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Nioh |OT| Stamina is Ki

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well i finished the game. one of the better stories in the genre with good albeit sparse cutscenes. also enjoying reading the amrita entries when i want to take a break from all this buttkicking. can't wait to dive into the dlc. was that a dlc teaser at the end?

that shore mission was pretty tough. could only beat it by running away to prevent offscreen deaths. not my kind of mission. maybe i shouldn't have gone there right away when it opened up.

anyway, i hope this game keeps evolving with balance patches and fixes until the dlc is out. my low-rent build (put points everywhere whatever) could clear everything. reading about op glitchy builds and seeing the same armor type from revenants is pretty telling. team ninja can do better than that. fix this shit.
 

Zesh

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Either Im having terrible luck or NG+ isn't really willing to drop me +weapons :/

The drop rate for + weapons isn't too great in the early missions. It gets a lot better in the later missions; maybe try some higher level region 3 missions if you don't have the other regions unlocked yet.
 

Ferr986

Member
The drop rate for + weapons isn't too great in the early missions. It gets a lot better in the later missions; maybe try some higher level region 3 missions if you don't have the other regions unlocked yet.

Thanks! Will try there, was doing the regular progression.
 

D i Z

Member
I'm sure that this has been answered already, but here it is again.
When forging new armor sets, do the set bonuses only apply along rarity levels?
Meaning, do you only get the bonus applied to the highest matching rarity items, and not the lower rarity ones even if you have more matches at that level?
 

Orcastar

Member
Started playing the game today. Cleared the opening area without dying once. Got to the game proper and reached the hut with the yokai. Was maybe one or two hits from killing him when I messed up a dodge and died. No biggie, I thought, and then proceeded to get killed by a lone samurai by the stairs before reaching my grave. There goes all my amrita.

I can't believe that even after completing every Soulsborne game I can still manage to fail like this. SMH...
 

Wagram

Member
Alright time to push towards the ending. I'm looking forward to this supposed difficult boss because so far there have been none on the level that i've been craving.
 
Not complaining at all, I don't mind the easier bosses! Just something I've noticed. Interesting to hear that there is a reason for some of the bosses being easier? That's intriguing.
Loot is a large contributor to the difficulty sinking like a rock. Big mistake to implement it, since it also devalues the level design by quite a margin and it's borderline impossible to properly balance given the freedom Team Ninja allowed players to tinker with stats et al. Ninjutsu / Onmyo and Living Weapon also significantly tone down the challenge in conjunction with the aforementioned, but those are comparatively speaking much easier to reign in if the devs ever intend to do so.

For the sequel it'd be nice if there was a "traditional action game mode" of some kind, as well as turning Living Weapon into a "not Umbran Climax 2.0" braindead component.
 

Baalzebup

Member
I don't really understand this to be honest. It should be dexterity but when I go to level up, skill gives +2 to kusarigama and dex gives only +1...
There are some point-for-point weirdness moments in the scaling numbers, but overall they will hold true. Save up Amrita for 5-10 levels and you'll see it better.
 

zewone

Member
Dat feel when you 100% NG+

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I don't really understand this to be honest. It should be dexterity but when I go to level up, skill gives +2 to kusarigama and dex gives only +1...

They're both similar.

I would level up both.
 
Alright time to push towards the ending. I'm looking forward to this supposed difficult boss because so far there have been none on the level that i've been craving.

I'm looking forward to you completing the game so the incessant posts about how easy the game is and how you never die can cease.
 

JerkShep

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Finished almost everything in NG, just waiting for a couple of Twilight Missions for the platinum. The combat is truly fantastic, and the level design is good as well. Maybe some of the levels were a little bit too similar in appearances but they all had some kind of small gimmick that made them unique. I'm not a fan of the sub missions set in the same areas as the main ones, they feel a bit like padding, but the combat arenas and the sub missions set in new environments were very good as well. I won't touch the subject of loot because it's not very appealing to me but it never detracted from the enjonment of the game either.

My main gripes with the game are enemy variety and the difficulty (or more appropriately, how the game is balanced).

Enemy variety is kind of self explanatory. I think the game needed more enemies or better yet more complex movesets for enemies and bosses. The number itself is fine but you end up fightning a lot of different enemies in the same way because their moves and the way they act are way too similar. Maybe having more mission/regions specific enemies could help as well. They seem to be tailored to a pure action game, and they would be fine there probably, but a character action games is a 10 hours affair mostly, not a 60 hours epic. At some point they start to become just a chore to get through. I enjoyed most of the Yokai Bosses and even most of the gimmick bosses but the human bosses can be obliterated in so many ways that I think they should be rethinked for a sequel or the coming DLCs.

The difficulty was reduced substantially from the Alpha, and it might even be a good thing in some way, but there are just so many ways to "break" the game that, except for a couple of spikes here and there, it becomes a bit too easy. And it's not like there are hidden combination that trivialize the game (there are, but that's not the point), and it's not as simple as saying "just don't use Sloth", because every skill tree have broken ass stuff that can be aquired with ten skill points at most and barely any stat investement. I think they need to rethink skills progression in some way. Gating combos is not the solution, on the contrary I think some abilities like parry should be unlocked from the get go (if balanced accordingly) and the dojo system is a bit too arbitrary. Maybe requiring heavier stat investments for the strongest Omnyo/Ninjutsu and rebalancing the damage of some physical abilities might help, I don't know.

I think Nioh is a fantastic game and as a first attempt is downright impressive, I just hope they focus on the few shortcomings. I'm eager to see what they do in the future.
 

N° 2048

Member
It really does feel like that and it is the reason I don't use it in boss fights.

I mained kusarigama and pumped almost exclusively dex the entire time. You will be fine.

Thanks and holy SHIT Kusarigama is amazing. Went from Sword/Spear to Kusarigama/Spear.

Reaper is insane.
 

IvorB

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Crap, I just respecced using Dex to scale Kusarigama.

Now you can sideline in ninjutsu!

There are some point-for-point weirdness moments in the scaling numbers, but overall they will hold true. Save up Amrita for 5-10 levels and you'll see it better.

Yeah it seems all over the place when you go level by level but I guess we know the answer now.

They're both similar.

I would level up both.

Yeah that's what I have been doing.


Oh right. That's weird.
 

myco666

Member
There's an ignore button for a reason. If you don't like it then block me. Otherwise shut it.

Curious. What kind of build are you running and what is your loadout?

Any recommendations? Pretty much still only using Onmyo and nothing in Ninja tree looks good enough to give up a slot for.

Quick Change, Power Pill, Gallnut Broth, Hemlock Broth, Tiger-running and pretty much all passive buffs.
 

Hobbes211

Member
Good call! Cheers

I'd say ignore Power Pill and take the Carnage spell instead. It lowers your defense but the damage scaling is higher, and when you sloth a boss it kinda nullifies the defense penalty. I play with an axe mostly, so between carnage, tiger speed, sloth and the defense buff from the axe stance, I can use the upgraded axe spin to beat most bosses in a couple hits.
 

RedFury

Member
I'd say ignore Power Pill and take the Carnage spell instead. It lowers your defense but the damage scaling is higher, and when you sloth a boss it kinda nullifies the defense penalty. I play with an axe mostly, so between carnage, tiger speed, sloth and the defense buff from the axe stance, I can use the upgraded axe spin to beat most bosses in a couple hits.
Why defense instead of the axe attack buff?
Also just got into axe so any combos or moves you recommend?
 

Baalzebup

Member
Does anyone know if
Yasuke
has a unique sword aswell as an axe?
He does, it is a 7 part set that includes both weapons. The name is Hoshi-kiri Tachi.
Why defense instead of the axe attack buff?
Also just got into axe so any combos or moves you recommend?
Carnage has the highest attack buff and you can only have one effect of that type active. You activate one and it overrides whatever you had before.
 

myco666

Member
Good call! Cheers

Also do the dojo missions for ninja stuff to try all the projectiles etc. I heard they are good but I don't really care for them. Bombs destroy the blob enemies though.

I'd say ignore Power Pill and take the Carnage spell instead. It lowers your defense but the damage scaling is higher, and when you sloth a boss it kinda nullifies the defense penalty. I play with an axe mostly, so between carnage, tiger speed, sloth and the defense buff from the axe stance, I can use the upgraded axe spin to beat most bosses in a couple hits.

If you are running a ninja build you can't get Sloth though or Carnage for that matter.
 

Hobbes211

Member
Why defense instead of the axe attack buff?

To offset the defense penalty of carnage, and the defense buff makes your attacks uninterruptible. I mostly use high stance, so I do mega damage and can just hit through their attacks. I forgot to mention I also use rejuvenation to keep me topped up. All of that mixed with the mystic art to make my spells last longer and I'm pretty beefy.

My backup is a sword. I generally use the listed above stuff, but I use low stance with the teleport up + X combo to get behind people and with the mystic art that buffs damage from behind people tend to melt. That doesn't work really great on humans, but on yokai it's almost unstoppable.
 

Hobbes211

Member
If you are running a ninja build you can't get Sloth though.

Sure you can. My friend is playing mostly with the Iga set and mained kusarigama and he has 20 points into onymo and a hefty amount in dex, heart and other stats. Basically the minimum to have 6 sloth spells on him for a mission, but also have a really high unlimited ninja skill stat (forget the name atm).
 

N° 2048

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To offset the defense penalty of carnage, and the defense buff makes your attacks uninterruptible. I mostly use high stance, so I do mega damage and can just hit through their attacks. I forgot to mention I also use rejuvenation to keep me topped up. All of that mixed with the mystic art to make my spells last longer and I'm pretty beefy.

This is interesting :)
 

FrankWza

Member
I'm looking forward to you completing the game so the incessant posts about how easy the game is and how you never die can cease.

There's an ignore button for a reason. If you don't like it then block me. Otherwise shut it.


I mean...i dont think 1 person has replied to anything youve said besides me a week ago when i told you to put a blindfold on and play. At this point its amazing you're not about to finish nioh part 2 yet. Whats taking so long man?
 

myco666

Member
Sure you can. My friend is playing mostly with the Iga set and mained kusarigama and he has 20 points into onymo and a hefty amount in dex, heart and other stats. Basically the minimum to have 6 sloth spells on him for a mission, but also have a really high unlimited ninja skill stat (forget the name atm).

Obviously you can have a hybrid build. But then it really isn't a ninja build anymore imo. I still have base omnyo because of it so no magic for me outside of elemental talismans.
 

Hobbes211

Member
Obviously you can have a hybrid build. But then it really isn't a ninja build anymore imo. I still have base omnyo because of it so no magic for me outside of elemental talismans.

Oh I see. You mean from more of an RP perspective. If you're going full ninja, yeah, power piill is for sure a good way to go.
 

t1gerjaw

Member
Only need to finish a couple of Twilight Missions and "A meeting on the other shore" for the platinum.
I already hate "a meeting..."
 

Silvard

Member
Does anyone have a (endgame weapon spoilers)
Kusanagi Tsurugi
with 7 special effects including an inheritable trait? Or 6 without and an empty slot?
 
Only need to finish a couple of Twilight Missions and "A meeting on the other shore" for the platinum.
I already hate "a meeting..."

Definitely the hardest thing about the Plat. Took me like 20 tries. I couldn't do it without Sloth either. Had some badass in here tell me it ain't that hard, but it fucking is unless I missed some easy trick. Dragging the fast
Nobunaga
away from
the Ice Lady
and turning it into a temporary 1:1 is obviously the strategy though. I'd argue 95% of the players out there don't have the skill and/or patience to emerge victorious against these two.

Also starting the fight with a cannon shot to
Nobunaga's
face definitely helps as you can impale him instantly on the ground. That's how I started every single attempt.
 
Does anyone have a (endgame weapon spoilers)
Kusanagi Tsurugi
with 7 special effects including an inheritable trait? Or 6 without and an empty slot?

Pretty sure that's what my sword is. Has Change to Attack Spirit A+ and Fire elemental damage, among others.
 
Does anyone have a (endgame weapon spoilers)
Kusanagi Tsurugi
with 7 special effects including an inheritable trait? Or 6 without and an empty slot?

Shouldn't pretty much all divine versions of this weapon meet that requirement? Y'know, besides the clearly fucked up ones that literally only have two effects for some reason.
 

Hobbes211

Member
Definitely the hardest thing about the Plat. Took me like 20 tries. I couldn't do it without Sloth either. Had some badass in here tell me it ain't that hard, but it fucking is unless I missed some easy trick. Dragging the fast
Nobunaga
away from
the Ice Lady
and turning it into a temporary 1:1 is obviously the strategy though. I'd argue 95% of the players out there don't have the skill and/or patience to emerge victorious against these two.

Also starting the fight with a cannon headshot to
Nobunaga's
face definitely helps as you can impale him instantly on the ground. That's how I started every single attempt.

It took me about 5 or 6 tries to finally get them down, but I highly suggest going for
her first as she has a tendency to drop ice bombs all around you and/or fly across the arena and impale you
, then
Nobunaga
. Sloth is pretty much mandatory lol. Couldn't ever imagine beating that without it.
 

myco666

Member
Definitely the hardest thing about the Plat. Took me like 20 tries. I couldn't do it without Sloth either. Had some badass in here tell me it ain't that hard, but it fucking is unless I missed some easy trick. Dragging the fast
Nobunaga
away from
the Ice Lady
and turning it into a temporary 1:1 is obviously the strategy though. I'd argue 95% of the players out there don't have the skill and/or patience to emerge victorious against these two.

Also starting the fight with a cannon shot to
Nobunaga's
face definitely helps as you can impale him instantly on the ground. That's how I started every single attempt.

I wish the hardest thing in this game only took 20 tries for me lol. You really need to pick your moments in that fight because there aren't many. Don't really see how anyone could say it is easy unless they use sloth or what have you.

It took me about 5 or 6 tries to finally get them down, but I highly suggest going for
her first as she has a tendency to drop ice bombs all around you and/or fly across the arena and impale you
, then
Nobunaga
. Sloth is pretty much mandatory lol. Couldn't ever imagine beating that without it.

It ain't mandatory.
 

RedFury

Member
He does, it is a 7 part set that includes both weapons. The name is Hoshi-kiri Tachi.

Carnage has the highest attack buff and you can only have one effect of that type active. You activate one and it overrides whatever you had before.
Man shit like this should be explained some where. There is so many rules and although I like the fact that I'm literally learning something new everyday since release it doesn't help the casuals who are already having a difficult time.

Edit: Also thanks for the info to you, and all others helping out. You guys are single handedly helping keep the community alive and others through things they would normally given up on by now.
 
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