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Playtonic removes JonTron from Yooka-Laylee.
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You've got good parents that care about what you're doing online. I'd say it's important to talk to your teachers and read up on the books and material they have, and make sure to read and interact with people of different backgrounds and race instead of just your own.
Eh, I've always thought it a bit pointless to try and assign political spectrum off age. Some of the more hardcore conservatives are the young Nintendo fans
Uh... Didn't we just settle that any racist doesn't think they're racist? Well, especially but-racists do that.
I agree. Labeling him as a racist is accurate and appropriate.
Explaining why, regardless of how stupid the idea is, furthers that cause.
So thanks for that
excelsiorlef
Member
Sure, that's fine. John's response to that has been to laugh condescendingly and respond that he can't even tell us what all his views are because they might be "incriminating" and then he goes on to whine that he doesn't have terrible views, he just wasn't expressing himself well.
He's a man who's trying to suss out just how much freedom he has to spread his shitty racist opinions. Sadly, there's an audience for it, and they're easy to serve because their zealous hunger makes them happy to compromise on every other quality.
I think you're right.
He hasn't even tweeted to guide his fans and there's been quite a lot going on, in terms of internet youtuber shit.
TheProphet
Banned
wow. is jontron to blame for this entire mess?
excelsiorlef
Member
He caused a PR shitstorm for a successor to one of his favorite game's of all time mere weeks before release. His presence really fucked them over since Playtonic would be catching fire either way with their decision.
TheProphet
Banned
damn. and he's probably laughing all the way to the bank too
Yes.
Worst part is if you browse around the net, you'll find people telling you it's GAF's fault this happened. What a joke.
TheAggroCraig
Member
I'd be shocked if he was laughing, if anything I'd assume he'd be upset over the whole thing.
His voice acting was presumably an unpaid gig and offered to him because he has a big following on Youtube.
If I were in his shoes I would feel very very shitty about all of this. It is one thing to get kicked out of the game and another to personally be causing a ton of grief to people he probably considered his heroes.
Admiral Woofington
Member
honestly if he actually cared about the game and Grant Kirkhope as a friend he would have already made a statement asking people defending him to step the fuck off and that the developers don't deserve this shit.
But alas, he's probably using it as a pity thing before he eventually releases a patreon and banks.
But alas, he's probably using it as a pity thing before he eventually releases a patreon and banks.
He has an echochamber of sycophants; I'm sure he could care less now that he's the center of attention.
CannonFodder52
Member
Yea, I was really hoping he would do that.
Honestly, there are two things that bug the shit out of me about JonTron:
- His tendency to tune out what a video game is actively trying to draw his attention to so that he later finds himself stuck and wastes a ton of time when he should have just read the damned cut scene (Seriously, he did this so many times on Game Grumps and it drove me fucking nuts).
- His penchant for breaking into song. It sometimes gets a little too cringey for my liking.
I see this recent "debate" as the result of him buying into a point of view he had too much confidence in despite his best intentions, like everyone does all the time. When your only options are "with us" or "against us", that doesn't leave a lot of room for understanding, negotiation or compromise.
And I didn't mean to imply that being a "gamer" allows you extra privileges. I'm just saying that there are things I have in common with the guy. We have shared experiences that we value and choose to draw attention to. I don't want to throw that away because he got heads where I got tails in the social justice lottery and there is no middle ground, apparently.
I think the whole debate is unnecessarily polarizing because its foundation is based on drawing an uncrossable line between people. Its fundamental goal is trying to find the worst possible words to describe your opponent. That's not an environment that's conducive to a healthy exchange of ideas.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You do realize that you're defending Jafari by saying that people say racist things, right?
I'm fairly convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about anymore, because what you wrote in context makes no sense.
There is zero fucking difference.
When you say a racist joke, you are being racist.
Racism does not require an active hate for minorities.
EatinOlives
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Certainly baffles me when the go-to tactic becomes "Yeah but he didn't do it out of malice, he's just misinformed!" First off, I'm not entirely sure that there's such a thing as an "informed" racist. Second, whether or not there's genuine hatred and malice doesn't mean the person's not being racist. There's no requirement that you have to INTEND to be racist to be considered racist.
I mean Jon did not personally sic his fans onto Playtonic as "payback", if that's what you're referring to. Alt-right fuckwads act this way on their own volition.
I mean Jon did not personally sic his fans onto Playtonic as "payback", if that's what you're referring to. Alt-right fuckwads act this way on their own volition.
It wasn't well thought-out what I said.
You mean when you say a racist joke, you are a racist.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Jon didn't do it personally, but lord knows that out of anything that has happened he should be more proactive in stopping this if he loved Rare as much as he pretends, because these guys are actively going out of their way to try and sabotage the game/studio.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Yes.
Humorously exploiting a cultural prejudice for no other reason than humor is racism.
"Oh look at me! I'm white/etc. but I'm not racist but I'm making a racist joke as if I were! Isn't that hilarious?"
Are all comedians that do race jokes racist?
-I'm not referring to john here.
We treat it differently when people think your intention is humour.
OniBarubary
Banned
People will literally trip over themselves to defend a person saying horrible, horrible shit but as soon as the fans of a game or performer or YouTuber or anything start acting like complete and utter sacks of shit NOT A ONE OF THEM will come forward to say "cut that shit out"
Like, it makes me fucking sick. It's not alienating your fanbase even if they're pieces of shit because fuck doing the right thing if it costs you money.
Jontron, come out and say "Please do not harass Playtonic for this" Boogie. Total Biscuit. Fucking one of you who decided to chime in on this.
Like, it makes me fucking sick. It's not alienating your fanbase even if they're pieces of shit because fuck doing the right thing if it costs you money.
Jontron, come out and say "Please do not harass Playtonic for this" Boogie. Total Biscuit. Fucking one of you who decided to chime in on this.
So Dave Chapelle is one big racist under that logic.
There's a line between humor and belief. The case of JT here is about a belief he has about that 'gene pool' shit.
excelsiorlef
Member
Again you're just making excuses and I have no idea what social justice lottery is... you aren't born racist...
And yes when it comes to racism there is in fact no middle ground...
Also, for the record, I'm still super-psyched about Yooka-Laylee. I have been looking forward to its release since I backed it on Kickstarter and I can't believe it's a few short weeks away. I'm certainly not going to let any of this shit affect how I experience the game. I feel bad that Playtonic felt they had to take a stance on this, but I'm willing to let their work stand on its own merits.
excelsiorlef
Member
Well I'm glad you won't hold them standing up to racists against them.
guybrushfreeman
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That's on Jon and no one else
You feel bad they had to take a stance against a racist?
What debate is there? He says racist shit. People don't want to be associated with a racist. Not much of a debate.
So like, did you even watch the Destiny debate? Did you check out this thread too? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352025
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Dave Chappelle goddamn left comedy for a while because people were getting the wrong messages from his skits.
My bad, I read his post too fast.
VibratingDonkey
Member
The inappropriate tags have been cleansed from the store page.
Some Valve person or robot removed the WW2 tag.
The Politics and Political ones are still there for some reason.
Some Valve person or robot removed the WW2 tag.
The Politics and Political ones are still there for some reason.
grim-tales
Member
Good point, that would be the decent thing to do if he cared about the developers and the game. But as he hasn't, it shows Jon hasnt learned anything and is just a racist dick.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This was far less of a "it could hurt our brand" deal and more of a "get the fuck out" one. Jafari was not hired. He paid for the opportunity.
Social Justice lottery? That isn't how it works. I've watched several of Jon's videos, him debating etc, and he has a big issue even acknowledging the current climate of anti-black racism. He doesn't move a single Planck, even though he knows that racism is a huge problem.
Honestly, if someone I was a fan of ever expressed views like this, consistently and doubled down on them, I wouldn't be fans of them anymore. And you shouldn't either.
He's proven, himself, that he's unsalvageable. If he wanted to know about BLM, all he has to do is send a PM to deray on twitter. If he wanted to be a good person, he would be, but he willingly chooses racism and white nationalism. This isn't an accident like bumping into someone and they fall over.
And at a certain point, when you make excuses for an abhorrent person like Jon, it reflects on yourself as well. Because it says, I don't really care if he's spewing a rhetoric that endangers and targets minorities. Like, we have famous youtubers defending jon and they didn't even watch the debates and stuff he was in and said we need to meet in the middle.
This entire situation is absurd, and Yooka-Laylee shouldn't suffer because they said, I don't want to associate with this person anymore.
Honestly, if someone I was a fan of ever expressed views like this, consistently and doubled down on them, I wouldn't be fans of them anymore. And you shouldn't either.
He's proven, himself, that he's unsalvageable. If he wanted to know about BLM, all he has to do is send a PM to deray on twitter. If he wanted to be a good person, he would be, but he willingly chooses racism and white nationalism. This isn't an accident like bumping into someone and they fall over.
And at a certain point, when you make excuses for an abhorrent person like Jon, it reflects on yourself as well. Because it says, I don't really care if he's spewing a rhetoric that endangers and targets minorities. Like, we have famous youtubers defending jon and they didn't even watch the debates and stuff he was in and said we need to meet in the middle.
This entire situation is absurd, and Yooka-Laylee shouldn't suffer because they said, I don't want to associate with this person anymore.
Most of the time when actual comedians use racism in their acts it's to subvert expectations for the sake of revealing a deeper truth, often something that would be uncomfortable to just come out and say--often something about ourselves--if it weren't diffused by humor. Very few good comedians make racist jokes for the sake of making racist jokes. And those who do are either shitty, have shitty beliefs, or have gone completely off the rails. IMO Chappelle in particular is a bad example to give of the harmlessness of racist jokes; he famously broke away from comedy partly because he felt he ended up reinforcing racist caricature instead of poking holes in it.
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I think a lot of people, unfortunately, write Dave Chappelle off. Some of his skits on the Chappelle show were cerebral in a way that flew over most people's heads. He was directly using the philosophies of Frantz Fanon in a number of sketches. There was a lot of nuance present, and it was all wrapped in absurdist, subversive comedy.
That being said, you could argue that some of his sketches were racist. I personally wouldn't argue that, I think you need a more nuanced perspective when dealing with satire, but that argument could be made. That is why I feel a little uncomfortable with the proclamation that anyone that says anything that can be construed as racist IS a racist. Especially when you are dealing with comedians...
I think it muddies the issue anyway. It doesn't matter if the person saying the racist thing is a racist or not. The thing they said is still racist and that has consequences regardless of their intent.
I agree completely! That's exactly why I clarified that I'm still really excited about the game.
Aaron Strife
Banned
I think it's kind of weird that the things that bother you most about JonTron are related to how he plays video games and not shit like "Black Lives Matter is a criminal organization" or "immigrants dilute the gene pool."
No one has said he was trying to be funny when he started talking shit. He was being serious.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
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This, point blank.
If you have to use the word "construed" to sleep better at night, go ahead. But if you make a blatantly racist joke or comment, I fail to see how you can interpret that as anything but.
This.
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