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Does it? Freeza was already around and running things when Gokū was born, and... that's pretty much all we know, I believe.
He was deemed a "galactic overlord" when he enrolled the Saiyans, and that was prior to Vegeta's birth. That'd be quite the accomplishment, for a toddler, heh ?
On top of that, we have seen him at various points in time, and his appearance had never changed. Now, generally, that wouldn't qualify as proof that his aging is slower than humans necessarily ("maybe he only ages internally"), but if we consider a lot of the other examples in Dragon Ball outside of Bulma's parents (and we omit Super entirely because of inconsistent chara designs and it's late to the party), and
especially the aliens, chances are, his aging is much slower.
Plus, Vegeta often points out that Saiyans age slowly because they are a warrior race. Frieza, with his incredible feats, could fit that description.
So no I don't believe for a second that Frieza has "human longevity".
You also have to consider that his dad is older and still in optimal physical condition. ("But maybe he ages internally" ....)
Sure, but I would imagine Cold and Freeza being insanely powerful individuals was a major reason for the scope of their empire at the time of the series.
One does not prevent the other. I never said his ancestors were on the same level or that they had the same reach. I just said, off their behavior while facing Bardock and the aliens, they seemed used to getting what they wanted smoothly. We have seen many times how even the weakest "fighters" were able to overpower entire planets. With more power, they obviously got bigger ambition. But that doesn't mean they weren't starting their empire. That thirst for power definitely ran in the family.
(Oh also, you know, Chilled said he was the strongest around... it's entirely possible that still makes him a weakling, but he's the number 1 weakling !)
Nothing was implied at all, really, when that was first mentioned. We were just given numbers about the "worth" of the inhabitants of those universes, and that was it. I'd say the mixed signals come after that.
Well, goody for us we passed "the first time" we heard about it. It was a blank state, an empty canvas, it could have gone either way. Adding information to that isn't sending mixed signals. It's orienting viewers towards an answer. The information given did not contradict itself and it was never stated or implied to be about power. If you felt different about it, too bad I guess ? I've been stating this opinion for a while, and not just me, so I guess people see what they want to see. To me, the show laid it out pretty clearly.
Ah, I had forgotten about that. I don't know that I'd agree that it shouldn't be hard for him, of all people, to immediately infer what that ranking is about, but point taken.
It was literally stated to him though, he first said "who, me ?!" then he understood and said Bergamo was going too far. He got what the criticism was about.
Still not sure why they'd bring that up again this week though. Are they worried about their team being too dumb to win the tournament (a tournament that's literally said to be about power, incidentally *cough*)?
???
Did you like, skip half the episode ? What happened to them refusing to take Goten and Trunks, stating it's
precisely not all about power ?
... Yes, which is why I didn't ask anything about that?
You were playing dumb and pretending to have trouble differentiating the two cases so I felt forced to spell it out, to make it as clear as possible.
Before the events of the series, you mean? Sorry, I don't remember that...
I meant he destroyed all the Kaioshins, that might be just 4 people, it was still 4/5 of that world's population
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If you meant specifically where it took place, I guess in the manga, it's not stated where they fought. But since the Shin panel was expanded in the anime, and they placed it in the kaishinkai, it can be assumed it took place there. Doesn't quite matter.
Man, Shin really is shit at his job, isn't he? "Rookie" doesn't even begin to describe it, when you put it alike that. Especially if you think this has been going "for many generations".
"My stance is that I only intervene if the threat is so powerful I probably won't be able to actually do anything about it."
Wow you gotta be on to something !
Imagine if U7 ended up being one of the worst of all universes !!
You're assuming Shin hasn't created new worlds to make up for the ones destroyed by Buu. But since it would take millions of years before intelligent life would manifest itself, the fruit of his labor can't be witnessed yet. Or maybe he hasn't done anything and he's
the absolute worst.
Also, Buu was about revenge, and about preserving the entire universe. Two birds one stone. And he
could do something about it. Since he knew about the seal, he waited for the opportunity.
Buu is pure chaos and despair, evil incarnate, and an unstoppable power, that directly caused the extinction of the kaioshins.
Frieza was not a threat to the universe, Frieza wanted to rule over an empire.
Frieza and the Saiyans probably took some planets that were not inhabited in the process too.
But yes, Kaioshin is inexperienced, he doesn't know any better. He doesn't stop evil or greedy people. They have their free will. Their life span. Miracles happen.
He let things run their course. Animals eat each other too, there's goal, purpose.
Remember saiyans were out for months, if not years, while getting the planets.
So basically, Frieza was expanding his empire slowly, then had a huge growth with the Saiyans, which took down the number of intelligent worlds quite a bit, but he exterminated the saiyans shortly after that.
So that probably stopped or slowed down his growth. He still had his troops and Vegeta obviously, but it had to be slower.
But the cherry on top is Beerus not doing his job at all, so Shin was not helped here.
If Frieza went too far, Kaioshin might have stepped in. We don't know. It's also probably the first time he was confronted to something like that, so he took his time.
Frieza wasn't responsible for most of the worlds to die since Buu took care of that, he just exacerbated the problem.
Kaioshin had no idea about "mortal rankings" though, and as a somewhat immortal being, he wasn't in a rush to stop Frieza right now.
Are you sure? I thought the date was more or less derived from the fact the sealed Boo was hidden on Earth "before Earthlings could stand on their two legs" or something to that effect?
I don't remember the manga saying anything about how much time passed between the Kaiōshin being defeated and Boo being sealed...
Is it really?
EDIT: The Daizenshū timeline apparently files all that (Earthlings beginning to walk on two legs, creation and sealing of Boo) under "5 million years ago".
It's stated several years passed between the release of Buu and him being sealed, and he destroyed many worlds..
I'm guessing they didn't want to be specific about it, and gave a general time frame (because that's what Shin said first, before adding more details). You know it started around 5 million years ago, starting to give precise years probably would have been overkill.
Well, if, as you seem to be arguing, he exterminated most of the universe's sentient species...
It's not that simple. Frieza wasn't trying to destroy the galaxy, he was building an empire, and trying to make profit off weak planets.
On top of that, he is mortal. But I explained what I think about it above.
I know, right?
Kewl.
... Wut?
Quick recap:
* I pointed out that if, as you were saying, Freeza's business was responsible for the loss of most sentient species in the universe (in a relatively short amount of time), you'd think Shin would have intervened like he did for Boo.
* You replied that it was different for Boo because, among other things, Boo threatened the gods.
* I said that I didn't recall anything about Boo having threatened the gods before the events of the series (not in the manga, anyway). I always assumed Boo was destroying worlds here and there, the Kaiōshin (instead of just frolicking like idiots in their Kaiōshinkai as that went on) went "whoa, better do something about that guy" and they got their asses kicked. Which is why (and I'm going back to the beginning of that exchange... see, that is relevant!) I would expect Shin to step in if Freeza was indeed responsible for some kind of universe-scale mass extinction.
And I said this was irrelevant, because Buu's very existence threatens the gods and everything they stood for. Everything they ever created, that is good or evil, is being obliterated, and on top of that Buu's power is beyond their limit. It has nothing to do with Frieza where they could get rid of him instantly if things went too far (as long as he didn't train ~).
So yeah, whether Bibidi went there to kill them like in the anime, or not, and they just stepped in, it doesn't matter at all. Therefore it's irrelevant.
Also it's only "universe scale" because of the saiyans recruitment and the fact that Buu reduced the universe dramatically already.
And since Beerus had asked Frieza to get rid of planet Vegeta, maybe that's why Kaioshin didn't do anything ? (just throwing that as random possibility)
"Definite no to Goten and Trunks, but you know who would be good? Master Roshi"
I mean, after how they handled Buu, I wouldn't trust these brats either.
Goku saw them fight, he knows they want fun over anything else. Even when all their friends had been murdered, they felt like playing volley. Too risky.