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More Sony Spider-Man spin-offs: Black Cat and Silver Sable
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He can, Sony just needs to put the work in.
Baron von Loathsome
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It seems like they're trying to do a Spider-Man Cinematic Universe but without Spider-Man.
Frozenprince
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Well shit.
You did it Slay, Silver Sable got a movie
(A shit one but hey)
You did it Slay, Silver Sable got a movie
(A shit one but hey)
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
You can just taste that Sony Pictures desperation in the air. I'd kinda hoped the Marvel deal would stem all this crazy offshoot shit from being given the go-ahead to stop polluting the brand but I guess not.
spyroflame0487
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Sony seems to be trying everything they can before the franchise collapses again. They wanted to do this with Amazing, and now they have ...how many Spidey sequels ready, plus Venom and now Black Cat and Silver Sable.
Those two should be in one movie and I think there'd be an interesting opposing forces thing going on there.
tbh really all Spidey needs is Intro movie (in this case, Homecoming), find out more about the world building (ie, either bring in things from the netflix shows like Daredevil or at least Fisk; build more on some of the other rouges like Ock, Gobby etc) and then lead up to a third movie with Sinister Six.
Those two should be in one movie and I think there'd be an interesting opposing forces thing going on there.
tbh really all Spidey needs is Intro movie (in this case, Homecoming), find out more about the world building (ie, either bring in things from the netflix shows like Daredevil or at least Fisk; build more on some of the other rouges like Ock, Gobby etc) and then lead up to a third movie with Sinister Six.
torre_avenue
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Gee, I wonder how 20-something Felicia Hardy will find a way to be romantically involved with 16-year old Peter Parker. My money's on them using the Ultimate version of their relationship as the basis for that.
Yea he can, but you gotta do the ground work. If done right plenty of people would go see a Venom/Carnage movie.
Green Mamba
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This kind of crap is going to keep Venom, Black Cat, and Silver Sable out of future Spider-man films, isn't it. :/
Nobody wants a Spider-man cinematic universe without Spider-man, Sony, eff off with this stuff.
Nobody wants a Spider-man cinematic universe without Spider-man, Sony, eff off with this stuff.
Manmademan
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au contraire. one of the best spider man stories in YEARS has no spider man in it.
exactly. Did people forget Deadpool started off as a cookie cutter villain for X-Force?
exactly, there's a massive gaping hole at the center
I'm a little shocked they aren't making a non-MCU Miles Morales movie to center these around
WhiteRabbitEXE
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So wait...
What?
So this is a separate universe from the MCU (and thus Spidey)?
What?
So this is a separate universe from the MCU (and thus Spidey)?
au contraire. one of the best spider man stories in YEARS has no spider man in it.
And the odds of Sony Pictures coming up with anything even half as good as that book are exactly zero.
I can't believe people are skeptical of Sony continuing to pump out attempts at a Ghostbusters franchise when they are so clearly desperate for a cinematic universe of any kind.
Manmademan
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I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at.
Are you saying that NOT tripling down on a bad franchise and making ASM3 around the sinister six with andrew garfield is "fucking up?"
I would argue the opposite.
that's the thing. they don't NEED to come up with anything "half as good as the book" because the book is right there, they own the rights to all characters and could film it tomorrow.
COULD you do a film franchise around Spider-Man's supporting cast? Yes. Easily. In a second.
Is Sony smart enough to actually mine the properties they own for what works, rather than doubling down on what will no doubt be an absolutely terrible Venom film? Probably not.
you want people to care about D-listers like Black Cat and Silver Sable? You go the "Superior Foes" route, THEN spin them off into their own little movies if they work. It's one of the few things that made sense about suicide squad.
Unspeakable Evil
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Do what ever you want Sony >.>
Yes! I'm all for this. Run with it Sony!
ElBoxyBrown
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au contraire. one of the best spider man stories in YEARS has no spider man in it.
exactly. Did people forget Deadpool started off as a cookie cutter villain for X-Force?
Deadpool had multiple ongoings expanding his lore and a huge fanbase by the time the movie was made.
F0rneus
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This is their bargaining chip for MCU Venom (which should happen) IMO. They'll "cancel" these projects to concentrate on bringing Venom into the MCU.
They keep trying to do certain films way too fast. Sinister Six, Silver Sable, Black Cat
It can be argued a Venom film can work, but that's it.
serenewarfare
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You really think Feige is a bad enough negotiator (especially from a position of advantage), that he'd be played by Rothman of all people?
Please no. That would be awful. I need Venom done right in the MCU.
Silver Sable and Black Cat would be a little easier than Venom to work out a solo treatment for, so I'd be tentatively ok with that idea. I could only see solo Venom, in a world presumably without Spider-Man, in one of two ways: a) skip classic Venom altogether and just proceed straight to Agent Venom; or b) have it be a Venom-Carnage flick with the pair of them bonding to their respective psychopaths and have them feud with differing plans on how to deal with humanity.
All of the above could potentially work, they just need to put the effort into them. Given Sony's most recent forays into the franchise...I'm not going to hold my breath.
But hey, at least we're not getting the Vulturess.
All of the above could potentially work, they just need to put the effort into them. Given Sony's most recent forays into the franchise...I'm not going to hold my breath.
But hey, at least we're not getting the Vulturess.
broncobuster
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Glass Rebel
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If there's one superhero that can have their own cinematic universe, it's Spider-Man.
If there's one film company that can't set up their own cinematic universe, it's Sony.
If there's one film company that can't set up their own cinematic universe, it's Sony.
Silver Sable is the one tru Spidey Waifu.
High tech armor dude
Urban demographic
Fantasy style
Spidey got something for everybody baby
We still doing this bullshit? I expected better than this from you
Manmademan
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Deadpool became popular pretty much immediately when marvel rebooted the character from generic mercenary to whatever the hell he is now.
There are any number of similar characters to mine under the spider man franchise that COULD be breakout stars in the same vein IF you put the work in to develop them and get audiences to care.
Keep in mind that the broader market doesn't read comics and the nearly $800 million Deadpool brought in at the box office was from people who had never heard of the character nor read about him.
edit: even better example: Guardians of the galaxy went from triple Z list "who the fuck is this" to one of the most bankable properties Marvel has, because the property was given to people that gave a shit about the property and put the work in.
*sigh* Just when I get excited about Spider-Man being the MCU I remember that Sony still hold Spider-Man movie license, I really wish that they didn't and just sell the right back to Marvel as Sony just doesn't get Spider-Man, never have and never will.
That's because Sony was more interested in heavily setting up the next movies and advertising their product than actually make a coherent Spider-Man movie.
There was a reason why Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't preform well and why Sony ended up jumping in bed with Marvel to get Spider-Man into the MCU.
That's because Sony was more interested in heavily setting up the next movies and advertising their product than actually make a coherent Spider-Man movie.
There was a reason why Amazing Spider-Man 2 didn't preform well and why Sony ended up jumping in bed with Marvel to get Spider-Man into the MCU.
Pilgrimzero
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I used to drive a silver Sable.
Also used to read the comic. Silver Sable and the Wild Pack.
Also used to read the comic. Silver Sable and the Wild Pack.
……forgetit
Member
So is their a dart board of Spiderman characters in a Sony exec's office and they just see what they get to keep their slate from looking barren? No way half of these movies actually get made.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Deadpool was not niche is all I'm saying.
Unspeakable Evil
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Not surprised Sony is doing this. Marvel wouldn't make it for them.
Escape Goat
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Nobody wants a Silver Sable movie.
The Silver
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What the fuck there's gonna be a Silver Sable movie and I still don't have Thunderbolts?
Next you'll tell me there's gonna be a movie about Gamb-----oh.....oh no..........
Next you'll tell me there's gonna be a movie about Gamb-----oh.....oh no..........
Sectorseven
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What about the Aunt May origin story they were working on?
I do
Silver Sable doesn't have super powers, other than being queen of a country.
The one that revealed that Peter is really her bastard child, that her married sister adopted?
ElBoxyBrown
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The majority of DP fans knew him from merchandise than comics. He sells backpacks, figures, stickers, buttons, shirts, etc. They knew the face before the character. Now he runs the world.
Manmademan
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yep, swing and a miss. Nice try though.
The amount of deadpool comics and merchandise is completely insignificant next to that box office gross, and your explanation does nothing to explain what happened to GoTG which had neither an ongoing comic nor any merchandise. The deadpool movie audience weren't fans to begin with- they BECAME fans through strong marketing and word of mouth that the movie was good.
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