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[Ruff]

I think being in the FF franchise would limit YT's creativity. He's better off having control of his own world I think rather than working for a series that already has its own set of of expectations and established fanbase..

Plus YT could never ever get away with the 90% of the stuff in Automata if it were in a FF game.

 

[snow in jamaica]

I hope Drakengard 4 is nothing but Oblivion glitches set to The Rite of Spring.

 

[SliceSabre]

Oh and despite another friend calling me a super scumbag for doing it, I recovered my sacrificed saves from the PS+ Cloud and finished the game again and purchased all the trophies.

So now I have my second plat trophy ever, my Estival Versus trophy now has a friend.

 

[Ruff]

I'm really going to get annoyed in the future how many times I hear people stopping at ending A and hating the game for being incomplete. I see why PR added the message but even so people just think "Oh I don't want to do the exact same thing twice" *sells on ebay*

 

[Baalzebup]

It's kind of delicious irony that the people the message is really for are the ones most likely to ignore or miss it and then go "is that it?" No one in the Taro-club would assume that seeing the credits once would mean you're done.

 

[DrunkShogun]

I think being in the FF franchise would limit YT's creativity. He's better off having control of his own world I think rather than working for a series that already has its own set of of expectations and established fanbase..

Plus YT could never ever get away with the 90% of the stuff in Automata if it were in a FF game.

Final fantasy holds too much significance for square to give Yoko full permission to go crazy. Best thing we can hope for is a better budget and let Yoko do his own thing. Hope the producer saito sticks around because he seems to be yoko taros best supporter.

 

[darkwing-buck]

It's kind of delicious irony that the people the message is really for are the ones most likely to ignore or miss it and then go "is that it?" No one in the Taro-club would assume that seeing the credits once would mean you're done.

It's fun to see the reactions of A's bare bones ending.

 

[OniBaka]

Trying to play on hard and intro is kicking my ass.

 

[Ubernube]

I actually am curious where exactly can the Drakengard/Nier series go from here barring remakes or remasters of previous games. It honestly feels like Automata would be a damn good spot for the series to end as a whole, what with it having the first happy ending and all. Yoko seems to avoid making the lore of the games become actual games themselves, likely because it'd be difficult to make it approachable to newcomers like how Automata is, so I suspect we won't ever get a game about fighting the legion or things like that.

I wouldn't mind if Yoko simply decided to create a new series, because quite frankly the crazy bastard would likely still find a way to attach it to Drakengard and Nier anyways.

 

[Papercuts]

Someone please tell me you can't get ending E offline.

 

[Ruff]

Someone please tell me you can't get ending E offline.

You can if you're a Touhou god

 

[Papercuts]

You can if you're a Touhou god

I mean there's no AI helpers or anything right? I think it's really important for there not to be.

But if that is true then the first couple of people who sacrificed their saves are the real MVPs.

 

[Ruff]

I mean there's no AI helpers or anything right? I think it's really important for there not to be.

But if that is true then the first couple of people who sacrificed their saves are the real MVPs.

Yeah no there's no messages or help if you're offline. But I'm sure the first few people didn't have to do it with no help, there's gotta be some backup CPU players on the network.

 

[saturnine]

I actually am curious where exactly can the Drakengard/Nier series go from here barring remakes or remasters of previous games. It honestly feels like Automata would be a damn good spot for the series to end as a whole, what with it having the first happy ending and all. Yoko seems to avoid making the lore of the games become actual games themselves, likely because it'd be difficult to make it approachable to newcomers like how Automata is, so I suspect we won't ever get a game about fighting the legion or things like that.

I wouldn't mind if Yoko simply decided to create a new series, because quite frankly the crazy bastard would likely still find a way to attach it to Drakengard and Nier anyways.

It seems obvious to me that Taro Yoko has little interest in making actual sequels expanding on a continuous story. His games do share a world, but the relations between each stories are really strenuous. He even literally said that he considers N:A a standalone game in an interview. It's more of a Zelda sort of thing, where the chronology is so stretched as to become meaningless. You have small references and side materials that are a fun way to fill the blanks, but they're not really the point.

The real link between his games, so far, is the commentative nature of their stories, be it on the state of videogames with Drakengard 1 and 3, or human nature with NieR and N:A.

You're right in that even an entirely new series would probably link back to his previous games, because their links are essentially meaningless. I mean, NieR was a sequel to a joke ending and Drakengard 3 a prequel that managed to not actually lead to the original game.

 

[darkwing-buck]

A2's heavy weapon taunt is like the best thing ever.

 

[Baalzebup]

How many confirmed YoRHa survivors are there beyond the dynamic trio if we go by ending E? There are 4S in the castle, the two E-drug junkies at the oil pond and the one random YoRHa soldier at the oasis. Know of anyone else?

 

[darkwing-buck]

How many confirmed YoRHa survivors are there beyond the dynamic trio if we go by ending E? There are 4S in the castle, the two E-drug junkies at the oil pond and the one random YoRHa soldier at the oasis. Know of anyone else?

Possibility theirs one or two on the moon protecting the server.

 

[Moaradin]

Is it impossible to get 95% unit data for the reconnaissance quest before getting ending C and D? I'm in route C right now, and I've pretty much scoured the entire world in all routes and I'm still only at 80% unit data. Trying to get everything I can before going in The Tower.

 

[Nightengale]

Pretty sure all YoHRa but the trio ultimately died. The survivors probably ends up dying off-screen while we're doing the final mission.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Forget about project gestalt, Emil, Devola & Popola, the fake library, the weapon stories.

The truest reference to the original NieR

is this.

I think my favourite reference to the original game is the fact that eagle eggs are all over the place.

 

[YoRHa No.2 Type B]

In case you want to know this aswell:

So, I experimented a bit and noticed that +8 chips with Diamonds are not the best.
Don't bother with them seriously. Let's take Drop Rate Up for example.
It caps at 90% and since you want to use other chips aswell, you would want the lowest costs possible.
So take a look at this:
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+8 Minimum Cost [21] Drop Rate 90%

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+7 Minimum Cost [17] Drop Rate 80%
+0 Minimum Cost [4] Drop Rate 10%
= +7 & +0 Minimum Cost [21] Drop Rate 90%
---------------------------------

+6 Minimum Cost [14] Drop Rate 70%
+1 Minimum Cost [5] Drop Rate 20%
=+6 & +1 Minimum Cost [19] Drop Rate 90%
---------------------------------

+5 Minimum Cost [11] Drop Rate 60%
+2 Minimum Cost [6] Drop Rate 30%
=+5 & +2 Minimum Cost [17] Drop Rate 90%
---------------------------------

+4 Minimum Cost [9] Drop Rate 50%
+3 Minimum Cost [7] Drop Rate 40%
=+4 & +3 Minimum Cost [16] Drop Rate 90%
---------------------------------

As you can see +4 & +3 chips with diamonds is the best setup you can achieve, as you get 90% at the cost of 16,
where any other setup will get you above 16.

It's almost for every chip that way. I think there are a few exceptions.

 

[snow in jamaica]

I think my favourite reference to the original game is the fact that eagle eggs are all over the place.

Only took thousands of years for them to cough up those eggs!

 

[ramyeon]

Feels good getting the Plat in this (Didn't end up buying any trophies either!) I don't bother to trophy hunt in many games. Only other game I've done it for was Bloodborne.

 

[IbukiLordSA]

A2's heavy weapon taunt is like the best thing ever.

They missed the opportunity with bare fists, those should have had the best taunt. So yeah agreed with heavy weapon taunt.

 

[Jeffrey]

Was there ever a lore explanation for the online other player corpse and what happens with ending e?

 

[Christhor]

Question. So how come the commander was let in on the humans being extinct and there only being a human server on the moon? At first I thought it made sense since she was pretty high up, all things considered, but the fact that she doesn't know about the backdoor or YoRHa's eventual fate doesn't make much sense to me. They didn't tell her about the backdoor to make sure things went as planned, keeping up the con they've got going on with the human server, but they trust her enough to tell her about the human server for... what reason exactly?

 

[Joe Molotov]

Question. So how come the commander was let in on the humans being extinct and there only being a human server on the moon? At first I thought it made sense since she was pretty high up, all things considered, but the fact that she doesn't know about the backdoor or YoRHa's eventual fate doesn't make much sense to me. They didn't tell her about the backdoor to make sure things went as planned, keeping up the con they've got going on with the human server, but they trust her enough to tell her about the human server for... what reason exactly?

The commander had to make sure androids like 9S didn't find out too much, and then presumably there were other higher ups (the SS-ranks) making sure the commanders didn't find out too much. A hierarchy of secrets.

 

[Ruff]

Question. So how come the commander was let in on the humans being extinct and there only being a human server on the moon? At first I thought it made sense since she was pretty high up, all things considered, but the fact that she doesn't know about the backdoor or YoRHa's eventual fate doesn't make much sense to me. They didn't tell her about the backdoor to make sure things went as planned, keeping up the con they've got going on with the human server, but they trust her enough to tell her about the human server for... what reason exactly?

She may have agreed with the "noble" cause of protecting androids from their own despair as long as the war still seemed winnable. Knowing that they were all predestined to lose and dying needlessly through countless wars may have been asking too much.

Who knows to be honest, I'm sure they could have made a commander that follows orders without fail.

 

[Eumi]

Question. So how come the commander was let in on the humans being extinct and there only being a human server on the moon? At first I thought it made sense since she was pretty high up, all things considered, but the fact that she doesn't know about the backdoor or YoRHa's eventual fate doesn't make much sense to me. They didn't tell her about the backdoor to make sure things went as planned, keeping up the con they've got going on with the human server, but they trust her enough to tell her about the human server for... what reason exactly?

Telling the commander humanity doesn't exist means she can help keep that a secret for the good of android moral.

Telling her that we're going to murder you and everyone you care about the minute you start to win the fight you've dedicated your life to would do nothing but make her likely to rebel.

 

[Christhor]

But the reason 9S found out the truth was because of the document talking about it directly to the commander. Without it he would have had no way of finding out about any of it, with the exception of the tower later on.

That does bring about another question, you guys are probably right and that's the actual intended reason, but does that mean that 2B know about the truth? It doesn't seem like the commander is telling her to kill 9S whenever he gets closer to the truth, at least not the couple of times it happens as we're playing.

 

[Baalzebup]

I decided to fuck around with the debug mode a bit just for fun, and after tripping a while in the city with the wireframe mode activated (check it out in the city ruins, it is kind of surreal in its own way), I decided to use it to see what, if any, assets were present at trollish locked doors with the apologizing, sudoku-committing robot. You can see the mesh for the elevator shaft and another door under the ones we can see, but nothing else at all. Not even a hint of any "ground" or anything at all, beside the elevator shaft and second door.

 

[Arkeband]

I decided to fuck around with the debug mode a bit just for fun, and after tripping a while in the city with the wireframe mode activated (check it out in the city ruins, it is kind of surreal in its own way), I decided to use it to see what, if any, assets were present at trollish locked doors with the apologizing, sudoku-committing robot. You can see the mesh for the elevator shaft and another door under the ones we can see, but nothing else at all. Not even a hint of any "ground" or anything at all, beside the elevator shaft and second door.

lol I forgot all about this, those elevators really never do anything?

 

[LotusHD]

The pods are the real heroes of the story, are you really going to betray them by just buying their trophy?

Yes.

A2's heavy weapon taunt is like the best thing ever.

Best (playable) protagonist in this game:

 

[Baalzebup]

lol I forgot all about this, those elevators really never do anything?

There is literally nothing there for them to do.

 

[Gotchaye]

I just assumed that the SS classification stuff was information that the machines organizing the thing had access to. I never got the impression that there was an android above the Commander. I mean, we know that it was machines who built the first Yorha androids; there was that thing about recycling machine cores for them because making them like new machines would have been inhumane given that the plan was to destroy them eventually.

My sense was also that 2B didn't know anything about what was going on. Early on she gets very firmly established as someone who follows orders no matter what. At most she's been told about some warning signs to keep an eye out for in 9S, but it's possible that she just periodically gets ordered to kill him or let him die. In retrospect the regularly-scheduled check-ins that 9S gets from command via phone and email seem like their way of trying to gauge whether he's nearing the end of his useful life.

 

[Ruff]

But the reason 9S found out the truth was because of the document talking about it directly to the commander. Without it he would have had no way of finding out about any of it, with the exception of the tower later on.

That does bring about another question, you guys are probably right and that's the actual intended reason, but does that mean that 2B know about the truth? It doesn't seem like the commander is telling her to kill 9S whenever he gets closer to the truth, at least not the couple of times it happens as we're playing.

What's weird is that the intel that the commander can access that prompts 9S to question the Commander about humans explicitly mentioned the backdoor, but the intel about the backdoor and the disposal of Yorha is above even her level. You'd think she'd wonder wth it was.

 

[Eumi]

I just assumed that the SS classification stuff was information that the machines organizing the thing had access to. I never got the impression that there was an android above the Commander. I mean, we know that it was machines who built the first Yorha androids; there was that thing about recycling machine cores for them because making them like new machines would have been inhumane given that the plan was to destroy them eventually.

My sense was also that 2B didn't know anything about what was going on. Early on she gets very firmly established as someone who follows orders no matter what. At most she's been told about some warning signs to keep an eye out for in 9S, but it's possible that she just periodically gets ordered to kill him or let him die. In retrospect the regularly-scheduled check-ins that 9S gets from command via phone and email seem like their way of trying to gauge whether he's nearing the end of his useful life.

I'm pretty sure the machines didn't create YoRHa since the machines only learned about YoRHa in the stage play. Androids created YoRHa using machine cores because they didn't feel comfortable using android AI tech to create people that were all designed to be murdered.

There are definitely androids above the commander, but they aren't important. The machines had the SS classified stuff from hacking into the bunker, but originally it would have been correspondence between the machines who created YoRHa.

Of course they could all be dead by now. The pods seem to be the ones responsible for cleanup so they could be all that's left.

 

[Baalzebup]

^^ I agree with Eumi. I saw no indication that the highest authority on the android side and the machine collective were actually in cahoots with each other or that one was under the control of the other. It was merely that YoRHa as an organization was established to create the lie of the Council of Humanity to keep the android fighting morale up and to perform further R&D for the next generation of fighting androids, while the machine collective, fully aware of the shit that their enemies were up to in general, let plenty of that shit slide because, as Jackass mentions in her report, the machine collectives wonky logic demands that they will never actually try to win the end game of the war.

I also believe that 2B was aware of the council being a lie and some other stuff, because the reporting to the bunker and such is still done 'manually' as far as we could see. 9S was even able to decide whether or not to sync their data with the bunker which spared him and 2B from the initial outbreak of the logic virus. I believe she was merely very faithful to the command structure despite her love for 9S and compliantly executed him any time she deemed that he had learned too much.

 

[Anung]

Does anyone know what chapter the Emil side quest takes place? I want to just use chapter select to jump to it.

 

[AlucardGV]

Does anyone know what chapter the Emil side quest takes place? I want to just use chapter select to jump to it.

you can do it after you meet him in the mall so you can do in the chapter after that one. i did it in chapter 7-1 or 7-2

 

[Anung]

you can do it after you meet him in the mall so you can do in the chapter after that one. i did it in chapter 7-1 or 7-2

Thanks a bunch! Just triggered it there.

 

[Beef]

Clocked in about 15 hours for Route A, did some of the side quests per Neogaf suggestions. Overall really enjoyed the combat, character progression and atmosphere of the game. Started Route B and I'm just not compelled enough to play through the same story again. Really sad about a number of the open world aspects and hiding a huge amount of content behind a second play through. I feel like my time is not being valued. Sincerely would have liked to play Route C but I'm just not willing to trudge through ~6 hours to get to it. Is there a video floating out there with route C cutscenes?

 

[meltingparappa]

Clocked in about 15 hours for Route A, did some of the side quests per Neogaf suggestions. Overall really enjoyed the combat, character progression and atmosphere of the game. Started Route B and I'm just not compelled enough to play through the same story again. Really sad about a number of the open world aspects and hiding a huge amount of content behind a second play through. I feel like my time is not being valued. Sincerely would have liked to play Route C but I'm just not willing to drudge through ~6 hours to get to it. Is there a video floating out there with route C cutscenes?

Route B has much less overlap with Route A than you might initially expect. Plus you can fly by it if you only do the story missions, then even faster if you set the difficulty to easy and alternate between throwing spears on small enemies, and hacking the beefier ones.

Watching the route C cutscenes undoes a lot of the elements that can only be done in a videogame.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

I actually am curious where exactly can the Drakengard/Nier series go from here barring remakes or remasters of previous games. It honestly feels like Automata would be a damn good spot for the series to end as a whole, what with it having the first happy ending and all. Yoko seems to avoid making the lore of the games become actual games themselves, likely because it'd be difficult to make it approachable to newcomers like how Automata is, so I suspect we won't ever get a game about fighting the legion or things like that.

I wouldn't mind if Yoko simply decided to create a new series, because quite frankly the crazy bastard would likely still find a way to attach it to Drakengard and Nier anyways.

I wouldn't mind the "NieR: Subtitle" name being used for branding purposes but honestly I hope that his future games don't have anything to do with Drakengard or NieR beyond the expected Easter eggs and references. Both of the series' plots have been more or less concluded in a satisfactory manner, in my opinion.

 

[Levito]

If anyone's interested, myself and several others did a spoiler filled podcast for Automata here. Several panelists are RPG Site staffers.

We talked about Endings A through E along with a ton of side content.

 

[Eumi]

I wouldn't mind the "NieR: Subtitle" name being used for branding purposes but honestly I hope that his future games don't have anything to do with Drakengard or NieR beyond the expected Easter eggs and references. Both of the series' plots have been more or less concluded in a satisfactory manner, in my opinion.

I'd take a full on sci-fi space opera Nier game set after androids manage to revive the human race from replicant data.

The alien aspect of Automata was underplayed and I wouldn't mind Taro exploring it more.

 

[Christhor]

I wouldn't mind the "NieR: Subtitle" name being used for branding purposes but honestly I hope that his future games don't have anything to do with Drakengard or NieR beyond the expected Easter eggs and references. Both of the series' plots have been more or less concluded in a satisfactory manner, in my opinion.

He still needs to make Drakengard 4 with the little hero and Michael the cowardly dragon. It needs to be made.

 

[SliceSabre]

The pods are the real heroes of the story, are you really going to betray them by just buying their trophy?

I sure as hell did.

 

[ThatChairMan]

That final Emil boss fight. Goddamn, the laughing and crying was too much to take.

 

[snow in jamaica]

I wouldn't mind the "NieR: Subtitle" name being used for branding purposes but honestly I hope that his future games don't have anything to do with Drakengard or NieR beyond the expected Easter eggs and references. Both of the series' plots have been more or less concluded in a satisfactory manner, in my opinion.

How do you "conclude" Drakengard?