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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past

Kyanrute

Member
Splinter, entertain the possibility that I am not the SK. Let's say that we lynch the scum correctly and the endgame is a 3-1-0 (a real actual possibility if there are three scum in play) and on the night before endgame I am killed and revealed as a Ordinary Townie. Who then be the SK? In other words, remove your three scum candidates, myself and assume that the SK is still within the non-Splinter three that remain.
 

*Splinter

Member
Splinter, entertain the possibility that I am not the SK. Let's say that we lynch the scum correctly and the endgame is a 3-1-0 (a real actual possibility if there are three scum in play) and on the night before endgame I am killed and revealed as a Ordinary Townie. Who then be the SK? In other words, remove your three scum candidates, myself and assume that the SK is still within the non-Splinter three that remain.
Err I was running some numbers earlier and O don't see this getting to 3-1-0.

Assuming 3 scum (worst case scenario) and perfect lynches (actually quite likely as long as today goes as planned) then I think the winner of this game will be determined by night actions.

It's not looking super good for town at the moment, but the good news is that scum can't win either unless they kill the SK. If they do kill the SK, town regains their slim chance of winning.

However, I think scum will continue to block the SK, which will ironically lead to an SK win.

Of course there is also a slight wildcard in whatever nin's next item is.



To answer your actual question, Magnum. I don't know what you're getting at though.
 

*Splinter

Member
I got the ability to trade out items on night 3. I chose Terra because I think he is town. Then on night 4 I chose ty4on because of obvious reasons.
Listen carefully nin.

If you want to win, you're going to have to trust me a bit more than that.

No more gambits.
 

Kyanrute

Member
OK, next question: if not you, who?

I think Absolut, Bronx and Ynnek are the scum team. I know my own alignment, what is town. At this point I'll mention that this speculation ignores whatever the Splinter-nin item mess is, if that changes my judgement I'll mention it later.

Truthfully, I cannot give an accurate judgement of my own behavior because it would be influenced very heavily by arguments, comments and votes in the endgame scenario where the SK hunt is even possible. I'll try though. The candidates are yourself, Magnum, Nin and Splinter.

First, I shall exclude nin from the consideration because I do not see the SK having an alignment check protection. It would be rather unorthodox. Alas, my answer will have to be that I do not know. I am much entertained by a Splinter vote in the endgame SK hunt scenario, because of his conviction to keep me alive as the SK til the end. On the other hand Magnum has been a complete outsider in terms of presence, the vote record and the easiness of his arguments. A play to prevent him being scum lynched possibly, as targets like this are people that make for good day lynches; no need to waste precious scum kills on those. Finally, only you remain. You'd be the boring safe candidate between the two extremes; the obvious chess grand master and the genius using a look of a fool as his cover.
 

Bronx-Man

Banned
I think Absolut, Bronx and Ynnek are the scum team. I know my own alignment, what is town. At this point I'll mention that this speculation ignores whatever the Splinter-nin item mess is, if that changes my judgement I'll mention it later.

Truthfully, I cannot give an accurate judgement of my own behavior because it would be influenced very heavily by arguments, comments and votes in the endgame scenario where the SK hunt is even possible. I'll try though. The candidates are yourself, Magnum, Nin and Splinter.

First, I shall exclude nin from the consideration because I do not see the SK having an alignment check protection. It would be rather unorthodox. Alas, my answer will have to be that I do not know. I am much entertained by a Splinter vote in the endgame SK hunt scenario, because of his conviction to keep me alive as the SK til the end. On the other hand Magnum has been a complete outsider in terms of presence, the vote record and the easiness of his arguments. A play to prevent him being scum lynched possibly, as targets like this are people that make for good day lynches; no need to waste precious scum kills on those. Finally, only you remain. You'd be the boring safe candidate between the two extremes; the obvious chess grand master and the genius using a look of a fool as his cover.
Who do you believe is the SK?
 

Kyanrute

Member
Err I was running some numbers earlier and O don't see this getting to 3-1-0.

Assuming 3 scum (worst case scenario) and perfect lynches (actually quite likely as long as today goes as planned) then I think the winner of this game will be determined by night actions.

It's not looking super good for town at the moment, but the good news is that scum can't win either unless they kill the SK. If they do kill the SK, town regains their slim chance of winning.

However, I think scum will continue to block the SK, which will ironically lead to an SK win.

Of course there is also a slight wildcard in whatever nin's next item is.

To answer your actual question, Magnum. I don't know what you're getting at though.

(present) 4-1-3
(scum lynch) 4-1-2
(sk kills scum) 4-1-1

Oh yeah it falls apart at that point, true (scum kill would need to fail). But the numbers were just an example, just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter.
 

*Splinter

Member
(present) 4-1-3
(scum lynch) 4-1-2
(sk kills scum) 4-1-1

Oh yeah it falls apart at that point, true (scum kill would need to fail). But the numbers were just an example, just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter.
I'm not sure about your win condition, but if we lynch scum I'm pretty sure you'll kill me tonight.
 

Kyanrute

Member
Who do you believe is the SK?

context

noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect:
You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.


Read the questions Terra asked.
 

nin1000

Banned
context

noun
1.
the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect:
You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context.


Read the questions Terra asked.


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Kyanrute

Member
Ok so imma gonna try if i am getting this right:

N1 - Ty gives ? to Natiko and it ends up being stolen.
N2 - Ty gives out ? shot to Splinter.
N3 - Ty gives out an additional item giver to nin and it gets used on him. Nin gives ? to Terra, who does not receive anything. Splinter uses ? on Nin.
N4 - Nin gives da bomb to Ty who dies with it.

Pls correct me if wrong.
 

*Splinter

Member
Ok so imma gonna try if i am getting this right:

N1 - Ty gives ? to Natiko and it ends up being stolen.
N2 - Ty gives out ? shot to Splinter.
N3 - Ty gives out an additional item giver to nin and it gets used on him. Nin gives ? to Terra, who does not receive anything. Splinter uses ? on Nin.
N4 - Nin gives da bomb to Ty who dies with it.

Pls correct me if wrong.
Nin did not give anything to Terra. We don't know what the N3 item did or who it went to (although I suspect it went to AbsolutBro).
 

*Splinter

Member
I am so confused right now. So Nin is a second item giver? Which *Splinter somehow knew (I guess the PM when someone gets an item?)?
Yeah it's really easy to read the game when you have info noone thinks you have. I guess it's why it's always so much easier as a spectator to pick the scum team.
 

Kyanrute

Member
N1 - Ty gives ? to Natiko and it ends up being stolen.
N2 - Ty gives a ultimate cop shot of fuck scum to Splinter.
N3 - Ty gives ? to ?. Splinter uses the ultimate cop shot of fuck scum on Nin and discovers Nin's dirtiest secrets. Nin gives ? to Terra who received nothing.
D4 - Ty quits. Nin activates.
N4 - Nin gives da bomb to Ty.

Nin, when did you activate? If you have given out two items already, you needed to activate before Ty quit his gig. Splinter, now would be to time to tell what your item did.
 

Kyanrute

Member
and i was supposed to write that a new version of nin is released instead of him activating but i forgot

am a forgetful memer : (
 

*Splinter

Member
N1 - Ty gives ? to Natiko and it ends up being stolen.
N2 - Ty gives a ultimate cop shot of fuck scum to Splinter.
N3 - Ty gives ? to ?. Splinter uses the ultimate cop shot of fuck scum on Nin and discovers Nin's dirtiest secrets. Nin gives ? to Terra who received nothing.
D4 - Ty quits. Nin activates.
N4 - Nin gives da bomb to Ty.

Nin, when did you activate? If you have given out two items already, you needed to activate before Ty quit his gig. Splinter, now would be to time to tell what your item did.
It told me nin's role, which includes the word "backup". I don't believe nin gave Terra an item on N3.
 

Kyanrute

Member
i much prefer calling it a ultimate cop shot of fuck scum but i guess it is easier to call it a role cop shot

nin are you doing a gambit with the terra item thing
 

Ynnek7

Member
Sorry for missing most of todays end. Ended up sleeping in a lot later than I had planned....

vote:ynnek7

vote:ynnek7

This is two days in a row where you've voted for me with really horrible reasoning. The first was for my voting record, which I stand by. And the second was for not listening to Ty4on's suggestion on who to block.

I understand that he was confirmed town, but that doesn't make his reads any more valid than anyone else's. I went with my gut, explained my reasoning, and it worked.
 

Kyanrute

Member
so, Kyanrute

Absolut, Bronx and Ynnek

who would you want to see lynched ?

I prefer Absolut. Alternatively, I am willing to vote for Bronx or Ynnek. At this point we need to get the votes consolidated on a single target. If it means that I have to bow down to your preference or that of Splinter's, I am not against that.

Magnum, willing to join a vote pact? Interested in voting for anyone else than Ynnek?
 
AbsoluteBro who do you think is the SK?

Who do you think is the third scum (along with me and Kyan)?

FWIW I'm off you as Kyan's scum buddy (and Kyan as scum). I suspected you pretty much purely because you came to Kyan's defense right after he got "outed". But now it seems I went face first into a gambit instead. Well played. I understand if that reeks of backpedal BS though.

Given Nin is another town PR, I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Ynnek is a scum blocker. We could lynch him, but we need him to block the SK. Who is almost certainly Kyan at this point. If Kyan is scum, why on earth would Ynnek out him? He wouldn't. Which leaves two scum unaccounted for. I would lean towards Bronx. His vote on Kyan came early, right after Kyan was outed as being blocked. Third? Magnum has been quiet and showing up long enough to vote, but his votes are on Ynnek who has had heat on him lately. Dangerous place to park a vote I guess, although he could easily use it for town points later when Ynnek flips. Terra then? Could be. I dunno, clearly I've hit my usual point in the late game where my game completely falls apart. At least I'm consistent. :-\
 
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