Sauce Marlow
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Everybody say it with me! "PEOPLE AREN'T UPSET AT THE JOKE ITSELF"
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Everybody say it with me! "PEOPLE AREN'T UPSET AT THE JOKE ITSELF"
I mean, yeah this probably pissed off some people, but I think the majority of people are more upset at his following comments -- the one where he calls everyone a humorless sack of shit for taking his "joke" to heart.
On a side note, jokes clearly don't work for Colin because he's just not a funny dude, lol.
HIGH DEF JEFF
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People here aren't.
There's umpteen examples of people being upset at the tweet itself.
Him doubling down wouldn't have been a thing if people weren't upset at the joke.
People were upset at the joke.
ScientificPizza
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Not sure I understand. I would ordinarily avoid outrage/triggered/micro-aggression stuff, but the fact that it involves KF, it seems unavoidable. Not sure what the "camps" are, though. Just sharing how I see things.
And there is infinite examples of people being upset at people being upset at the joke. You can't make that point without it going both ways.
Darryl M R
Member
It's great then that the individuals in this thread have continued to provide context to the discussion that focuses on Colin having a pattern of baiting responses by trolling only to play the victim afterwards.
even without the "sack of shit" comment, why would you take the time to make an edgy joke to (as austin walker put) "transmute a deficit of positive relationships with women into an air of detached, post-PC coolness"
Sure. I don't disagree.
Sauce Marlow
Member
Nobody is upset at the joke. Go back and read the reply to the tweet itself. 95% of the replies are basement dwelling gamergate supporters wringing their hands about how all the SJWs are going to be so triggered. People took exception to a man-baby throwing a public tantrum and calling people "sacks of shit" just because his joke fell flat.
Here's a a suggestion for Colin. Next time you want to tell an edgy joke, make sure it's actually a good one. Otherwise leave the comedy to the comedians and go play some more Vita.
All these people calling Tim and Greg bad friends for not having his back like they're in a Godfather movie, but what about Colin being a bad friend? By doing his stupid trolling he put the spotlight on the company and his friends in a really bad way. A lot of people and peers from the industry took twitter to criticize him and by extension Kinda Funny. I guess you can argue that this went too far but still, Colin knew what he was doing and the damage has been done.
For people that prides themselves in having a lot of connections and friends in the business, having a portion of professionals chastising you can't be good. I'd argue that Colin put Greg on the spot and forced him to release a statement to appease everybody. If Colin was such a good friend that have their back, maybe he shoud have done it himself when he saw things were going awry.
For people that prides themselves in having a lot of connections and friends in the business, having a portion of professionals chastising you can't be good. I'd argue that Colin put Greg on the spot and forced him to release a statement to appease everybody. If Colin was such a good friend that have their back, maybe he shoud have done it himself when he saw things were going awry.
Why would you take the time? You wouldn't. It was a mistake.
The people who keep repeating IT'S NOT THE JOKE like it's some kind of absolute do not speak for the crowd. Perhaps that's right for them...
There's no black or white here
The context of the joke seems to be poking fun of the specific wording of the hashtag rather than the celebration of women thing anyway.
Really doesn't seem edgy at all.
Swimmer9800
Member
I've been a long-time fan of Colin. I share relatively similar political views as him and have a passion for politics as well. I am very far from a bigot or racist and have been chastised in off-topic political threads several times over on here. I know what it's like.
ScientificPizza
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there was literally fourteen minutes between those two things hahahaa
Which is about 46 dog years online
Swimmer9800
Member
This is the product of far leftist ultra-PC obsession.
Audioboxer
Member
That's the modern day currency on the internet, playing a victim. Whether it's posting inflammatory remarks to bait, then play a victim when people call you out, or it's spending time finding said inflammatory baiting remarks and stating how unhappy you are for hours on end, when often they can be ignored, or called out without some losing their minds.
The thing that riles some people up is there is always so much more important shit going on, than the CM's and PDP's getting 20~50 pages of arguing, whilst other topics of serious interest get a handful of comments or remarks.
Darryl M R
Member
Yes I can see how you could come to this conclusion if you avoided reading the posts in this thread and came in with an agenda. Yes.
It would be less notable if Colin did not go on minute long rants nearly often about people playing the victim and outrage culture. It's laughable how someone can be so passionate also about civil conversations but when given the chance to practice what he preaches he hurls insults.
And I don't see how people deciding to discuss this topic takes away from other discussions. I have no interest to go into a thread about the Switch's wifi issue and I'm sure people posting in there might not care to discuss CM, PSILY, and KF.
Swimmer9800
Member
This industry is overwhelmingly liberal and that's fine, but I think a moderately conservative voice is invaluable.
Seems like people are mixing camps.
Colin's peers were offended by the joke, full stop. The subtweeting wasn't about the follow-up
The fans/former fans or whatever take umbrage with Colin's follow-up and the general feeling that Colin's cyclical trolling is growing tiresome.
Colin's peers were offended by the joke, full stop. The subtweeting wasn't about the follow-up
The fans/former fans or whatever take umbrage with Colin's follow-up and the general feeling that Colin's cyclical trolling is growing tiresome.
ScientificPizza
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Maybe on Twitter, but not in this thread
Swimmer9800
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I've read about 5 or so pages. I understand that people are upset with Gregs response as well. I personally find this entire situation to he absurd.
Good point
ScientificPizza
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Darryl M R
Member
Well their "best friends" seem to be quite upset at Greg and Tim. I don't see people on GAF being upset about Greg's response.
If you have been "chastised" in OT then you probably have said something ignorant, straight up. People can recognize that other people lean more left or right but OT has no patience for people that might argue that human rights are a political issue.
McMoneyman
Member
Went to check on todays videos and sure enough there's fighting among the fans again. Funny enough the Colin was Right video doesn't have a lot of dislikes...
Yes, neogaf is a perfectly metered and thoughtful community that always considers its hand before ploughing in.
Audioboxer
Member
I don't mean that I mean on the likes of international women's day there is much more important shit to care about than a tweet from CM. The gulf of options isn't narrowed to talk about it or don't, it's an observation of why does shit like this and PDP spawn literally tens of thousands of argumentative backs and forths, but real world politics doesn't always. You know the shit that actually matters, policies, actions, and so forth, not tweets that aren't even targeting anyone personally, but some generalised lame jokes.
That's the side of the internet that can get annoying. It's incredibly easy to hitch your political activism on targeting mean tweets, it's more intellectually challenging to actually be in debating and seriously discussing policies, countries actions, politicians actions, etc. I would say, maybe in this case, a lot of KF fans AREN'T interested in politics, and that's why they don't like Colin always talking about them. However, that is why my advice to him is go on your own if it's your passion, as it IS annoying KF fans who just want gaming chat. I do however roll my eyes a little when the internet does at times jump right to we want your job, your income, your livelihood and for you to fall apart. Sometimes that is way out of proportion, but as I said in my longer blurb about Colin, he does start that rock rolling down the hill with the way he conducts himself.
Swimmer9800
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OK since i seem to be ignorant, could you tell me why the outrage on gaf?
SerTapTap
Member
"Conservative voices" isn't supposed to be synonymous work "assholes". Don't you want as actually good representative?
People say shit like this then wonder why people act like being an asshole is a core conservative tenant.
I'm a REAL libertarian btw. Not an authoritarian coddling irony poisoned bigot like Colin. People like him are the worst thing to happen to my (very loosely attached) "party". I would love more libertarian voices. I would hate more Colins. They make us look like shit.
Not sure what is funny about that?
ScientificPizza
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No, I mean it literally didn't happen in this thread. You can go back and see. Look at the time stamps if you want to. What you're saying didn't happen.
H.Cornerstone
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I am just going to start quoting BlackThorns post anytime someone says "its the joke"
McMoneyman
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Bad choice of words I guess. But considering who's(#IStandWithColin fans) disliking it and making the comment sections toxic on yesterday and todays videos.
Swimmer9800
Member
For context, I was chastised for trying to be a voice of reason on innaguration day in a thread drown in hyperbole. I was never denying human rights.
Note: I also didn't vote for Trump either.
Sure but trolling is not valuable. He has been doing it more often lately, squandering his chance for the reasonable discussion he champions.
That's a really well articulated explanation of one poster's opinion... many may agree, not all.
No absolutes.
Swimmer9800
Member
Authoritarian coddling? In what sense?
H.Cornerstone
Member
Reading the thread, I would say that is the opinion of over 90% of the people who disliked what Colin did.
He didn't say all agree
Darryl M R
Member
Who is outraged? People are discussing a topic. Apparently if you have a negative view on a topic you must be outraged.
You are making the assumption that people are revealing all they care about when they decide to discuss a topic on GAF. And real world politics does spawn a lot of comments back and forth. Go to OT. I am able to have multiple conversation in a day, from Horizon, Colin, ACA, and cyber security.
If Colin wants to talk about politics I support him in having a new series or channel where he can do that. But I also accept that he might blend his politics into his gaming talk. What I don't blindly accept is him being a hypocrite and a troll.
Audioboxer
Member
Well, to be authortarian is usually to force people into doing things, either via legislation or via some form of threats (verbal or physical). To be a libertarian is usually to value personal freedom highly, and that the state only legislates against very few, often dangerous actions. So speech, what you want to smoke, eat, who you want to sleep with, marry, etc, are things to let people do as they please.
I'm not quite sure what 'Authoritarian coddling' would refer to. Colin may be stating some dubious political stances, but I don't know if I've seen him talk about big overreaching government. Voter ID debates are probably the closest I've heard.
Not you personally Darryl. I know I see your face around in many topics. I was speaking generally, but I think I did answer my own query in regards to CM. A lot of KF fans don't do politics, hence as a large fanbase a lot of them are being outspoken now, on a singular political issue. I say that loosely, as Colin's individual stances as a citizen not even involved in politics really don't matter versus any actual politicians in power, and legislating.
Generally speaking though, it can still be frustrating to see "tweet news", the modern day clickbait over stupid tweets which ends up with massive brawls online.
Well, no matter how 'outraged' "liberal" "SJW" "PC-crazy" people are about Colin, they don't seem to feel the need to form some outraged lynch-mob that goes around mass-downvoting Colin's videos. They mostly simply state their disagreement or possibly withdraw their financial support for Colin's show.
Meanwhile, the oh-so-not-outraged defense force is rather fast to form such kind of movement.
just check the dislikes on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrEmDSy5sk which, up until this point was one of his more controversial recent statements. Followed by him doubling down, saying Rami Ismail was bullied into clarifying he disagreed with the last segment.
so, i actually agree, it's kinda funny (heh) to see who's actually engaging in "outrage", and who's rather calmly disagreeing with him.
Swimmer9800
Member
I'm well aware of what the words mean. Thank you. I was asking for that poster to elaborate.
Edit:colin is outspokenly a small govt guy.
WrenchNinja
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There is so much wrong here I'm not sure where to even begin