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This is well known I think.
Double Donut
Member
This thread is so boring. So many posts just boil down to "I don't like [popular game]". That's not controversial at all. Every popular game has twenty non-fans for every fan.
I've got an opinion that I think gets the actual controversy seal of approval - Halo 5 has my favorite Halo campaign.
I've got an opinion that I think gets the actual controversy seal of approval - Halo 5 has my favorite Halo campaign.
Kamina
Golden Boy
I don't get the hype for The Last Guardian. It never looked very interesting to me and the Gameplay videos didn't change that.
Loved Uncharted 4, but i absolutely agree.
Clairvoyance
Member
The only first party Sony game worth a damn is The Last of Us (which is a top 25 of all time game).
Uncharted is mediocre outside of 4 being decent due to finally have okay gameplay. Multiplayer in this series is probably the worst I've ever played.
Crash is dead and no longer owned by Sony.
Jak had one good game, one okay game, and a bad game.
Ratchet and Clank is the definition of boring.
Driveclub was ass.
The Order is The Order.
Killzone was nothing but pretty graphics and generic everything else.
Knack is a joke.
Days Gone looks like shit and I fycking love zombie games.
Infamous is actually okay besides the first one.
I'm sure there's more but needless to say that it's most likely some bad game being propped up due to exclusivity. I haven't played Bloodborne (technically not 1st party, right?) but I'd most likely enjoy it. The Last Guardian either but it seems to unanimously have shit controls so I'll pass. Hopefully Horizon is good even if it doesn't look like my cup of tea. Thank god for third party since Nintendo is useless for that besides handheld games, which I'd rather not play on the garbage 3DS.
In order to avoid fanboys; Pikmin sucks besides the first one, Starfox is trash, Fire Emblem is overrated, and 2D Mario hasn't been great since World. NSMBU was decent. Never put much time into Xbox so no real opinion on that.
Uncharted is mediocre outside of 4 being decent due to finally have okay gameplay. Multiplayer in this series is probably the worst I've ever played.
Crash is dead and no longer owned by Sony.
Jak had one good game, one okay game, and a bad game.
Ratchet and Clank is the definition of boring.
Driveclub was ass.
The Order is The Order.
Killzone was nothing but pretty graphics and generic everything else.
Knack is a joke.
Days Gone looks like shit and I fycking love zombie games.
Infamous is actually okay besides the first one.
I'm sure there's more but needless to say that it's most likely some bad game being propped up due to exclusivity. I haven't played Bloodborne (technically not 1st party, right?) but I'd most likely enjoy it. The Last Guardian either but it seems to unanimously have shit controls so I'll pass. Hopefully Horizon is good even if it doesn't look like my cup of tea. Thank god for third party since Nintendo is useless for that besides handheld games, which I'd rather not play on the garbage 3DS.
In order to avoid fanboys; Pikmin sucks besides the first one, Starfox is trash, Fire Emblem is overrated, and 2D Mario hasn't been great since World. NSMBU was decent. Never put much time into Xbox so no real opinion on that.
Well just had a thought.
I actually like Telltale games for the most part.
I just think people don't understand that they're never going to bend the pure plot points to their whims. A lot of the stories is how the characters respond to your choices and though I understand that's probably not appealing, it is what it is. Those are the consequences to your actions, not ones where the plot suddenly careens off the tracks and keeps going the way you wanted instead of getting game over/restart last checkpoint.
In a way I think it is a little reductive to say they're only interactive cutscenes because real choice and consequence does still come out of it. It's not say as strong as something as the level of The Witcher series where significant character and plot developments happen (and to be fair I hate it when people trot out the second act split in TW2 as the rule when it's more the exception to it) but I find similarly other games that offer choice and consequence also have equally pathetic outcomes that don't affect really anything either and the intended crafted story and major plot points carry on.
I actually like Telltale games for the most part.
I just think people don't understand that they're never going to bend the pure plot points to their whims. A lot of the stories is how the characters respond to your choices and though I understand that's probably not appealing, it is what it is. Those are the consequences to your actions, not ones where the plot suddenly careens off the tracks and keeps going the way you wanted instead of getting game over/restart last checkpoint.
In a way I think it is a little reductive to say they're only interactive cutscenes because real choice and consequence does still come out of it. It's not say as strong as something as the level of The Witcher series where significant character and plot developments happen (and to be fair I hate it when people trot out the second act split in TW2 as the rule when it's more the exception to it) but I find similarly other games that offer choice and consequence also have equally pathetic outcomes that don't affect really anything either and the intended crafted story and major plot points carry on.
Controversial opinion: supermario land series is better than Super Mario Bros trilogy.
The difficulty is smoother, pace is slower, a save system was added right from SML2(i know late versions of bros had, but still)a,d globally, those games are more user friendly. Less frustration globally.
The difficulty is smoother, pace is slower, a save system was added right from SML2(i know late versions of bros had, but still)a,d globally, those games are more user friendly. Less frustration globally.
nextgeneration
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Doom (the new one) is one of the most overrated games I've ever played. It's an ok game, at best. The old Dooms are so much better, it's not even funny. If you want to play a proper Doom, try Brutal Doom 64 instead.
Double Donut
Member
I agree with this as well. People will always complain about how your choices "mean nothing" in Telltale's games, even though they do. Just because the key plot points are consistent throughout playthroughs doesn't mean the choices don't matter.
And as an extension to this opinion, I also say that "interactive movie" games like Telltale's offerings, Life is Strange, etc, are just as much of a "video game" as anything else.
I agree with all this. I bought the console for Bloodborne and all the rest has been meh at best.
Got The last guardian on it's way for 35 but I don't expect it to fix the trend.
Unfortunately not for everyone. For some reason people see Infinite as the best game of 2013.
Also, I concur with you about Black Ops. It's what I consider the ideal COD game.
HeisenbergWW62
Banned
Final Fantasy XV is fantastic
Might not be controversial outside gaf. Not sure
Might not be controversial outside gaf. Not sure
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Platform exclusives are a general benefit to the industry, even third party exclusives.
bobawesome
Member
Clannad looks beautiful.
I don't know if I'd phrase it that way, but I definitely think there are quite a few games that wouldn't even really exist without the concept of exclusives in the first place and that fact alone means that they're an overall positive to the industry.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I mean, is it a bad thing that Spotify might get exclusive rights to stream a particular album or that iTunes might get exclusive right to sell a certain piece of music? Is it a bad thing that Netflix creates its own shows or Amazon Prime has exclusive streaming rights to some sitcom?
Nah.
I think overall even games that don't owe their entire existence to some kind of exclusivity agreement (like say Bayonetta 2) are still a benefit to the industry. It spurs competition between platform holders and game creators which in turn should spur the creation of more games and more creative output.
Tangled Up in Blue
Banned
I like DA2 more than DA:O. I thought the story in DA:O was a typical rehash of the same old boring save-the-world tripe, while DA2 dealt with the political and cultural ramifications of a city coming to grips with both it's horrific past and uncertain future. Also, it was nice to play an RPG where the political machinations of various factions play an upfront and center role in the story, and it was neat to see characters and relationships grow and change over the course of a decade.
According to the internet, I should die in a fire.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I really enjoyed playing the last 2 Metroid games.
I agree. It wasn't my first game, but it was my first Mario Kart, and it's been outdone by pretty much every following game. Heck, I find SMK more replayable and challenging. It's unpolished, drifting feels off, Rainbow Road is easily the worst in the series, and it's not even the best kart racer on N64. It does have superb music, though.
But they're so artsy, it doesn't matter if they have mediocre to bad controls and gameplay!
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Wolfenstein: The New Order is a more compelling title than DOOM 2016, and I'm quite pleased to see a fair few professional outlets skipping over DOOM in favor of better games.
Not sorry, it is. The gameplay is either aggravating or incredibly dull, at least the first half. I'm sorry I'm still putting it at number 3 of my GOTY list even though half of it was pretty dull, because come the end the auteurial vision is still awe inspiring.
The Fade was one of my favorite areas of Dragon Age Origins. It was the only area and plotline that wasn't completely derivative.
Celcius
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Star Ocean The Last Hope is a really great game. The graphics are great, the music is amazing, the story is interesting, the battle system is amazing, and I like the characters too (I admit the first time I played 'kay was kinda annoying though lol). I've put in probably close to 200 hours across the x360 and ps3 versions of the game.
AdamMcKraken
Member
Gears of war has a nice storyline with a great world built around it.
Fallout games were only good while they were isometric RPGs.
Nintendo games were only good when they were on the SNES, past that not so much. (SMW, Zelda, Metroid, etc)
Witcher 3's combat mechanics are absolutely good, and easy.
Deus Ex Mankind Divided has terrible (by todays standards) 3D character modeling and animations.
Uncharted games are good, but nowhere close to be worthy of any GotY awards.
The new Tomb Raider games are better than the Uncharted games.
The last good Star Wars games were Jedi Outcast, Academy, Republic Commando and KotOR 1-2.
The Division has a minimal aiming lag that makes it unplayable.
A new Half-Life game could never live-up to the hype, therefore it's pointless to make one.
Red Dead Redemption's controls were so terrible it made the game unplayable at times.
The only way Assassin's Creed can be a good game again if they do it in the future/present of the game, and drop the animus bullshit.
Overwatch is good but becomes repetitive easily.
Battleborn is better than Overwatch in gameplay mechanics and ideas.
Fallout games were only good while they were isometric RPGs.
Nintendo games were only good when they were on the SNES, past that not so much. (SMW, Zelda, Metroid, etc)
Witcher 3's combat mechanics are absolutely good, and easy.
Deus Ex Mankind Divided has terrible (by todays standards) 3D character modeling and animations.
Uncharted games are good, but nowhere close to be worthy of any GotY awards.
The new Tomb Raider games are better than the Uncharted games.
The last good Star Wars games were Jedi Outcast, Academy, Republic Commando and KotOR 1-2.
The Division has a minimal aiming lag that makes it unplayable.
A new Half-Life game could never live-up to the hype, therefore it's pointless to make one.
Red Dead Redemption's controls were so terrible it made the game unplayable at times.
The only way Assassin's Creed can be a good game again if they do it in the future/present of the game, and drop the animus bullshit.
Overwatch is good but becomes repetitive easily.
Battleborn is better than Overwatch in gameplay mechanics and ideas.
Nickelback has some really good songs.
I love Street Fighter and it's a super strong candidate for my favourite gaming series ever - I actually got into gaming because of SF2. But I don't like the SF3 games. The gameplay is good and it's true that it's all that matters, but gameplay is good in pretty much all SF games (hence why I love the series) anyway and I just don't like the SF3 roster at all. It just show how important it is for me to like the roster in a fighting game, I simply don't care about the characters in SF3 with the exception of Makoto, maybe, yet she's clearly not enough to make me interested in Third Strike. Also the soundtrack, I don't enjoy it while the Alpha and even the EX games were getting what I consider to be superb soundtracks. Also SF3 turned Chun Li into the grotesque caricature with stupid legs that she's now. I do think the sprites and backgrounds are great, though.
My favourite SF games that I'd also consider to be objectively great fighting games are Alpha 2, Ultra IV, V and ST.
My favourite SF games that I'd also consider to be objectively great fighting games are Alpha 2, Ultra IV, V and ST.
Melchiah
Member
You take that back.
Just wanted to post this. I agree completely!
That game's story was different, but it ultimately failed to reach its full potential.
gigantor21
Member
Yeah, though I think Naughty Dog is coming onto itself, and most games being at least competent, it's clear the first party Sony games are just there as graphical showcases in a variety of genres then that they're pushing any quality in games itself. They're the anti-Nintendo in that sense and I hate that they became more popular as a result. Sony does still have a lot of fantastic exclusives (and has that over MS), but they're from external studios. Thatgamecompany, From, Supermassive (definitely get Until Dawn if you didn't already), etc.
The Third Strike cast--and the cast in the whole series, really--is take it or leave it, sure, but...you don't like the soundtrack either?
Count me in as another that doesn't like the 3rd Strike soundtrack. It's just not to my taste at all.
For context my personal favorite soundtrack in the series is Alpha 2 Gold.
Daria Morgendorffer
Member
DOOM has a really bad soundtrack (and is just an ok game overall)
Will agree with you on TT Walking Dead. Genuinely don't get the praise, or the "OMG mah feelings!" exclamations. I didn't give a monkeys about any of the characters.
I just got a PS4.
The PS UI is counter-intuitive, especially compared to the PS3's. Random apps I don't want/use (no, I don't have a Netflix or Amazon TV account), and tiles which are just place-holders for apps you have to specifically download (like the media player). Also, the DS4 is not friendly to my hands - I don't like the shape at all.
Related to that last point:
I love the Steam Controller's shape. I can play Dark Souls for hours on end with it and not have cramp, and not miss any button presses. It's great.
I don't think it's bad! But I feel it's not Street Fighter-y at all, lol. Now, I do have weird taste when it comes to these things, my favourite soundtracks in the series are Alpha 2 and especially EX Plus Alpha.The Third Strike cast--and the cast in the whole series, really--is take it or leave it, sure, but...you don't like the soundtrack either?
I love the ****** series I do, but the games are massively overrated as fuck. The games have so many problems from average gunplay to bullet sponge enemies to enemies who have perfect aim that never miss and also never run out of grenades to annoying waves of enemies that drive me crazy.
Also lol at the people on GAF that think Nate and Elena relationship is anything special. Their relationship is pretty much what you see in a typical hollywood blockbuster movie, once again nothing special or memorable.
I do enjoy the games and have fun with them though but they're nothing special.
****** as a whole are some of the most overrated developers at least on GAF. The Jak series is the best thing they've done and i'm sad they don't make them anymore. Oh look we make realistic games now therefore we can't make Jak anymore. Oh please.
Last of Us was also great too. I loved the gameplay it was real solid, however the story was absolutely nothing that special. Kind of felt pretentious to be honest.
After finishing Gears of War 4 which was my first Gears game since Gears of War 3, the whole series needs to be retooled because it's so average and stale now. Go from one room to another, kill enemies, rinse and repeat. I dont remember if that's what the games always were but I can't stand it now.
I honestly can't believe I preferred Final Fantasy XIII to XV. Like i can't believe it. I haven't finished XV yet but a game shouldn't take so damn long to get going. Square should go and play Final Fantasy X or IX or VII and see what made those games great because they can't seem to make a good Final Fantasy game anymore.
DOOM and Wolfenstein the New Order surprised the hell out of me. Glad I got them.
I don't get the love for Overwatch at all. I love the colorfulness of the game but I'd rather play Call of Duty to it.
No Mans Sky... how did people not see that game was going to be average. It never ever looked good. Never.
Also lol at the people on GAF that think Nate and Elena relationship is anything special. Their relationship is pretty much what you see in a typical hollywood blockbuster movie, once again nothing special or memorable.
I do enjoy the games and have fun with them though but they're nothing special.
****** as a whole are some of the most overrated developers at least on GAF. The Jak series is the best thing they've done and i'm sad they don't make them anymore. Oh look we make realistic games now therefore we can't make Jak anymore. Oh please.
Last of Us was also great too. I loved the gameplay it was real solid, however the story was absolutely nothing that special. Kind of felt pretentious to be honest.
After finishing Gears of War 4 which was my first Gears game since Gears of War 3, the whole series needs to be retooled because it's so average and stale now. Go from one room to another, kill enemies, rinse and repeat. I dont remember if that's what the games always were but I can't stand it now.
I honestly can't believe I preferred Final Fantasy XIII to XV. Like i can't believe it. I haven't finished XV yet but a game shouldn't take so damn long to get going. Square should go and play Final Fantasy X or IX or VII and see what made those games great because they can't seem to make a good Final Fantasy game anymore.
DOOM and Wolfenstein the New Order surprised the hell out of me. Glad I got them.
I don't get the love for Overwatch at all. I love the colorfulness of the game but I'd rather play Call of Duty to it.
No Mans Sky... how did people not see that game was going to be average. It never ever looked good. Never.
The only potentially controversial opinion I have is that I think the original Donkey Kong Country is a genuinely terrible game. This led me to not try any other game in the classic trilogy. I love the newer Retro games, however.
It's been a while but the main issue I had with the game, ironically for a 2D game, was the camera. It's way too zoomed in on Donkey Kong and results in all of the mine cart stages being way too trial-and-error. Also, it doesn't stick to your character very consistently. So, for example, when you go down a slope, the camera doesn't adjust right away and leads to your character being on the bottom of the screen while you're moving down! Not to mention all of the times you have to make blind jumps. I stopped playing at the ice area where all these camera issues became huge in addition to slippery controls. And don't get me started on that boring-ass copy-and-paste level design
It's funny, because I'm not generally this negative about games, but Donkey Kong Country brings out the worst in me.
It's been a while but the main issue I had with the game, ironically for a 2D game, was the camera. It's way too zoomed in on Donkey Kong and results in all of the mine cart stages being way too trial-and-error. Also, it doesn't stick to your character very consistently. So, for example, when you go down a slope, the camera doesn't adjust right away and leads to your character being on the bottom of the screen while you're moving down! Not to mention all of the times you have to make blind jumps. I stopped playing at the ice area where all these camera issues became huge in addition to slippery controls. And don't get me started on that boring-ass copy-and-paste level design
It's funny, because I'm not generally this negative about games, but Donkey Kong Country brings out the worst in me.
The only potentially controversial opinion I have is that I think the original Donkey Kong Country is a genuinely terrible game. This led me to not try any other game in the classic trilogy. I love the newer Retro games, however.
It's been a while but the main issue I had with the game, ironically for a 2D game, was the camera. It's way too zoomed in on Donkey Kong and results in all of the mine cart stages being way too trial-and-error. Also, it doesn't stick to your character very consistently. So, for example, when you go down a slope, the camera doesn't adjust right away and leads to your character being on the bottom of the screen while you're moving down! Not to mention all of the times you have to make blind jumps. I stopped playing at the ice area where all these camera issues became huge in addition to slippery controls. And don't get me started on that boring-ass copy-and-paste level design
It's funny, because I'm not generally this negative about games, but Donkey Kong Country brings out the worst in me.
I remember reading a Super Play comparison of DKC and Yoshi's Island which basically said the same thing, so this ain't all that controversial.
DKC has a lot of character, but in terms of purely thinking of how the player approaches a platform game, YI does everything right (for instance, there's one blind jump in the entire game, iirc), and DKC does so much wrong.Xist2inspire
Member
1. Sonic was always good...but was never great. As someone who was lucky enough to experience both Sonic and Mario games side-by-side growing up (and prefers Sonic to Mario), I never understood the hate that the Sonic series got later on, but I also never understood the reverence for Genesis-era Sonic. The awkward balance between speed and platforming, and how that affects level design and controls, has been the bane of the Sonic series from the beginning and gives even the best Sonic game a rather unpolished and clunky feel compared to most of its peers. As far as platformers go, Sonic has more in common with Crash than Mario, DK, and Yoshi, it's a B-tier franchise purely in terms of gameplay. Despite this, the series excels in nearly every other aspect of a platformer: music, storytelling (3&K is a masterpiece), graphics, art style, character work, you name it. That stuff's where Sonic's true legacy and place in history lies.
Honestly, if Classic-era Sonic wasn't quite so overrated, I think that the series would be looked at more fondly overall. It'd be nice if the series was seen as the solid-but-not-spectacular series it is, rather than the once-great series it never really was.
2. The gaming industry as a whole does not, and should not, "grow up" with us, the core audience. A truly mature medium doesn't focus on one specific audience, it aims to reach as many demographics as it can, with content that appeals to them. Games are for more than just the graphics/hardware-savvy 18-35 male demographic, there's more than enough room for cheap mobile time wasters and family-friendly games to not just exist, but have the spotlight put on them for a change. Not all games have to push limits in terms of gameplay or power. The industry needs to start acting less like the comics industry and more like the television, book, and movie industry.
Honestly, if Classic-era Sonic wasn't quite so overrated, I think that the series would be looked at more fondly overall. It'd be nice if the series was seen as the solid-but-not-spectacular series it is, rather than the once-great series it never really was.
2. The gaming industry as a whole does not, and should not, "grow up" with us, the core audience. A truly mature medium doesn't focus on one specific audience, it aims to reach as many demographics as it can, with content that appeals to them. Games are for more than just the graphics/hardware-savvy 18-35 male demographic, there's more than enough room for cheap mobile time wasters and family-friendly games to not just exist, but have the spotlight put on them for a change. Not all games have to push limits in terms of gameplay or power. The industry needs to start acting less like the comics industry and more like the television, book, and movie industry.
Livingskeletons
If I pulled that off, would you die?
The Locust are terrifying enemies and the concept around their origin/backstory is really cool.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
JRPGs* are not actually RPGs.
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Most of them.
I can't even take a guess as to what you are referring to. Care to elaborate?