Pagusas
Elden Member
Asus owned asrock. Asrock was the asus cheap/value brand. Asus is one of the most reliable brands. I think Asus might have completely spun off asrock at some point, so it may be it's own entity now.
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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3
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Asus owned asrock. Asrock was the asus cheap/value brand. Asus is one of the most reliable brands. I think Asus might have completely spun off asrock at some point, so it may be it's own entity now.
Brofist
Member
I think ASUS is probably a more reputable brand, I don't see why there would be any problems unless you are looking to save money.
I've had quite ASUS motherboards. They've overall been good.
One of my Rampage 3 Blacks was DOA and they were a pain in the ass. In fact they blamed it on bent pins (which weren't bent when I sent it for the RMA). I ultimately ate the 400dollar cost.
My other Rampage 3 Black motherboards are in fact still running i7-930s and outside of the onboard sound on one of them dying, they've been incredibly stable.
Aztechnology
Member
I actually really like Asus motherboards my last three builds were Asus and all were phenomenal. A lot of features, good price and reliable.
Poot Poot Splash
Member
I only buy ASUS motherboards. Very reliable but if you have to RMA, good luck. Possibly the worst customer support out there.
Yep. I've gone with MSI, Asus, Gigabyte, and Biostar and Asus boards have been the best--personally--followed by MSI. Biostar has failed on me
I used to always buy ASRock and they have been awesome. My latest build I went ASUS since I had the money, but i'm pretty disappointed with it.
The overclocking fails constantly. 10% of the time it takes 2 minutes to POST. No amount of tinkering or updates seems to fix it.
If I get a Ryzen in a few months, I will probably go back to ASRock.
The overclocking fails constantly. 10% of the time it takes 2 minutes to POST. No amount of tinkering or updates seems to fix it.
If I get a Ryzen in a few months, I will probably go back to ASRock.
The Lone Courier
Member
What its cheaper is it not?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
There is a Microcenter close to me and they had a Skylake 6700K, MSI Z170, and 16GB RAM deal for $500.
I wont lie I was very tempted.
But I didn't bite. Unless Ryzen ends up being a bust and/or Intel cuts their prices into "too good to be true" territory, I feel I owe it to AMD to give them my business.
It's also very encouraging to see all of these preorders being sold out.
I wont lie I was very tempted.
But I didn't bite. Unless Ryzen ends up being a bust and/or Intel cuts their prices into "too good to be true" territory, I feel I owe it to AMD to give them my business.
It's also very encouraging to see all of these preorders being sold out.
NeOak
Member
SolidSnakeUS
Member
While I recently got a 6700K in the past year or so, I'd love to still get one of these. Not going to for now, may wait a few more years, but still.
Really still waiting on new Vega info.
Really still waiting on new Vega info.
Aztechnology
Member
Well my MSi X99 board has also caused me a lot of grief. I'm curious what killed his processors really means. Because I have had tons of issues with X99 boards in generals. 2011-v3, I would honestly just recommend staying away from. Problems seem to be pretty widespread and much higher than they should be.
The multiple horror stories I've always heard about x99 was one of the reasons I've stayed away from HEDT intel for so long.
It will be nice to finally have a range of reliable and thorough independent reviews so months of rampant speculation, positive or negative, can be set aside.
Whatever the outcome, this should be an interesting product launch.
Following up on these claims:
Intel Plays Dirty Over Ryzen, Attempts to Manipulate Ryzen Reviews?
https://www.techpowerup.com/231038/intel-plays-dirty-over-ryzen-attempts-to-manipulate-ryzen-reviews
Intel scrambles, emails tech media over Ryzen reviews
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56457/intel-scrambles-emails-tech-media-over-ryzen-reviews/index.html
Whatever the outcome, this should be an interesting product launch.
Following up on these claims:
·feist·;230050423 said:***RUMOR***
AMD Ryzen: Intel allegedly briefed its partners with PR phrases
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/AMD-Zen-Codename-261795/News/Ryzen-Intel-Kaby-Lake-S-1220311/
Looks like Intel is training their associates about Ryzen - funny evasions 101
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/commen...ing_their_associates/?st=iywwxwd8&sh=b58f7978
Intel Plays Dirty Over Ryzen, Attempts to Manipulate Ryzen Reviews?
https://www.techpowerup.com/231038/intel-plays-dirty-over-ryzen-attempts-to-manipulate-ryzen-reviews
Intel scrambles, emails tech media over Ryzen reviews
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56457/intel-scrambles-emails-tech-media-over-ryzen-reviews/index.html
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Those allegations seemed kind of like AMD-fanboy-shitting-on-Intel type stuff to me, but if they are legit it shows just how small their slap on the wrist was last time. No qualms pulling the same shenanigans again.
Intel can only lose when you have about 90% of the desktop/server market when AMD comes out with a chip like this.
Of course they are going to do everything they can to not lose money.
Even if they get fined 1 billion by the EU in 10 years, it won't be nothing compared to what they could potentially lose if they don't play dirty.
It's just good business.
Of course they are going to do everything they can to not lose money.
Even if they get fined 1 billion by the EU in 10 years, it won't be nothing compared to what they could potentially lose if they don't play dirty.
It's just good business.
NeOak
Member
They will pull the same shenanigans. Or try at least.
KojiKnight
Member
They will, and before they can be stopped, amd will already be dead... But that's okay, Intel will get a small fine before claiming their monopoly.
NeOak
Member
Of the two claims, the older PR guidance for Intel's partners would seem more likely as many companies take a similar stance with what is assumed to be competitive product from another company in their field.
Despite the editorialising, the second claim could prove interesting if it's at all accurate, and we see any results from it. AFAIK, the graphics agreement hasn't been fully clarified by Intel or AMD, though it seems unlikely to unfold the way the writer speculates. For one, apart from S3 and some others, you primarily need to license certain graphics IP from either Nvidia or AMD.
Intel had been licensing from Nvidia and now have looked to AMD. It could be fans, stock-influencers, or other sources, but there has been endless speculation of Intel using Radeon tech instead of simply licensing AMD patents as it relates to their own GPU tech. We'll see.
You have a new CPU arch, new socket, and new platform(s) in X370, B350 and the others. There is a lot of room for bugs and BIOS problems to emerge. Some of those could take weeks/months to be resolved.
Despite the editorialising, the second claim could prove interesting if it's at all accurate, and we see any results from it. AFAIK, the graphics agreement hasn't been fully clarified by Intel or AMD, though it seems unlikely to unfold the way the writer speculates. For one, apart from S3 and some others, you primarily need to license certain graphics IP from either Nvidia or AMD.
Intel had been licensing from Nvidia and now have looked to AMD. It could be fans, stock-influencers, or other sources, but there has been endless speculation of Intel using Radeon tech instead of simply licensing AMD patents as it relates to their own GPU tech. We'll see.
It's best to wait for reviews, really. B350 will be lower priced, but you'll need to read site reviews and owner experiences to know which specific boards are worthwhile.
You have a new CPU arch, new socket, and new platform(s) in X370, B350 and the others. There is a lot of room for bugs and BIOS problems to emerge. Some of those could take weeks/months to be resolved.
This is my experience as well. Great product, shit service.
Thanks, I will keep an eye on those specific ones. I see an ATX board for $99 and I will keep an eye on that one.
·feist·;231099895 said:
Ah, right. My new build will be held off until early April so this is perfect and I can go through reviews. Thanks.
Unknown Soldier
Member
ASUS still never acknowledged their early X99 boards killed CPUs. It was a big scandal around the X99 launch period, a bunch of BIOS updates were released to mitigate it, but it wasn't until the refresh boards came out that the problem was truly resolved.
I only owned Gigabyte and MSI boards so I guess I dodged that bullet. My MSI X99A Raider has been a champion, no problems running DDR4-3200 in quad-channel, only cost $130 at Fry's too because of some crazy BF deal lol
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
All the chipsets seem to have pretty minimal improvements over one another.
If you aren't overclocking A320 is probably fine. If you are, B350 is will probably do. None of them seem so gimpy to the point you may want to avoid them.
If you aren't overclocking A320 is probably fine. If you are, B350 is will probably do. None of them seem so gimpy to the point you may want to avoid them.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I sincerely hope AMD is planning on having more than just dual-channel DDR4 for Ryzen. Maybe not in the consumer chipsets but the server chipsets better support triple or quad-channel memory.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I imagine that will come with Naples and socket SP3.
brain_stew
Member
Going with dual channel memory was a deliberate bet taken in order to deliver an 8 core CPU into the mainstream desktop market at a lower cost without compromising performance in the vast majority of common workloads.
For my money it was the right compromise for the mainstream market segment but Naples is looking at an entirely different market segment where a wider memory bus makes more sense.
FutureProtagonist
Neo Member
Naples is supposed to have 8-channel memory and 64 PCI-E lanes. Sounds like a beast.
It's 128 PCIe lanes, if I recall correctly. Those are both per-socket, and given they're largely going to be used in multi-socketed systems the aggregate memory bandwidth/PCIe capacity will be pretty crazy.
Don't expect to ever see them in desktops, though, it's absolutely a high-end server/HPC platform, competing with the likes of Intel's 20+ core chips and IBM's Power9.
PCEVA：http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-137649-1-1.html
1700X@3.4g vs 6800k@3.4g
Intel：
Intel Core i7 6800K ：3.4G
ASUS STRIX X99 GAMING
16GB DDR4-2400（dual channel）
RX 480 8G 1266/2000 8GB GDDR5
BIOS：1401
OS：Win10 64bit
Crimson 17.2.1
2017.2.23
AMD：
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X ：3.4G
ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
16GB DDR4-2133
RX 480 8G 1266/2000 8GB GDDR5
BIOS：404
OS：Win10 64bit
Crimson 17.2.1
2017.2.10
Found by csbin over at anandtech forums.
1700X@3.4g vs 6800k@3.4g
Intel：
Intel Core i7 6800K ：3.4G
ASUS STRIX X99 GAMING
16GB DDR4-2400（dual channel）
RX 480 8G 1266/2000 8GB GDDR5
BIOS：1401
OS：Win10 64bit
Crimson 17.2.1
2017.2.23
AMD：
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X ：3.4G
ASUS PRIME X370-PRO
16GB DDR4-2133
RX 480 8G 1266/2000 8GB GDDR5
BIOS：404
OS：Win10 64bit
Crimson 17.2.1
2017.2.10
Found by csbin over at anandtech forums.
1700x is $399 and 6800k is $410. (on newegg) The MBs are more expensive for 6800k on top of that though. (But 4 channel memory and 4 extra PCI-E Lanes if you somehow need that)
So for gaming it's almost the same perf/$.
Until there's good benches I'm not calling anything, tho.
Tacklemacain
Member
You are comparing a 6 core and a 8 core CPU. The 6 core ryzen will probably have a better price/performance ratio then the 6800k.
Yeah, but it's still useful to compare in the same price bracket, not only on same characteristics.
dr_rus
Member
Does nto stte at what clockspeed this was achieved though, could be OCed to hell and back.
nismopower
Member
Holy crap my xeon x5670 6core 12 threads on 4.42ghz gets 1500 single en 10200 multi score.
So this would be a major upgrade in performance for me.
Their efforts don't make a dent as Intel doesn't have the patience necessary to keep pushing into other areas with the knowledge that they'll never manage to reach the profit margin that they enjoy in their core market. In the last decade Intel has seen a rather comical back and forth between periodical expansions into new areas and blunt percental cut down on their workforce to appease their shareholder. They'll double down on their efforts should the profit margin in their core market drop significantly.
Intel was caught doing this same thing and fined 10 years ago or so. I find it very believable. Why would they not do it again, as you said last time was slap on the wrist.
I just realized my CPU is now 4 years old (and my GPU 3), and while I can't run games maxed out at 1440p, they still hold up fine at medium/high for most every game.
Quite the contrast from gaming in the 90s and early/mid 00s
I'll gladly upgrade though if this thing turns out like it looks like it will. Intel is sleazy as shit (still bitter about how Dell and them f'd over AMD for years while lying to customers' faces about why Dell didn't carry AMD), and seeing AMD have something competitive makes me happy.
Quite the contrast from gaming in the 90s and early/mid 00s
I'll gladly upgrade though if this thing turns out like it looks like it will. Intel is sleazy as shit (still bitter about how Dell and them f'd over AMD for years while lying to customers' faces about why Dell didn't carry AMD), and seeing AMD have something competitive makes me happy.
I typically will only go asus, built a few mini itx builds this year and they were all asus motherboards.
Nostremitus
Member
How reliable are MSI motherboards?
I usually go with Gigabyte, Asus, or ASRock.
Their new Carbon board looks nice as hell, though.
I usually go with Gigabyte, Asus, or ASRock.
Their new Carbon board looks nice as hell, though.
TC McQueen
Member
I've been rocking an MSI Z77 board for the last 4 years. It's super solid, although a lot of their pack-in software from that generation wasn't super great.
I'm also looking at the Carbon board, mostly because it's close to my price range ($150) and has all the slots I need, unlike Gigabyte or Asus. I'm not at all familiar with ASRock, so I'm waiting on reviews and hopefully comparisons to see how the boards pan out.
If there's a lot of glowing reviews for Biostar, I might check them out too, but I'm not too eager to get mobos from company people thought was dead.