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Dragon Ball Super |OT5| Zenophobia
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Android18a
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I'm pretty sure they're going to disagree on something at some point.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Don't hate
Why don't you have a seat over there.
It's clear from the way it has being talking about that it's basically a cultural level thing and to be honest fans have been way more obsessed with power levels than the show ever has.
Even toriyama doesn't care much, fans put way too much stock into it than he does.
EarlyEarly
Member
I infinitely like the way the manga is going compared to the anime. Vegeta a while back in the anime didn't want to waste time in the chamber because they'd see little gains but this arc he goes in and comes back stronger than Black somehow. The manga at least gives him a new technique and to use. And Goku failing the mafuba is better than Trunks mastering it in a short period of time IMO.
The way things are going, if the winning universe is the one with the most survivors, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan will probably out number the sole survivors of whichever remaining universes. Maybe Hit and Jiren won't job but still lose due to technicality.
The way things are going, if the winning universe is the one with the most survivors, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan will probably out number the sole survivors of whichever remaining universes. Maybe Hit and Jiren won't job but still lose due to technicality.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
I'm gonna assume those higher level universes didn't have a bunch of world destroyers wiping out civilization after civilization like U7 as the gods seemingly did nothing.
And yeah, I figure Vegeta gets a more intense work out at this point from his training room than what the RoSaT/HTC offers minus the time difference which is the biggest benefit at this point.
And yeah, I figure Vegeta gets a more intense work out at this point from his training room than what the RoSaT/HTC offers minus the time difference which is the biggest benefit at this point.
Epsilon-delta
Banned
If Toppo was scouted to be the next God of Destruction, then Jiren must be on an entirely different level. The power scaling is bonkers.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
The word justice is going to be the ningen of this saga isn't it. Goddamnit. Also:
- Buu can create clones of himself, can't he? So U7 can have as many fighters if they want.....and have some small sample laying on the ground hidden. Even if they bump him off he can revive himself from that small piece, can't he? So technically he isn't out.
- Loved Beerus and Goku arguing, Goku gives no fuck about Beerus anymore. Lol.
- Goddamn, Goku gets a lot of shit but Toppo is dense as fuck. Justice this, justice that. Not even listening. Fuck that dude.
- Gohan laughing while Goku is being crushed, reminded me of the Cell saga. "Doesn't feel good huh does it?"
- Whis should train all of them.
It will be great if Goku is the target for all other universes but he and Hit just take them out easily so they can have the arena for themselves.
- Buu can create clones of himself, can't he? So U7 can have as many fighters if they want.....and have some small sample laying on the ground hidden. Even if they bump him off he can revive himself from that small piece, can't he? So technically he isn't out.
- Loved Beerus and Goku arguing, Goku gives no fuck about Beerus anymore. Lol.
- Goddamn, Goku gets a lot of shit but Toppo is dense as fuck. Justice this, justice that. Not even listening. Fuck that dude.
- Gohan laughing while Goku is being crushed, reminded me of the Cell saga. "Doesn't feel good huh does it?"
- Whis should train all of them.
It will be great if Goku is the target for all other universes but he and Hit just take them out easily so they can have the arena for themselves.
Not really since Beerus had no idea that there was even a mortal level, so he's basically talking out of his ass.
Art. The animation was fine to very good at points.
Host Samurai
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I can deal with mediocre animation if the art is good and this arc is hitting all the right notes 90% of the time with me. Love the Buu Saga look to it.
Represent.
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Wish they'd bring Future Trunks back for the tournament.
Animation =/= character art
He's too busy having a weird orgy with his and Mais double
But this episode was the opposite. Good animation with wonky art.
I wanted Toppo to win so Goku can get his shit together,but then he started with the annoying justice thing and i was like "Ok,goku shut this guy's trap".
I've noticed that Beerus is starting to lose authority over Goku,he needs to kicks his ass again to remind him who is the boss of U7.
I've noticed that Beerus is starting to lose authority over Goku,he needs to kicks his ass again to remind him who is the boss of U7.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
F. Trunks has now interacted with two different versions of himself.
I wish we got to see the timeline he went to.
I wish we got to see the timeline he went to.
Whis offered to scout Vegeta even before the God Ki training, didn't he? Possibly the floor is around SSJ2 and it just requires the right mentality to become a destroyer god after that.
SaviourMK2
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I know it's not going to go anywhere, because god forbid Super has deeper plot element (I wil admit, the Future Trunks arc had one going).But does ANYONE else feel like the great priest is up to something?
Oh thank god i'm not the only one who noticed the shitty animation on Beerus
Oh thank god i'm not the only one who noticed the shitty animation on Beerus
Host Samurai
Member
When he comes back, it will be Vegeta and Goku going to him.
Actually I don't even think Beerus is alive in his timeline sine Kaioshin was killed by Dabra.
Aaronrules380
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I'll be really disappointed if they don't bring up old kaos ritaul. I feel like some mention of the room of space and time is inevitable, but the ritual is supposed to be even more effective than a lifetime of training, so I'll be disappointed if it's just forgotten. I wouldn't even mind if it's role is just Gohan doing it again to regain mystic form
Ideally they'd combine the two methods to power up as many members as possible with the ritaul, except Goku and Vegeta who'd probably refuse and Buu who probably wouldn't be able to stay still long enough. Maybe 17 and 18 too since the ritual might not be compatible with androids
Ideally they'd combine the two methods to power up as many members as possible with the ritaul, except Goku and Vegeta who'd probably refuse and Buu who probably wouldn't be able to stay still long enough. Maybe 17 and 18 too since the ritual might not be compatible with androids
flintstryker
Banned
Maybe one of him will be the new God of destruction
Fulminator
Member
Both Gohan and Goku knew that Goku wasnt in any real danger from that bear hug
SaviourMK2
Member
Doesn't Buu's power reduce the more pieces of himself that are disconnected?
Aaronrules380
Member
On the topic of the toppo fight, I find it funny that Toppo suggested Goku and himself were evenly matched in any capacity when The fight became pretty one sided the moment Goku went SSB. It was far more even with a slight edge to Toppo at normal SSJ goku
SaviourMK2
Member
He probably didn't even have to go SSB, he probably could have gone to SS3 and escaped that hug
NeonZ
Member
I could see that a while back, but this arc has been going fairly slow in the manga after the battles in the future started. I think Sword of Light (or whatever is his power up) Trunks vs Fused Zamasu could take an entire chapter in the manga.
Something must be going on, even if it isn't the Grand Priest as some kind of evil conspirator. The characterization Zen'o has up to now doesn't line up with wanting to destroy universes due to "mortal levels" at all.
But at the end, Toppo started powering up too, which caused Goku to "match" him by going SSBKK before the fight was called off. They were both holding back, Toppo seemed surprised at how much SSB increased Goku's power but at the same time, the dude took an SSB Instant Transmission Kamahameha blast to the face, and was still standing and pissed off about how his uniform got ripped.
Seven Force
Banned
Heh, for most of the Toppo fight, I was looking at all the teleporting going on and thinking "Wow, this kind of reminds me of Goku Vs. Cell". Then Goku pulls the fucking Warp Kamehameha and I started freaking out. That's still my favorite DB technique after all these years.
Eh he took a full blast of the kamehameha and was just pissed he damaged his costume
ArchedThunder
Banned
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Toppo came out of a point blank Super Saiyan Blue Kamehameha with a few scratches and a little tear in his outfit.
Galactic Specter
Member
They really are setting up for Jiren the Gray to wipe the floor with Goku.
I like the manga version of events way better. DBS doesn't make sense, but I feel like the manga comes closer or at least tries. I still can't make heads or tails of how Goku beats Hit's timeskip in the anime if it doesn't work like the manga. I also appreciate the first new transformation in a decade isn't a complete one-off throwaway that is mostly ignored
ArchedThunder
Banned
He'll die though and come back next arc as Jiren the White.
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Toppo came out of a point blank Super Saiyan Blue Kamehameha with a few scratches and a little tear in his outfit.
Would you expect different when Kaioken kamehameha didn't kill Bergamo ?
angelic
Banned
Is this argument still going on? It's not power level, it's enlightenment level. The show has been banging on about it since the Future Trunks saga, Gowasu and Zamasu visiting civilisations and then 1000 years in the future to see how they've evolved. That's their job as gods, to raise up the universe, only Universe 7 took a much more hands off approach compared to the others (which was a great callback I thought), hence being lower level. Goku just confirmed it for the tenth time this episode. He wasnt saying he's a bad person, only that he's very simple. That's what works for him, in some cases you need a simple, pure person, Goku's innocence has been the catalyst for just about every major event in the show.
That's why the Zenos are a reflection of Goku (and why they like him so much), they are required to be pure to do their job. Anyway, what Goku meant this week was that he was lowering the level by being simple, but he has a son that is raising it by being a great fighter, enlightened, but also one who studies and looks after his child (unlike Goku, who isn't exactly the model parent).
But yeah, I'm taking it as enlightenment level of the universe, and nothing's changed my mind yet.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
I thought that was when Tien/Piccolo did it? Can't remember if it's a con on Buu's ability as well. I thought it didn't.
ArchedThunder
Banned
He was using Goku's power and he collapsed afterwards, Toppo was totally fine.
NeonZ
Member
They mentioned his power being split when Buu split into a Gray Buu and himself, but no one ever commented on those smaller Buu clones that popped up a couple of times.
He was also breathing hard while Goku was smirking. And this is after Goku fought someone else and Toppa tried to crush him.
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Lord Virgin
Unconfirmed Member
Doubt Goku went all out tbh.
Hmm, Buu's whole thing is weird to me. He absorbed some Kai's and got weaker/whatever. Damnit Toriyama!
It's only awefu because people keep pushing that it has nothing to do with power, which isn't completely true. Using Beerus is also laughable since he didn't even know a mortal level existed.
Again, he was surprised at how much of an upgrade SSB was and didn't have time to prep, literally caught his breath after the quick assault and then taking that blast to the face. It came off more that way to me at least that he wasn't expecting THAT amount of increase from SSB.
As for the kamehameha, compared to the one Bergamo took, which tore his clothing, fried him, causing him massive amounts of pain and eventually causing him to collapse, this one was even more powerful than that, even causing Beerus and Whis to comment on how Goku's gone overboard with this one and feared that Goku had killed Toppo.
That's why Goku was smirking, here's a guy who just took an even more powerful SSB kamehameha and just brushed it off and was more angry at his clothing being ripped on the shoulder. Who then started to power up.
There's nothing to suggest power has anything to do with it though.
Infinite Justice
Member
Then he hears afterwards there is a another Guy who is way stronger.
He literally saw Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan just a few minutes ago with the Kaioken to boot. How 'off-guard' could he be?
Goku used a Kaioken Kamehameha against Bergamo, while Toppa only got a base Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Kamehameha. Regardless of size, it was weaker unless Goku's power as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan went up 2x since he fought Bergamo.
Goku was smirking because he was having fun. Even then, he still didn't used the Kaioken until Toppa powered up.
Zen'o was impressed by Gohan's fight since he didn't think mortals from low universes could be that strong. If it was just int or civilization that determined mortal level, that statement doesn't make sense since brainless brutes can be extremely powerful.
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