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Politico on Trump's terrible deal making with Trumpcare.
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Dash_Riprock
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Fascinating read. It seems that for the first time in his life, Trump actually has to negotiate, and surprise surprise, he's been found wanting.
Why do I have the feeling we could have Trump being led away in handcuffs and there would still be people like you screaming "Don't celebrate! This might be part of some master plan!"
Why do I have the feeling we could have Trump being led away in handcuffs and there would still be people like you screaming "Don't celebrate! This might be part of some master plan!"
Electric Eye
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Have u seen his shitty desk at trump tower? The big clue into how detached he was from any real wok was the piles of newspaper and magazines and not even a laptop or desktop. Just sits there eating taco salads.
GoldenEye 007
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The extreme levels of narcissism and pride within the GOP is turning out to be quite a solid benefit.
Who's man is this?
Rentahamster
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Not necessarily. But that's not the question you asked me. You asked me if he's ever been successful at stuff.
Over-propose, negotiate back. Shoot for the stars, hit the moon.
My list is a direct answer to your direct question. If you're asking me if it's all part of some master plan, then no, not necessarily. However, is the alternative explanation that he's just some idiot who bumbled his way into all those wins?
I'm going to repeat myself again, just as I did all last year and the year before: Don't get cocky, kid.
Rentahamster
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Trump being taken away in handcuffs would obviously be bad for him. You presume too much.
To be fair, if I were a congressman and President Cheeto was demanding I pass whatever just to help him get reelected 2 months into his presidency, I'd tell him to fuck off, too.
GoldenEye 007
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No, I agree. Narcissism on the part of Trump and pride on part of the GOP. A perfect recipe for max embarrassment and neutered ability for destruction.
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So now Trump will make them write a bill based on the FC's demands I assume. What are the chances it wouldn't pass?
Are you the guy spamming the Star-Advertiser comments with "No one here REALLY cares about the immigration ban"?
GoldenEye 007
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It won't pass. Because the window to get a simply majority in the Senate is gone. And then the next opportunity to bring this up is 2018. An election year.
FC is too extreme. Moderate GOP would get destroyed for taking away coverage and protections.
Rentahamster
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That would not be me, no. I prefer letters to the editor or opinion pieces.
Blood Diamonds
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an interesting thread completely derailed by some dude seeking attention. sigh.
In what universe was the AHCA an example of "shoot for the stars?"
I'd say the majority.
Yekshemesh
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6th-dimensional flinging shit at a wall.
Rentahamster
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More moderate solutions that come out in the future look better just by being compared to that piece of shit.
How About No
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Shoot for Mexico, land on the American taxpayers
Dash_Riprock
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Happens every time.
It wasn't even his proposal. He just glommed onto it like a moron, because he thought it would make him look good.
More people voted for Hillary.
FrenchMovieTheme
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well yeah, when you make statements like that to get a reaction you're going to get a reaction. Trump is an absolute fucking clown who has no idea what he is doing. Even if he had any idea what he was doing (and again, it can't be more anymore clear that he literally doesn't understand how the vast majority of government works) he has no desire to put in the time and effort. so it's not premature at all to call a spade a spade. Trumps "gameplan" is to run the country as a business, and as you see so far it is failing miserably and will continue to fail miserably.
it is such a stark contrast from obama, who will go down as the greatest president most of us will have ever lived with.
And even more didn't bother to vote.
LiveFromKyoto
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I think there's ample evidence that his mental RAM tops out at 140 characters.
rokkerkory
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Best negotiations
The more moderate solution that the emboldened HFC will sink?
A new bill that will die in a Senate filibuster?
Basileus777
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Actually it's more like the taint from the AHCA will infect any future attempts at healthcare reform from Republicans. This was their best (and maybe only) shot to get it done.
Captin Quacker
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I'm sure the freedom caucus will love that
There is no need to be cocky, the court system has spoken. As have his fellow republicans. He isn't over proposing, or shooting for the stars. Lets stop the buzzwords, and use factual definitions of what is actually happening. Hes proposing illegal actions, hes straight lying to people and having them pay taxes for a border wall. or hes begging people to vote for something so he doesn't look bad. I asked specifically if his inability to get anything done, speaks to a master plan. (in a thread about the presidents latest failure) Which was in response, to you. You're discussing the OP. Which is about the presidents inability to negotiate. Inherently if hes president, he has won the presidency. Which has nothing to do with actually getting a plan executed.
You are correct, a list of his previous history doesn't supplement the idea that there is a plan in the works. There isn't one. Just like the GOP couldn't come up with a healthcare alternative in almost a decade. They've won, but no one seemingly planned to do so. His poor vetting also suggests this.He isn't an idiot, he just isn't qualified to be president, and he has surrounded himself with people who don't have american interests as their focus. He is a self proclaimed billionaire, that has no idea how to run the country. Thats the sole take home from his actions which speak louder than all of his words. Hes good at bouncing back from a bankruptcy or two, but that doesn't make him capable of getting things done in the white house. Which would be hard to do, as he is taxing us millions to not even be at the whitehouse.
This is why its absurd when people seemingly suggest that there could be some strategy here. If this is what strategy looks like, its not going to work in the White House. And its going to run counter to the quality of life and stability of Americans.
Rentahamster
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Would you disagree with the notion that he had a plan to win the presidency? That he had a strategy to win?
The Chosen One
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Trump enjoyed the first two weeks when he could play little emperor with a bunch of symbolic executive orders.
But it's clear Trump doesn't have the stamina, discipline, or competence to spear-head major legislation through Congress and get a buy in from the American public.
He barely put in 3 weeks of work toward Healthcare and when he went on the road, he just went to a crowd friendly state and did a rehash of his 2016 campaign speech, devoting barely 30 seconds to selling healthcare.
It's clear, he won't be able to do anything that can't be passed quickly. Republicans are going to wake up tomorrow and realize they have a headless party with no leadership, despite controlling all levels of the government. Some people considered Paul Ryan the defacto leader of the party but after this healthcare fiasco he's now toothless. Republicans in Congress are now a House of Cats. It's going to be extremely difficult for Republicans to pass major bills going forward.
But it's clear Trump doesn't have the stamina, discipline, or competence to spear-head major legislation through Congress and get a buy in from the American public.
He barely put in 3 weeks of work toward Healthcare and when he went on the road, he just went to a crowd friendly state and did a rehash of his 2016 campaign speech, devoting barely 30 seconds to selling healthcare.
It's clear, he won't be able to do anything that can't be passed quickly. Republicans are going to wake up tomorrow and realize they have a headless party with no leadership, despite controlling all levels of the government. Some people considered Paul Ryan the defacto leader of the party but after this healthcare fiasco he's now toothless. Republicans in Congress are now a House of Cats. It's going to be extremely difficult for Republicans to pass major bills going forward.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I don't think there's a single experienced campaign operative who would ever describe Trump's campaign as organized or strategic. He was a beneficiary of circumstance unless he somehow strategically made Clinton collapse at the 9/11 memorial or Comey send his letter.
GoldenEye 007
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Yup. Tax "reform" and border wall are basically stillborn at this point. Infrastructure isn't getting a trillion bucks either.
Oh, geez it's almost like being a buisnessman and running the most geopolitically and economically important county in the world are two different things.
To be entirely fair, there is plenty of blame to go around, and the failure of the bill lays equally on Ryan and Trump. The article goes into this, though the section on Ryan isn't nearly as fascinating, largely because Ryan is a policy wonk bad at legislating, which is pretty boring compared to the 5 year old trying to drive a manual that is Trump.
I'd say no. Sounds like you're just saying random stuff. This is already a far cry from your original statement anyway (Americans are stupid). As someone else pointed out.. More people voted for Hillary. Low turnout isn't necessarily indicative of stupidity and definitely not evidence to support your original post.
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Karsticles
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As in "this will make you want to leave Earth".
EatinOlives
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In no reality can this be spun as a positive or stepping stone for something better. Do you want to know what an actual stepping stone is? Going back to the drawing board on this and continuing to work on the bill with the rest of his party and the healthcare professionals. It involves working on it through the weekend and give it another go on Monday, if not the following week, or the following month. Because you see, bills that aren't voted for are never a definitive no, it can easily be modified and worked on for an indefinite amount of time. And worst case scenario the bill quietly recedes to the shadows as it's being worked on. Obama worked on the ACA and constantly changed it until TWO YEARS later it passed.
Trump gave up on this, his campaign promise, in 60 DAYS. Not even put it on the back burner as legislators continued to work on it, he fucking pulled the plug on his own bill because he just got bored and he failed at convincing anyone and didn't wanna work on it anymore. Nobody's gonna listen to this clown on this or any other major legislation the entire rest of his presidency, because congress in his own party just shit on his campaign-promise legislation and will suffer no consequences for it. Dude's a fucking joke, and there's no upside to this at all for him.
When trump is our president, it's ok to generalize Americans as dumb.
Laevateinn
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Someone told Trump to shoot for the stars so naturally he thought of the most talented reality star he knew and shot his own foot.
I responded to this in my previous responses to you. Do you want me to just say that he had a plan to win an election so you can continue responding to the rest of what I said, or was this your only response?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that we are in agreement that his presidential win, doesn't speak to his ability to get things done, post election. Which is what started this entire exchange. I thought when you said that the items you listed doesn't mean that he necessarily has a plan, and that you were listing his successes because you were under the impression I said that he was never successful in his life, was just that. But now, him winning an election is significant again?
And we are still back to the point of a list of failures speaking to a strategy of illegal action, poor vetting, and lying to his voters about paying for a border wall, etc, etc. is some how shooting for the stars, or over promising?
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