In the US it even is a comical $50. Would be pretty funny if it wasn't so damn sad.
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In the US it even is a comical $50. Would be pretty funny if it wasn't so damn sad.
I'm not sure how to see Switch to be honest. A lot of strange decisions there.
- Paid online services
- Separated app for voice chat and apparently not integrated in the console itself
- A bit expensive
- Weak launch line up
- Online goodies with the suscription worst than ps plus (that are bad)
I think in Japan it will be a success but abroad ... i see it failing hard tbh.
- Paid online services
- Separated app for voice chat and apparently not integrated in the console itself
- A bit expensive
- Weak launch line up
- Online goodies with the suscription worst than ps plus (that are bad)
I think in Japan it will be a success but abroad ... i see it failing hard tbh.
Depends on expectations
If it's expected to sell 8-10 million in it's first year I can see it happening. I personally think they will bundle a game(Splatoon specifically) to push the online subs while not raising the price.
The launch won't be very impressive in Japan, the West really hinges on Zelda blowing people's minds.
I think even my lowest expectations were beaten this morning.
So many red flags, I wonder what are Nintendo's expectations for the Switch's first year.
3M would already be a huge achievement and anything beyond seems delusional at this point, 2M-2.5M seems like a more realistic prediction.
So many red flags, I wonder what are Nintendo's expectations for the Switch's first year.
3M would already be a huge achievement and anything beyond seems delusional at this point, 2M-2.5M seems like a more realistic prediction.
Arms is going to be the Splatoon of this gen?^^
https://jp.surveymonkey.com/r/GYNJC29
Nintendo opened up an urgent questionnaire in regards to the Switch presentation. Asks general questions like your age, sex, when u plan on purchasing a Switch, what you thought of the design, what you thought of the price, what series you would like to see on Switch, do you agree/disagree with paying for online, do you think Switch will sell, and what current titles do you have an interest in.
Nintendo opened up an urgent questionnaire in regards to the Switch presentation. Asks general questions like your age, sex, when u plan on purchasing a Switch, what you thought of the design, what you thought of the price, what series you would like to see on Switch, do you agree/disagree with paying for online, do you think Switch will sell, and what current titles do you have an interest in.
I was gonna say...
My katakana is so fucking off today.
21./24. [PS4] Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2015.12.03} (¥2.400)
22./37. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi / Tempura <RPG> (Level 5) {2016.07.16} (¥4.800)
23./27. [WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥5.700)
24./28. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories # <RPG> (Capcom) {2016.10.08} (¥5.800)
25./25. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare # <ACT> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.11.04} (¥7.900)
26./31. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥5.700)
27./30. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥5.700)
28./22. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2017 <SPT> (Konami) {2016.09.15} (¥7.600)
29./29. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons X: God Chapter / Dragon Chapter <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2016.07.28} (¥4.800)
30./13. [PSV] SaGa: Scarlet Grace <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.12.15} (¥6.800)
31./20. [PS4] Resident Evil 6 <ADV> (Capcom) {2016.12.01} (¥2.800)
32./16. [PS4] The Last Guardian <ADV> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.12.06} (¥6.900)
33./42. [3DS] Tomodachi Life [Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} (¥2.700)
34./36. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} (¥6.100)
35./43. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo) {2016.02.18} (¥4.700)
36./39. [3DS] Super Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Kyuukyoku no Shinobu to Battle Player Choujou Kessen! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.09.15} (¥5.300)
37./33. [3DS] All Kamen Rider: Rider Revolution # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.12.01} (¥5.700)
38./49. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.200)
39./34. [3DS] Beyblade Burst <RPG> (FuRyu) {2016.11.10} (¥5.780)
40./41. [3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design # <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2016.11.10} (¥5.400)
41./35. [PS4] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.02} (¥7.600)
42./45. [3DS] Dragon Ball: Fusions # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.08.04} (¥5.700)
43./46. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.200)
44./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2015.12.10} (¥8.400)
45./00. [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.500)
46./48. [3DS] 12-Sai. Koisuru Diary <ADV> (Happinet) {2016.08.04} (¥5.815)
47./00. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} (¥4.000)
48./00. [3DS] Akogare Girls Collection: Wan Nyan Doubutsu Byouin - Suteki na Juui-San ni Narou! <ADV> (Nippon Columbia) {2015.07.30} (¥4.800)
49./00. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Don Don! Mystery Adventure <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.06.16} (¥4.800)
50./00. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon [Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} (¥2.700)
Top 50
3DS - 30
PS4 - 12
WIU - 5
PSV - 3
SOFTWARE
22./37. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi / Tempura <RPG> (Level 5) {2016.07.16} (¥4.800)
23./27. [WIU] Splatoon # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥5.700)
24./28. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories # <RPG> (Capcom) {2016.10.08} (¥5.800)
25./25. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare # <ACT> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.11.04} (¥7.900)
26./31. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥5.700)
27./30. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥5.700)
28./22. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2017 <SPT> (Konami) {2016.09.15} (¥7.600)
29./29. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons X: God Chapter / Dragon Chapter <RPG> (GungHo Online Entertainment) {2016.07.28} (¥4.800)
30./13. [PSV] SaGa: Scarlet Grace <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.12.15} (¥6.800)
31./20. [PS4] Resident Evil 6 <ADV> (Capcom) {2016.12.01} (¥2.800)
32./16. [PS4] The Last Guardian <ADV> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2016.12.06} (¥6.900)
33./42. [3DS] Tomodachi Life [Nintendo Selects] <ETC> (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} (¥2.700)
34./36. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} (¥6.100)
35./43. [3DS] Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games <SPT> (Nintendo) {2016.02.18} (¥4.700)
36./39. [3DS] Super Battle For Money Sentouchuu: Kyuukyoku no Shinobu to Battle Player Choujou Kessen! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.09.15} (¥5.300)
37./33. [3DS] All Kamen Rider: Rider Revolution # <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.12.01} (¥5.700)
38./49. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (¥5.200)
39./34. [3DS] Beyblade Burst <RPG> (FuRyu) {2016.11.10} (¥5.780)
40./41. [3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design # <ACT> (Takara Tomy) {2016.11.10} (¥5.400)
41./35. [PS4] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.11.02} (¥7.600)
42./45. [3DS] Dragon Ball: Fusions # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.08.04} (¥5.700)
43./46. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.200)
44./00. [PS4] Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2015.12.10} (¥8.400)
45./00. [3DS] Monster Strike <RPG> (Mixi) {2015.12.17} (¥4.500)
46./48. [3DS] 12-Sai. Koisuru Diary <ADV> (Happinet) {2016.08.04} (¥5.815)
47./00. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2015.07.30} (¥4.000)
48./00. [3DS] Akogare Girls Collection: Wan Nyan Doubutsu Byouin - Suteki na Juui-San ni Narou! <ADV> (Nippon Columbia) {2015.07.30} (¥4.800)
49./00. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Don Don! Mystery Adventure <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.06.16} (¥4.800)
50./00. [3DS] Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon [Nintendo Selects] <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.03.17} (¥2.700)
Top 50
3DS - 30
PS4 - 12
WIU - 5
PSV - 3
SOFTWARE
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD |
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| ALL | 851.000 | 785.000 | 586.000 | 851.000 | 586.000 |
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Member
So, Tales is moving to Switch and that SMT game may be coming to PS4? Nice. Converge them all!
Kresnik258
Member
Haha, I'm so late to the party.
Surprised at Switch's price. Surprised they've got such an anemic, port-heavy lineup.
But what it all boils down to, ultimately, is whether the Switch as a piece of hardware is compelling for the Japanese market. Let's be real, the console is gonna get Animal Crossing/Monster Hunter/Pokemon etc. at some point. It's Nintendo's main focus going forward.
I just wonder what state it'll be in when they release. It'll have some early momentum, though they're certainly hurting it with that price. I see no reason why they can't drop the dock and chop the price come 2018 (like Duckroll says) and re-invigorate it with the right games. They just have to hope it's not a Wii-U like situation where the console itself is just unappealing at that point, though (well, obviously not that bad, but stigma can hurt).
Surprised at Switch's price. Surprised they've got such an anemic, port-heavy lineup.
But what it all boils down to, ultimately, is whether the Switch as a piece of hardware is compelling for the Japanese market. Let's be real, the console is gonna get Animal Crossing/Monster Hunter/Pokemon etc. at some point. It's Nintendo's main focus going forward.
I just wonder what state it'll be in when they release. It'll have some early momentum, though they're certainly hurting it with that price. I see no reason why they can't drop the dock and chop the price come 2018 (like Duckroll says) and re-invigorate it with the right games. They just have to hope it's not a Wii-U like situation where the console itself is just unappealing at that point, though (well, obviously not that bad, but stigma can hurt).
Could be anything from a multiplat of the next mothership title, some kind of remaster, a late port or a spin off.
I don't think it will be an exclusive entry regardless.
KillerMan91
Member
So I guess 3DS will have better year than I expected this year. That Switch price is crazy high for system that is seen as handheld system (especially in Japan) and first year sales will not match anywhere near GBA/DS/3DS numbers without similar panic price cut that 3DS got.
Launch Weeks:
Dec 2012 WIU | 308.142
Feb 2011 - 3DS | 374.764
Dec 2016 - Wii | 350,358
Feb 2014 PS4 | 309.154
Dec 2011 PSV | 324.859
Cant seem to find PS3 Launch numbers
The Nintendo 3DS launched in Japan on February 26, 2011, priced at ¥25,000.
Switch launches at ¥30,000 if it had Splatoon packed in it would have been a great deal, not having a pack-in like Splatoon 2 is a missed opportunity.
Still expecting ¥30,000 Switch with Splatoon for the summer holidays.
Dec 2012 WIU | 308.142
Feb 2011 - 3DS | 374.764
Dec 2016 - Wii | 350,358
Feb 2014 PS4 | 309.154
Dec 2011 PSV | 324.859
Cant seem to find PS3 Launch numbers
The Nintendo 3DS launched in Japan on February 26, 2011, priced at ¥25,000.
Switch launches at ¥30,000 if it had Splatoon packed in it would have been a great deal, not having a pack-in like Splatoon 2 is a missed opportunity.
Still expecting ¥30,000 Switch with Splatoon for the summer holidays.
metalslimer
Member
More than ever I'm convinced that a portable only Switch will launch with the next year and half to actually replace the 3DS.
The price is pretty comparable to 3DS, the yen has lost a lot of value since 2011. I figured if the switch would be 250$ in the US it would be ¥30000 in Japan, I'm am surprised that the cheapest region to get Switch has ended up being Japan.
12 Switch would have made a good pack-in.
KillerMan91
Member
And 3DS got massive panic price cut during its launch year because it didn't sell like previous Nintendo handhelds and how Nintendo wanted it to sell. Really. Bar for Nintendo in Japan is not just to outsell weakish competition. It's to actually sell in high numbers because Japan is so important market for Nintendos handhelds. Just like bar in Europe for PS4 was not to outsell weakish competition it was to sell like Sonys consoles usually do in the region.
Dont look at things from a global currency value. Japanese wages have stagnated for years and prices have usually (up to recently) fallen on average as the country struggles with deflation and weak consumer demand.
The extra 5000 yen that the Switch cost has a bigger impact in their economy than 50 extra bucks does here. Even if the 5000 yen has less purchasing value.
ethomaz
Banned
Nintendo's target isn't to pull a PS4 with Switch, outselling PS4 is far from an achievent. With this launch line up the system will have no must title until Splatoon 2 in summer, and summer is a long period, early, middle or late summer. As things look Splatoon 2 timing will determine if there will be strategy change at pricing from Nintendo or not.
I have faith in DQH!
Maybe, but in the end it did nothing to help Wii U situation. Whatever it sold was sold during holidays when launch hype was still alive.
It obviously has a certain appeal with the Nintendo nostalgia crowd but it's still just a weird product.
I guess Ryu DLC for Smash did well?
So, following this up, the logic seems to be that you can play the game with two players using one joycon each.
The end of the trailer also appeared to have a very short clip of what looked like the 3DS version of SF4, so I'm guessing that's also coming at some point to the Switch.
yongeandcollege
Member
So do some people still think Switch will be the top hardware seller in Japan for 2017? I'm not sure anymore. I think 3DS takes the crown again. If not, then PS4.
How much do you think Switch will sell?
Yeah, we've been discussing that. They'd seemingly added co-op as well.
The funny with Switch is that Nintendo offers much more than 3DS first year but they've managed to mess launch again.
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort <SLG> (Nintendo) {2011.04.14} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Steel Diver <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.05.12} (¥4.571)
[3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Star Fox 64 3D <STG> (Nintendo) {2011.07.14} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.08.11} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Flora and Fauna 3D Field Guide <HOB> (Nintendo) {2011.09.29} (¥3.619)
[3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: French Bulldog / Shiba / Toy Poodle & New Friends <ETC> (Nintendo) {2011.02.26} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort <SLG> (Nintendo) {2011.04.14} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Steel Diver <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.05.12} (¥4.571)
[3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D <ADV> (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Star Fox 64 3D <STG> (Nintendo) {2011.07.14} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast <ACT> (Pokemon Co.) {2011.08.11} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Flora and Fauna 3D Field Guide <HOB> (Nintendo) {2011.09.29} (¥3.619)
[3DS] Super Mario 3D Land # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.571)
[3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (¥4.571)
ethomaz
Banned
I think Switch will take 3DS sales.
Not PS4.
So PS4 will possible be the top seller in 2017.
I think the first party games look very good, but the actual launch day lineup is just atrocious and makes me wonder why they didn't move something like Splatoon 2 up. I guess they are banking on the hardcore buying it no matter what then sustaining things in the months ahead, but that's a pretty big risk.
Yep Online needs to be like $25 per year for what they are offering right now.
Wonder what type of discounts Paid Subs will receive since that's the other incentive of paying for Online.
Game pricing is exactly what I'd expect from Nintendo...
I'm actually happy that the Switch is seemingly a heavy-JRPG machine. That's fine by me and I'm willing to pay £280 for that.
I'm worried about how it will fare with a more general audience though.
As to online they'll have to do something good to convince me to buy-in, especially if it's as expensive as their competitors.
I'm worried about how it will fare with a more general audience though.
As to online they'll have to do something good to convince me to buy-in, especially if it's as expensive as their competitors.
When you want to repeat 3DS you repeat 3DS at everything.
Well, the point I was making was that the titles *at launch* being demoed are actually a lot more than I had initially thought or expected from them.
ARMS, 1-2-Switch, and Snipperclips have all had glowing appraisal (and hilarious images of Jeff in a hat and/or milking a cow) and do a solid job at selling the *concept* of the machine as well as actually giving said concept weight. Snipperclips hadn't even been much of the presentation, Treehouse and previews are what's really selling it. I'm still ???? on wtf is going on with SFII and Bomberman.
That FE announcement for another direct has me thinking we're going to be hearing more on software for the year all through out the pre-launch window.
yongeandcollege
Member
Between 1 and 2 million
3DS had around 1.9 million in 2016. Based on price alone I don't think Switch will get that high.
ethomaz
Banned
In my view it won't reach 1.5m sold in 2017.Between 1 and 2 million
It will sell at launch ~300k and 1 million after until ends of 2017.
And that is pretty good sales.
There is no way PS4 will sell less this year with stronger lineup and possible price cut... it is already around 100% up in the first weeks of 2017.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
PS4 sold 1.8 million last year, with multiple new models and Final Fantasy XV. It will sell less than that this year.
The Switch will definitely outsell the PS4 this year. I don't think there's really much doubt on that front. I don't know exactly how well it will do, but I have a hard time seeing it not even managing to outsell the PS4.
Between 1 and 2 million
Yeah, no.
We run through circles with PS4 for 2017, but PS4 peaked last year.
ethomaz
Banned
Do you think Switch will sell over 2 million in 2017???
I'm assuming Splatoon isn't done.
The question is, how undone is it? It can't launch with the low content that Splatoon 1 had. There was almost nothing.
I mean, technically it could, but that would be risky for a sequel.
Splatoon 2 will dictate how Switch does this year in Japan, and maybe beyond.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
100% up from bad sales.
It won't be able to compete with the Slim launch, Final Fantasy XV, and all the other big games that launched.
PS4 has already dropped its heavy hitters. It's mostly just sequels coming out now, which won't drive hardware sales. 1.4 million or so this year, I think.
They're the only ones I can think of that have potential for 500K+ sales.