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Anthony Mackie on MCU Crossover with Marvel TV: "It Wouldn't Work"
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Nobody reads comics, so they wouldn't know better.
AlfonzoPalutena
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I just want someone from Agents of Shield that isn't Coulson to appear in a movie after the show is over. That's not hard at all
They do refer to Avengers 1 as "the incident" in the shows though. They also reference Thor in Daredevil and Hulk in Iron Fist.
I think they are clearly in the same universe, but no crossover is necessary really with MCU beyond that.
Team Filler
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This shit really annoys me. I appreciate a nice ass as much as anyone, but I'm just really tired of seeing so many promo shots and posters/covers deliberately do this with their female leads.
DangerMouse
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Yeah, I'd like to see it. Though I thought we'd get at least a scene or two of them fighting some mooks in one of the movies at one point back when the crossovers were more heavy and as Coulson being alive became more "public".
Also, at least Coulson, how about the heroes learning that Coulson is alive already live on screen in one of these Avengers sequels. I mean c'mon lol.
Fancyarcher
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I mean I can't say he's wrong. The TV shows and films are almost set in a specific differently timeline, so having any of the major film characters show up in the TV shows might be a little distracting / not such a great idea.
Yes, although it's not something they seem to mention specifically as it didn't impact America as the events in the original Avengers did.
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has been impacted by the Sokovia Accords from Civil War and a recent episode had a very slight Luke Cage reference.
An anti-Inhuman group tried to assassinate the Inhuman director of S.H.I.E.L.D. using one of the Judas Bullets from Luke Cage.
Bobby Roberts
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You'd be lucky to even get Coulson. Someone else brought it up in one of these threads, but considering his death was the catalyst for the group's coming together ultimately, reintroducing the character might not actually fit in those movies anymore.
You could watch every Marvel movie after Avengers and if you never watched the show you'd never know he was brought back to life at all. I bet they never bring him back into the movie fold, either.
So far as the movies are concerned - it really does seem that Coulson is effectively still dead.
And I think the important thing to take from Mackie's quote is context he's speaking publicly at a fan convention. I don't know if he's really looking to provide the most insightful of peeks behind the scenes (and above his paygrade) but the key stuff in his statement is the fact it's a different studio, and the guy running his side of things isn't at all concerned with what's going on over on the TV side.
So not only is the will not there (and it isn't) but I can't imagine the scheduling is even a thing they want to try complicating any more than it's already complicated. Plus does anyone know where in the timeline any of these Marvel shows are occurring? Are they all happening at the same time? This shit isn't even crystal clear in the individual films sometimes.
So not only do you then have to incorporate these shows (and where they are in their timeline) but you've got to build in the time for their appearance in whatever movie you're trying to sneak 'em into?
The shit was always sorta untenable, logistically.
I mean, sure, it could happen. But the question is, would the extra work needed to be undertaken to facilitate those appearances be worth it in the long run?
Even continuity addiction has its limits, I bet.
The tv shows follows the date they air.
Thanks after DD s1 I was confused as hell on the Netflix shows timeline
Can't be because Karan says 2 years have passed since the battle of NY which would place it in 2014. DDs1 didn't air till 2015
Yeah, the Netflix shows are a little unclear into the specific dates and years in which they take place. Unless later episodes of Iron Fist give dates (I haven't gotten there yet), all we really know is that DDS1 takes place in or close to 2014, as you've mentioned, and Luke Cage takes place before the current season of SHIELD. Iron Fist seems to take place in spring (petals on trees), so I'm guessing it's likely meant to be set in spring 2017.
Its like there are no newspaper on something laying around in the Netflix shows to give a definitive date except DD s1.
RoninChaos
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I'm not sure Anthony Mackie is the guy I would be talking to about this.
I don't think fans should get too obsessed with actual time lines. Yes, it might make us question small things here and there but overall, we can all pretty much just look at the Marvel shows and say, "Okay, this takes place after (insert last movie released here)."
Sometimes it might not all fit together. But that happens in comics too.
I look at the MCU in the same way I look at the comic books. The TV shows are the ongoing monthly comic books while the movies are the big yearly "event" comic such as Civil War, Secret Invasion, etc.
I don't need or expect the movies to be impacted by the TV shows. I expect the movies to impact the TV shows. Truthfully, I just want the two divisions to come together a bit more to be a bit more cohesive while allowing a big moment once in a while to make fans happy.
In my mind, this is as simple as General Ross name dropping the Inhuman outbreak in Civil War, giving even more context to the Sokovia Accords and as major as having the Netflix and AoS cast getting a moment in Infinity War Part 2 -- which honestly, would be one of those "once in a great while, if ever again" scenes in the MCU movies.
Sometimes it might not all fit together. But that happens in comics too.
I look at the MCU in the same way I look at the comic books. The TV shows are the ongoing monthly comic books while the movies are the big yearly "event" comic such as Civil War, Secret Invasion, etc.
I don't need or expect the movies to be impacted by the TV shows. I expect the movies to impact the TV shows. Truthfully, I just want the two divisions to come together a bit more to be a bit more cohesive while allowing a big moment once in a while to make fans happy.
In my mind, this is as simple as General Ross name dropping the Inhuman outbreak in Civil War, giving even more context to the Sokovia Accords and as major as having the Netflix and AoS cast getting a moment in Infinity War Part 2 -- which honestly, would be one of those "once in a great while, if ever again" scenes in the MCU movies.
SolidChamp
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Is Jessica Jones the best of these shows? I really only want to invest my time in one, and only because Jessica Jones has Krysten Ritter.
I'd probably say Daredevil, but you'll get differing opinions. People will either say JJ or DD.
Some people love JJ, others like me weren't fans. I thought it dragged on and on, and outside Jessica and the Purple Man, the characters weren't likeable/interesting.
People here, including me, really liked the first 6 episodes of Luke Cage. But almost everyone agrees the final 6 episodes fall flat. Huge tonal shift.
Iron Fist is a mixed bag. It's not good... some would argue its not bad. Overall, it feels sloppy, rushed, slightly boring.
Mackie? His name is Clarence
It's so petty, this drama between Marvel TV and Marvel Studios. They both know how rabid fans are for this shit. Just even a mention of a guy running around Hell's Kitchen in a red devil suit during Spider-Man Homecoming would get some folks aroused. If it ain't happening in Homecoming, it ain't happening period. Spidey's the closest the movie heroes will ever get to street level like the Defenders, everything after in the movie-verse is so grand in scale and so far removed from that stuff.
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I'd say if you only watched one, it'd be a coin flip between Daredevil season one or Jessica Jones. You're walking away having watched something amazing either way.
L4DANathan
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I think it makes sense that the shows reference the movies more than the movies reference the shows, but I definitely think there should be SOMETHING in the movies. It particularly bothered me that in Civil War, the general going on about how vigilante-ism cannot be tolerated didn't even mention all the vigilantes popping up in New York. All I would have asked for is during his monologue that the sentence "And your actions have inspired more than a few copycats in New York." or something along those lines.
firehawk12
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They should have done the DC thing and separated the two (or three) universes.
MugiwaraCole
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That's literally the opposite of verbatim.
I'm aware 🙄😂 the bit I wrote was definitely said, but I knew there was a few words said beforehand that I couldn't remember, so I was being lazy since I ain't wanna look it up lol
That's not really a flaw on Marvel's part. It's intentional. The public's hate of mutants is supposed to be irrational in that regard, since mutants are pretty much a walking "race" metaphor. They hate Nightcrawler because he was born that way, but love Steve Rogers because he wasn't? Bigotry isn't supposed to make sense.
Not to mention, plenty of superheroes that aren't actually mutants get mistaken for mutants all the time and are subsequently hated. If the word gets out that they aren't a mutie, people love them, which, again, is irrational.
I get what you're trying to say here, but I disagree. Re-introducing Coulson to the Avengers would be pretty easy. Hell, it'd even make narrative sense given what we know about Nick Fury. These are movies and shows based on comic books, after all. It'd all just depend on the execution.
Jessica Jones > DD Season 1 > Luke Cage > Daredevil Season 2(Punisher Arc) > Daredevil(Rest of season 2) > Iron Fist
Agents of SHIELD > all
Mammoth Jones
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This. Motherfuckers making enough green off these shots to make it happen. Stop bullshitting lol.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Unless Marvel TV suddenly isn't under Ike, it can't.
Razgriz-Specter
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That won't make a difference
Arrowverse is completely separate and thats the best A-listers get in there(except Arrow and Supergirl steal villains from their superiors)
Unless you need a stunt to bring people back in and to a different channel
HP_Wuvcraft
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Fucking seriously.
We've already got:
- Nick Fury
- Colbie
- Jamie Alexander
- that other Asgardian was reeled in by "Odin"
- Thor references every other episode
- Asgardians in general
- Hell, the entire fucking Avengers are referenced constantly
- episodes that deal with the most recent movie
- the Kree
- "Enhanced"
- uh, fucking HYDRA being the main villain of every season
Will Falcon ever been in the MCTV? No.
But is crossover possible? Yes.
Also Deadshot is dead because a movie is out even though no one will be confused
Razgriz-Specter
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They killed Amanda Waller in the dumbest way for that shit.
I might put Luke Cage after Daredevil S2, but this is otherwise pretty accurate.
old manatee
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It doesn't even make sense on its face. Who could you even watch TV and movie at the same time.
Abilidebob
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That so many people here consider JJ to be the best or one of the best Marvel Shows just makes me nauseous. Did they watch the entire season or just skipped to every Kilgrave part?
And brought back on Earth 2 as a cop
BRUH IT WAS SO FUCKING DUMB UGH
Watched the entire season, I mean, being the highest rated Marvel Netflix show has to mean something
Abilidebob
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Who knows. I kinda want to know what goes through the head of someone that thinks "Yep, this terribly paced show, where every single character is a bumbling idiot, filed with bad acting, bad dialogue and a lack of direction sure is better than DD S1". I mean, I can't comprehend it. I even enjoyed some parts! The first episode especially was full of tension, you could feel her fear(and later anger) at Kilgrave, while his subtle control over everything was shown.
Then every single subsequent episode was just getting worse and worse and worse. The cat and mouse game got old way too fast, and the subplots barely made sense.
CocaMantis
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I mean...they already interconnected the shows and the MCU with several cameos, references and shit. A complete crossover could easily be done. The only problem I see (besides legal and bureaucratic stuff) it's the difference in tones between those worlds. Daredevil and Punisher are a fucking gore-fest compared to any Avengers film. And it's not a huge deal, I'm being nitpicking AF trying to see what's the huge deal behind the whole "No, I'm sorry it can't be done".
Picture the next escenario: In the last Avengers movie, Thanos comes to Earth with an army and takes over several places. You can have Black Panther and his friends fighting in Wakanda, the Guardians someplace else, Captain Marvel flying around with Thor and Tony and The Defenders fighting in NY. That's it. A 2 minute cameo would do the trick. Is that so hard?
Picture the next escenario: In the last Avengers movie, Thanos comes to Earth with an army and takes over several places. You can have Black Panther and his friends fighting in Wakanda, the Guardians someplace else, Captain Marvel flying around with Thor and Tony and The Defenders fighting in NY. That's it. A 2 minute cameo would do the trick. Is that so hard?
Razgriz-Specter
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Logan, Deadpool and the X-Men show this isn't an issue at all.
A story that takes place way in the future and may as well be part of a seperate trilogy
A one off story about an asshole who curses and chops up shit
And a show that has almost nothing to do with X-Men movies?
Exactly. That line of reasoning has never made sense. Different mediums can, in fact, have different content levels. Just because Kingpin decapitated someone with a car door doesn't mean that they can't make him equally as threatening picking up Spider-Man with one hand and throwing him across the room. Your X-Men example perfectly encapsulates that it is, in fact, possible to share characters between media of different age ratings without soccer moms throwing a fit, as is the other line of reasoning often applied to this situation.
It's all trickle down though right? MCU ---> MTVU. It's always the TV shows with little tidbits from MCU not the other way around. I mean Phil Coulson came from the movies. Almost like the TV universe is saying hey please notice me Senpai but the MCU is saying I don't give a fuck about you but keep saying my name!
They have not really announced a season 5 yet and with Inhumans some say it may be the last season. Rating seem to be good enough for another but who knows? With that said and scheduling it seems increasingly difficult.
At this point saying it would't work is like saying no and there allowed. Arguably with the success of MCU nothing is really owed but it would be a nice gesture. The more films that get made the harder it will become especially with Thanos coming unless they have something up their sleeve.
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