I didn't even really want to say my age because now it's just become all about that but I didn't know how else to show properly that I didn't get the connection between the two things.
I wasn't the one who chose it. I'd have preferred something else but me not having a say in it was part of the condition for me using this site.
I mean, are there any statistics on how many people of our generation really buy into it? My impression is that it's not really that many; it's just that they tend to be loud.
Overall, millennials are the most liberal generation in recent memory. Part of the entire strategy conservatives have used with the demographic is to rely on the "oh wow, a conservative millenial!" reaction, as if they're so rare that they're nearly unicorns.
Uh... Didn't we just settle that any racist doesn't think they're racist? Well, especially but-racists do that.Because they know they are racist.... and indulging that all these people might not be is exactly what gives I'm not racist but any power.
Yes, no one likes being told they're behaving badly and engaging in racism. That's true. It's why it's so frustrating when so many people make excuses for them, because it allows them to keep believing they did nothing wrong. It's why JonTron is so baffled: he's got a ton of people telling him he's not really racist, and yet every time he tries to defend the same idea, he gets called racist.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, particularly in cases where the racism is clear and unambiguous, not only tells JonTron that he doesn't need to change, it tells people of color that they aren't worth defending.
Uh... Didn't we just settle that any racist doesn't think they're racist? Well, especially but-racists do that.
You're right, you shouldn't indulge it, you should also explain why.
Sure, that's fine. John's response to that has been to laugh condescendingly and respond that he can't even tell us what all his views are because they might be "incriminating" and then he goes on to whine that he doesn't have terrible views, he just wasn't expressing himself well.
He's a man who's trying to suss out just how much freedom he has to spread his shitty racist opinions. Sadly, there's an audience for it, and they're easy to serve because their zealous hunger makes them happy to compromise on every other quality.
wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
He caused a PR shitstorm for a successor to one of his favorite game's of all time mere weeks before release. His presence really fucked them over since Playtonic would be catching fire either way with their decision.
wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
damn. and he's probably laughing all the way to the bank too
damn. and he's probably laughing all the way to the bank too
His voice acting was presumably an unpaid gig and offered to him because he has a big following on Youtube.
If I were in his shoes I would feel very very shitty about all of this. It is one thing to get kicked out of the game and another to personally be causing a ton of grief to people he probably considered his heroes.
honestly if he actually cared about the game and Grant Kirkhope as a friend he would have already made a statement asking people defending him to step the fuck off and that the developers don't deserve this shit.
Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:Again he literally used an article that explicitly says the opposite of what he claims as proof of black people being genetically more criminal...
Destiny isn't even a "social justice guy" and he did try to see Jon's POV and what we got was more racism... what we got was a video released a week later doubling down.
As to why of all things him being a gamer means he should get the benefit of the doubt is beyond me...
Bluntly you are just making excuses for him...
How many times have you heard:
"I'm not racist but..."
You're right, you shouldn't indulge it, you should also explain why.
He was being racist but he might not be a racist.
wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
There is zero fucking difference.
When you say a racist joke, you are being racist.
Certainly baffles me when the go-to tactic becomes "Yeah but he didn't do it out of malice, he's just misinformed!" First off, I'm not entirely sure that there's such a thing as an "informed" racist. Second, whether or not there's genuine hatred and malice doesn't mean the person's not being racist. There's no requirement that you have to INTEND to be racist to be considered racist.
I mean Jon did not personally sic his fans onto Playtonic as "payback", if that's what you're referring to. Alt-right fuckwads act this way on their own volition.
You mean when you say a racist joke, you are a racist.
Yes.
Humorously exploiting a cultural prejudice for no other reason than humor is racism.
Yes.
Humorously exploiting a cultural prejudice for no other reason than humor is racism.
Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:
- His tendency to tune out what a video game is actively trying to draw his attention to so that he later finds himself stuck and wastes a ton of time when he should have just read the damned cut scene (Seriously, he did this so many times on Game Grumps and it drove me fucking nuts).
- His penchant for breaking into song. It sometimes gets a little too cringey for my liking.
I see this recent "debate" as the result of him buying into a point of view he had too much confidence in despite his best intentions, like everyone does all the time. When your only options are "with us" or "against us", that doesn't leave a lot of room for understanding, negotiation or compromise.
And I didn't mean to imply that being a "gamer" allows you extra privileges. I'm just saying that there are things I have in common with the guy. We have shared experiences that we value and choose to draw attention to. I don't want to throw that away because he got heads where I got tails in the social justice lottery and there is no middle ground, apparently.
I think the whole debate is unnecessarily polarizing because its foundation is based on drawing an uncrossable line between people. Its fundamental goal is trying to find the worst possible words to describe your opponent. That's not an environment that's conducive to a healthy exchange of ideas.
Also, for the record, I'm still super-psyched about Yooka-Laylee. I have been looking forward to its release since I backed it on Kickstarter and I can't believe it's a few short weeks away. I'm certainly not going to let any of this shit affect how I experience the game. I feel bad that Playtonic felt they had to take a stance on this, but I'm willing to let their work stand on its own merits.
Also, for the record, I'm still super-psyched about Yooka-Laylee. I have been looking forward to its release since I backed it on Kickstarter and I can't believe it's a few short weeks away. I'm certainly not going to let any of this shit affect how I experience the game. I feel bad that Playtonic felt they had to take a stance on this, but I'm willing to let their work stand on its own merits.
You feel bad they had to take a stance against a racist?Also, for the record, I'm still super-psyched about Yooka-Laylee. I have been looking forward to its release since I backed it on Kickstarter and I can't believe it's a few short weeks away. I'm certainly not going to let any of this shit affect how I experience the game. I feel bad that Playtonic felt they had to take a stance on this, but I'm willing to let their work stand on its own merits.
What debate is there? He says racist shit. People don't want to be associated with a racist. Not much of a debate.Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:
- His tendency to tune out what a video game is actively trying to draw his attention to so that he later finds himself stuck and wastes a ton of time when he should have just read the damned cut scene (Seriously, he did this so many times on Game Grumps and it drove me fucking nuts).
- His penchant for breaking into song. It sometimes gets a little too cringey for my liking.
I see this recent "debate" as the result of him buying into a point of view he had too much confidence in despite his best intentions, like everyone does all the time. When your only options are "with us" or "against us", that doesn't leave a lot of room for understanding, negotiation or compromise.
And I didn't mean to imply that being a "gamer" allows you extra privileges. I'm just saying that there are things I have in common with the guy. We have shared experiences that we value and choose to draw attention to. I don't want to throw that away because he got heads where I got tails in the social justice lottery and there is no middle ground, apparently.
I think the whole debate is unnecessarily polarizing because its foundation is based on drawing an uncrossable line between people. Its fundamental goal is trying to find the worst possible words to describe your opponent. That's not an environment that's conducive to a healthy exchange of ideas.
Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:
- His tendency to tune out what a video game is actively trying to draw his attention to so that he later finds himself stuck and wastes a ton of time when he should have just read the damned cut scene (Seriously, he did this so many times on Game Grumps and it drove me fucking nuts).
- His penchant for breaking into song. It sometimes gets a little too cringey for my liking.
I see this recent "debate" as the result of him buying into a point of view he had too much confidence in despite his best intentions, like everyone does all the time. When your only options are "with us" or "against us", that doesn't leave a lot of room for understanding, negotiation or compromise.
And I didn't mean to imply that being a "gamer" allows you extra privileges. I'm just saying that there are things I have in common with the guy. We have shared experiences that we value and choose to draw attention to. I don't want to throw that away because he got heads where I got tails in the social justice lottery and there is no middle ground, apparently.
I think the whole debate is unnecessarily polarizing because its foundation is based on drawing an uncrossable line between people. Its fundamental goal is trying to find the worst possible words to describe your opponent. That's not an environment that's conducive to a healthy exchange of ideas.
https://twitter.com/MKupperman/status/845782302357700609wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
So Dave Chapelle is one big racist under that logic.
Great post.
honestly if he actually cared about the game and Grant Kirkhope as a friend he would have already made a statement asking people defending him to step the fuck off and that the developers don't deserve this shit.
But alas, he's probably using it as a pity thing before he eventually releases a patreon and banks.
Also, for the record, I'm still super-psyched about Yooka-Laylee. I have been looking forward to its release since I backed it on Kickstarter and I can't believe it's a few short weeks away. I'm certainly not going to let any of this shit affect how I experience the game. I feel bad that Playtonic felt they had to take a stance on this, but I'm willing to let their work stand on its own merits.
Dave Chappelle goddamn left comedy for a while because people were getting the wrong messages from his skits.
Dave Chappelle goddamn left comedy for a while because people were getting the wrong messages from his skits.
I think it muddies the issue anyway. It doesn't matter if the person saying the racist thing is a racist or not. The thing they said is still racist and that has consequences regardless of their intent.That is why I feel a little uncomfortable with the proclamation that anyone that says anything that can be construed as racist IS a racist. Especially when you are dealing with comedians...
This entire situation is absurd, and Yooka-Laylee shouldn't suffer because they said, I don't want to associate with this person anymore.
I think it's kind of weird that the things that bother you most about JonTron are related to how he plays video games and not shit like "Black Lives Matter is a criminal organization" or "immigrants dilute the gene pool."Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:
- His tendency to tune out what a video game is actively trying to draw his attention to so that he later finds himself stuck and wastes a ton of time when he should have just read the damned cut scene (Seriously, he did this so many times on Game Grumps and it drove me fucking nuts).
- His penchant for breaking into song. It sometimes gets a little too cringey for my liking.
I see this recent "debate" as the result of him buying into a point of view he had too much confidence in despite his best intentions, like everyone does all the time. When your only options are "with us" or "against us", that doesn't leave a lot of room for understanding, negotiation or compromise.
And I didn't mean to imply that being a "gamer" allows you extra privileges. I'm just saying that there are things I have in common with the guy. We have shared experiences that we value and choose to draw attention to. I don't want to throw that away because he got heads where I got tails in the social justice lottery and there is no middle ground, apparently.
I think the whole debate is unnecessarily polarizing because its foundation is based on drawing an uncrossable line between people. Its fundamental goal is trying to find the worst possible words to describe your opponent. That's not an environment that's conducive to a healthy exchange of ideas.
Calling JonTron a comedian is giving him too much credit
I think it muddies the issue anyway. It doesn't matter if the person saying the racist thing is a racist or not. The thing they said is still racist and that has consequences regardless of their intent.
I think it's kind of weird that the things that bother you most about JonTron are related to how he plays video games and not shit like "Black Lives Matter is a criminal organization" or "immigrants dilute the gene pool."