is a necessary condition (all it shows is that being bad isn't a sufficient condition) and it doesn't refute the conclusion.
And that's all there is to it.
I'm confused; what's up with all the people claiming a "downgrade" or suggesting there's been a shift in art style?
Did everyone miss the Gamescom 2014 trailer? Because this looks very, very similar to that, with the exception of a less punchy colour-grade on the new video.
Did everyone miss the Gamescom 2014 trailer? Because this looks very, very similar to that, with the exception of a less punchy colour-grade on the new video.
Omega Kirby
Member
Any devs could do that with 10 years to make the game lol
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
In portable mode. Not in docked mode.
R10Neymarfan
Member
In docked mode it's power is equal to that of a 750ti. Barely anymore better
WordAssassin
Member
Damn that trailer looks great. I hope it actually comes out because I am all over it once it does.
Dangansona
Member
Not sure why people here and on YouTube are saying things like that based off a decent trailer.
I know the reason you were trying to use this analogy wasn't because of different sample sizes. That's irrelevant. The reason why it's a bad analogy has to do with that, though. In one case, you have a reasonable expectation that your prediction about low income workers is correct, and mountains of data to back you up. In the other, you don't. It's not the simple logical exercise you're trying to use it as, and it can't be used that way because the circumstances are entirely different.
I'm sorry, but it is. You agree with the essential point the other person was making, you're just trying to debate whether they went about it in a logically consistent way. That's a huge fucking waste of everyone's time in a thread that's ostensibly about re-announcing a video game.
Pick your battles, man. This is a silly hill to die on.
And that's all there is to it.
humansarehorses
Member
Has jack shit to do with data -- I never mentioned any or cited any either. This has to do with which arguments can actually counter other arguments based on logic.
Nope. I never sided with anyone and that has nothing to do with the discussion either. And I was only replying to someone else's reply. If you think this discussion is a waste of time, well, it's not like anyone forced you into it. You jumped into it yourself with your shit arguments.
But hey, at least you're not claiming his argument has any relevance. That's a good sign!
Twilight Princess
Member
When you try so hard at being artsy like journey and ico but just don't have the talent.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Just want to say thank you to the devs for making the kid's skin dark. Not everyone in the gaming world needs to be full light-skinned, or full dark-skinned. I hope that makes sense...
Oddvintagechap
Member
They show nothing? Whats with people filling details in their heads? Especially when its a small studio.
Even then it's way more than "barely", people getting their facts wrong to fit their arguments.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Stop spreading BS
Melchiah
Member
Yep. I'll wait for reviews and user experiences on this one though. The new trailer also seems to put more emphasis on puzzles over exploration.
Time for GIFs:
Jesus, what's with all the catty comments? I realise manners are a rare luxury on the internet, but is it really necessary to be this bitchy about a game that hasn't even released yet?
Jesus, what's with all the catty comments? I realise manners are a rare luxury on the internet, but is it really necessary to be this bitchy about a game that hasn't even released yet?
Well that looks substantially better than I was expecting. While the trailer certainly impresses the music seems a rather derivative and uninspired. Not sure the trailer does a particularly good job of selling the puzzle aspect of the game but considering how troubled the development was rumored to be this is pretty impressive regardless. Here's hoping this ends up turning out well for all parties involved
Yes, like I said, I know what you were trying to do. But it's a bad analogy either way. The logic doesn't apply the way you were trying to force it to do, because the logic that applies in each case is different. Doubling and tripling down on it won't change that. Sorry.
I pointed out that your argument was a bad one, and why. It still is I'm afraid. You tried to say that in deciding if Sony dropping the game means they felt it was a bad game, there's no point in establishing the parameters by which Sony does or does not drop games, and their resulting success record. That's nonsense from a logical and a practical perspective.
humansarehorses
Member
Yeah, you're not actually showing how the logic is different. Instead you're ranting about data like you have a screw loose.
One more time, let's drill into your head.
The argument:
Sony only drops bad games.
Sony dropped Rime.
Rime is a bad game.
Counterargument
If a game is bad, Sony will drop it.
XYZ game is bad but Sony did not drop it.
Therefore games dropped by Sony are not bad.
Now let's go through the mistakes. 1. The original argument says that it is necessary for a game to be bad for it to be dropped. The counterargument says that it is sufficient. Those premises are not logically equivalent. 2. The counterargument makes an incorrect conclusion. All it has shown is that it is not sufficient for games to be bad to be dropped. It has not shown that the games which are dropped are not bad and it has not disproved the necessary condition in the original argument.